Part I With your emoticons and what not? T: :3? T: so want to try it? Yes, I'm ready to try whatever is left. Can you explain this method to me? T: so the idea is to get your thoughts going T: think about how you hear your own mindvoice The problem is...I don't really have a powerful mindvoice. Nor do I have a real one. T: try talking to yourself right now T: say to yourself 54321 T: and tell me what you hear It's my voice, but not powerful at all. Not like when I speak in real life. T: thats normal T: your tulpa will sound like that at first with their voice instead of yours T: so T: yeah I, suppose you're right. We're much the same in that regards. But I'm so lonely and sad. I just want to hear them. Sigh... T: it will get louder if you keep practicing T: do you know their voice and what it will sound like yet? T: shes sentient right? I have an idea. They are in fact sentient. Isn't it counter productive to not consider sentient anyways? T: it is but if theyre not sentient they wont have a vocality thats not parroting completely T: if theyre sentient then its fine T: can you get emotional responces from them? No. We are incapable of that. We can communicate only through thoughts. T: give me an example of you two communicating T: if shes happy do you feel happy with her No. I don't usually know her emotions. I ask her. She's usually happy. T: then whats an example of you two communicating can you hear her thoughts? We speak through thoughts like I mentined. Not really, I just pick up her language somehow. I'm not hearing anything. I'm just perceiving. T: you could just form those into words T: think of them like yourself talking Apply, voice? T: you have thoughts and you can form them into your words in your mindvoices T: just have them try to do the same T: im not even sure that the method is necessary because it seems like you are almost done with vocality It feels like I have to do all the work. T: if its just fixed I don't think they're capable of this, they haven't really tried. Only once have I heard something moderately loud. T: have her become more independent and talk a lot more How do I do that? Or....we? T: you dont hear anything with your ears yet T: their voice should be as loud as yours T: right now and before does your mind draw a blank when you think? T: the idea is to fill that T: with thoughts My mind ears? T: just have her keep talking T: its practice My mind ears cannot hear what they want right? T: if you can hear yourself thinking you can hear your tulpa T: its the same process with different voices T: and your tulpa is not you It's very true. How do I practice this method testing? T: first off i dont think you need the method right now because you can just focus on them T: but gather your thoughts T: and think of things T: bounce around if you want to T: let your thoughts run as they would T: basically zone out in thought Alright... And then what? T: but most of it not conscious What if I'm purposefully bringing forth thoughts? T: just to hear your own mindvoice first T: thats fine Do I speak while I zone out? T: just let them go out of focus T: you can speak to yourself T: but dont focus on it Let me try right now, I don't plan on taking long. It's hot as hell though. T: just hear the mindvoices T: then try to push it towards the front of your head My mindvoice? T: yours for now Or theirs? Alright. Let me do this. T: if it works you should hear your tulpas at some point I'll be right back. T: it will be faint at first but it will grow more like yours in terms of how it sounds T: you should hear a whisper of them T: thats what 2 people ive tried it with said they heard in the first several sessions Well, I certainly feel more chill. That was too short a session huh? Or not session, but attempt. Nonetheless, my voice was a little louder than usual. But not too loud. I'm still not sure how I'm going to ....move it to the front. T: thats what you should get your voice should be louder at first T: just push it towards the front T: you can physically imagine your thoughts pushing towards the front I thought I was pushing my voice to the front? T: its reverse engineering the vocality results a little because the vocality sometimes gives people a headache Or...thoughts are voice? T: your voice and your thoughts are pretty much the same thing Testing, I must leave. Can you do me a favor please... T: yes? I don't like visiting the #tulpa-forum channel too much, as I left it a while ago. I don't usually visit areas I have left. Can you appear in #tulpa-420yoloswag ? T: can i save this log btw? its good imformation for other people that have your problem and i could post it in the guide T: that channel T: i know you Who... And yes, use this log. Maybe I can re-read it someday I'm feeling upset again. if you want i can edit out your name -T No, it's fine. T: ill post a link in the guide then T: later I'll see you... And thank you. T: no problem T: . . . . Part II T: well where were we then? Pushing thoughts to the front of my head. I just tried it a bit ago for like three minutes. I'm still missing something it seems. T: do you feel a pressure? You know what! For the first time ever, yes I did begin to feel a pressure. I'm sorry I do not remember more. T: well then shall we continue? Well, I'm currently quite cozy. Yes. Yes please. T: well how much progress did you make? T: i know you got the pressure since you told me Well progress. I'd say a decent amount for my first day. Yes I did in fact feel a pressure. I just kind of keep talking while doing it. T: good just keep going that I'm feels like I'm trying to follow my voice. I can't quite reach it yet. But it leaves it's hollow trail on the gravel of my mind. *its T: and try to listen for your tulpas voice in it and remember that you shouldnt predict what it is or says just listen for something that isnt you Son of a gun. I did hear something. But I disregarded since I felt I should have focused on mine instead. They were no different than my voice though. In terms of power. Or.....VOLUME. They certainly "sound" different though. T: thats fine theyve probably been there for almost 7 months so they had time to build themselves up T: so its probably them just keep doing it and listen for them T: and have your tulpa nearby to tell you if its her I mean, I can converse with them in thoughts. Oh alright. T: THEN WHATS THE PROBLEM T: nvm The mindvoice. You understand correct? T: yes Ah haha, I thought there was confusion. T: not anymore its fine Very well...I'll keep doing this. Now a reminder before I stop. What would you say my goal is again Testing? Well in this exercise. I know my long term goal is to have talking tulpa 24/7 7 days a week. But right now...what is it I'm trying to accomplish again? T: to hear her and keep hearing her voice until you hear it without doing anything Very well. That sounds correct. I'll have to do this double it seems, but I don't mind haha. Thank you very much Testing. I have high faith in this. T: no problem Hmm...perhaps I should keep a log of this. Well of me trying this method. T: do it T: and im saving this log as well in the first one as one big log T: do you want me to edit your name? Hahhaa, yes please. Or maybe I can edit it myself. T: i was going to copy and paste this log into the one that youve seen T: ill edit your name to the one you used before Ah alright....that sounds fine too. T: you can save it as well of course if you want Yes sir. * Raina_ has quit (Quit: Bye) Hm, do you plan on coming back to this room Testing? T: if you remind me i will How do I locate you though? T: no one will mind if you come back to forum chats T: if im on you can use /msg han But don't you usually switch names? T: but only if you know im on T: im Han usually T: i am now Yes haha. Sigh...I don't really belong in the tulpa-forums though. They're different people. T: what do you mean? T: we welcome most people I'm not sure, I internally clash with a lot of the people. The problem lies within myself. I'm not too fond of the lewdness I suppose. I had other reasons too. Particularly jealousy. T: oh? T: well ill be there if you want to find me but ill be in info as well which majes it easier for you T: find me in info Very well Testing. I will. How many tulpa do you live with? T: depends what you consider a tulpa Well, I'd consider a tulpa to be a sentient being no different than us. T: it could range from one to four maybe more T: all depends ill say four for now If they do have names, they're tulpa if you ask me. T: a tulpa needs more than a name obviously T: but i have 4 That seems like a nice number. Testing, I have to go. It's been a pleasure speaking with you. I hope to see you again. Part III Good evening Han. And testing. T: hello How's it going? T: good T: are you there? Yes, why? T: have you been forcing? Hmmm...not in the past few days. But I have been using your method today. T: any improvement? I've had a headache since I did it in the morning. Somewhat... I was having a conversation with Olivia which was pretty cool. T: if you get a headache youre puching your thoughts too much Ah, is that so? Would you say the strain is good or bad? T: you want to much it just enough to feel a pressure but not get a headache thats where you want to have your pressure T: the strain is good to simulate it but a headache is bad Alrighty. T: it could probably still work under a headache but its better not to have one T: so you talked to her? T: did it work? It was not too powerful, but it was better than our usual conversations. T: or are you talking with your thoughts I have to keep at this, preferably when I don't have a headache haha. No, it was her. T: i mean her thoughts It was distinct from my own thoughts, what I was getting back. It has to be her. O: It is me silly. T: is it the same as before or did you hear her words with her mindvoice I'd say it's her mindvoice, very faint and diluted. But it's her. T: wait so shes vocal in two days from it? T: a new record woo T: lel Not quite haha. T: well keep it up T: well its close T: i think it is Yes, until I reach the point I find suitable though....I'll call it a success. I do appreciate this method however. T: many people consider their tulpa talking for the first time and their first works vocal T: stabily vocal is the idea T: the other guy got it in 4 but so far it sounds good Am I asking too much then Testing? T: what are you asking for? i have no idea T:. . . . T: . . . . Well, what I believe is necessary for me and my tulpi to grow stronger in terms of relationship. T: it is Is for them to have consistent stronger voices 24/7. T: you dont have to hear them 24-7 just whenever they want to talk with you I'd like for them to start conversations...etc.. T: often times they wont talk unless youre thinking of them T: very normal T: everywhere most hosts have it i believe but thats just a guess I know this is possible though. T: it is T: they can start conversations T: but usually its when youre thinking of them T: thats just now most people have it set up T: if you keep practicing them might be able to hear them 24-7 How is it with you and Hanyuu? T: i can often hear her whenever we want to talk or whatever T: its mostly when i think of her though T: like if im in class and im thinking strictly on the class work then i wont hear her partly because she stays in the wonderland T: if im thinking slightly about her and the class i can hear her T: but if im not thinking about her its hard for her to contact me so she stays in the wonderland T: they can bring themselves to your attention by talking to you but it doesnt always work What if you're not exactly thinking of anything? Somewhat like the method? T: then you might hear your tulpa T: if you realize youre not thinking of your tulpa you will think of your tulpa T: then your tulpa will talk if they want to That is very true. How long has Hanyuu been around? 5 days away from 5 months T: she was vocal early It is all about the mentality it seems. And the dedication. T: so thats why this method was put into use because it worked T: its not even about dedication as much as mindset T: if you have the right mindset then it should work My mind is usually foggy. It feels fatigued most of the time for no real reason. T: but you do have to work a little bit for it so yes dedication is necessary for the guide T: a lot of people are thats why they take so long to get their tulpa vocal T: what do you eat? that can affect it very easily Eat....hmm... I try to eat healthy. I'm not in bad shape at all. I take vitamin supplements. Drink ONLY water. Cereal? Yes cereal. T: if you eat fast food or greasy food like pizza that can cause that effect T: you have water with cereal? T: how does that T: ive seen one other person eat it like that T: how is it? My mom sometimes makes sandwiches in the morning. The frozen beef perhaps. T: if you dont sleep enough that can do the same thing No no, I prefer cereal and milk. T: sleeping enough can help vocality not sleeping enough can help imposition T: good thats how i thought youd eat it Haha. Hmm....I was going to impose. But I'm not quite ready for that. T: water with it just seems soggy What with my bad visualization and not hearing well. T: and shet T: but T: vocalization first then if she is then you can try imposition of course T: as otehrs have it T: others* Yeah, that really is only fair. And that way I can ask for approval. If I'm doing it "right" or whatever. T: i see That's what I believe anyways. I should probably talk with them right now too huh? T: theres no one single right way T: you can do it different ways and it be right every way T: if the goal is them bing vocal theres several ways to do it right T: being* T: but yes you should talk to them T: keep practicing Even when frustrated? T: if you dont have a headache then keep pushing T: are you frustrated still? its progress isnt it? Well not frustrated currently, just kind of impatient. T: well its only been 2 days My headache is gone, but I still feel a bit tired. Yes yes true Testing. T: your progress is fine compared to the other guys ive tried it on T: keep that in mind T: 2 days and you hear her voice so keep going Well...I have been trying other methods and junk for the past few months. T: like. . . .? But yes, I do believe this method is going to help us. T: ._. Woah....I'm not sure really. To be honest, aside from the essential guides, I never really tried out a method longer than a day. I hope to keep using this one until something happens. Something...BIG. I know it's possible. T: what big are you going for? When I created my second tulpa, I heard a loud "unf" sound in my mind. Total mind voice. T: so you have 2 tulpas and one is vocal? J: I can speak as well. Well, they can both speak in thoughts. T: then only one cant talk? But not quite in complete mindvoice. T: thats weird T: most of the time if one is vocal theyre all vocal No no. They both speak through thoughts. T: well get vocal fast T: then youre getting two tulpas vocal at once? Hm, I hope to get Olivia vocal first. Since she has been in my mind the longest. T: i see After she reaches the level of vocality I see fit, I will help Joan. Does that seem fair? T: if you get one vocal the other one will likely follow soon because youre in the mindset