vids
 
Marth trials
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IACW5mltqY
 
ledge guards with marth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s63pPeyWasw
 
Ken tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFCQIAnYUMM
 
basic ken tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmcfXVQvE9E
 
The Moon tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-dqZ93qG44
 
chaingrab breakdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnDRxZiTP-M
 
http://smashboards.com/threads/kadano%E2%80%99s-perfect-marth-class%E2%80%94advanced-frame-data-application.337035/
 
 
M2K's marth thing of beauty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_ZHTA0LJdw
 
M2K combo video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wE0q5Npa44
 
 
Marth vs Sheik Guide
http://www.meleeitonme.com/guest-article-marth-vs-sheik-guide/
 
The 20XX Counter (combo video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyNBrdKi5uk
 
Marth edgeguard fox basics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03V9XLEb-4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dAFCpnPx9A
 
 
http://www.meleeitonme.com/sharpening-your-sword-tais-marth-guide/
 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Daf_Dqod1HoMj7L26ITeUM-xKUKhfxh2vJLWOl2N0C8/edit
 
marth matchup playlists
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheShoesYoureWearing/playlists
 
Marth matchup guides
http://smashboards.com/threads/compilation-of-matchup-guides.341532/
 
 
_____Things I need to work on or learn with marth_____
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_Shit I basically have down:_
 
JC Grabs
 
Pivot JC grab
 
Wavedashes and smashes
 
edgehop dair
 
Dair in general
 
sweet spotting
 
wavedash back grab ledge
 
dash dance across the stage
 
shffl fair or double sh fair across the stage
 
up tilt dair facing away from the edge (up air from ledge onto the stage at low% leads into this)
 
Dairs at low percent to force knockdowns, at high percents as a launcher
 
_shit that I can sorta do but needs work_
 
edgehop dair
 
reverse dolphin slash
 
Drop off ledge into bair as ledgeguard
 
jump through platform, waveland, uptilt
 
jump at ledge, bair, ledgegrab
 
first hit of dancing blade as an anti-air or launcher into fsmash (might only work on higher percentage/lighter opponents, probably )
 
Ken combo
 
Pivot Fsmash
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IACW5mltqY
 
fthrow followup into fair or dair
 
uthrow followup into dair
 
shorthop fair waveland fsmash
 
Shffl Uair
 
Backthrow into dair
 
hit opponents with Uair when they've lost their jump
 
fukkin counter altay's shitty DK up B.
 
ledgedrop bair as a ledgeguard
 
Close to the ledge, facing away from it (like ~30-40% starting), Up throw, up tilt, spike
 
shorthop dair as a ledgeguard
 
wavedash back dash forward, "the pause"
 
For laggy recoveries, ledgehop dair, L cancel, spike
 
Fair into up tilt at like ~46%
 
Fthrow chaingrab spacies below 7%, before tumble hitstun
 
ledgedrop, side B, recover, fucks up their recovery a bit, especially good for spacies.
 
Edgehog, roll, reverse dolphin to ledgeguard
 
haxdash
 
_shit I don't remotely have down_
 
ledgetech
 
drop off the side of the stage, reverse dolphin recover as ledgeguard
 
low off-stage sweet spot fair into reverse dolphin
 
low offstage side b into fair or sweet spot up B
 
low up B to punish samus tether
 
fthrow near ledge into dtilt
 
shorthop dair can hit people trying to plank the ledge
 
high percentage ledge hop up air into spike.
 
not jumping until the end while recovering
 
back throw, reverse up B, do it at kill %
 
fthrow into nair
 
the very backside of the up B as it rises can be used to hit opponent offstage for a high recovering opponent from the ledge
 
ledge drop, sourspot fair, then up B to grab the ledge
 
at ~137% on spacies, back throw, 2 hits of dancing blade, grab
 
at ~71%, up air to fsmash through a platform, landing on it before the fsmash
 
fair into Dtilt pushing people off the ledge
 
edgecancel fair jump into dair
 
Fthrow near ledge, if they DI in, jump and dair
 
When facing the ledge while holding someone, pummel and let them mash out, lower angle than Fthrow
 
Ftilt versus ledge jumping opponents, spaced so I'm a full fsmash length on the stage
 
ledge attack when opponent would just barely recover to push them to their death.
 
shffl fair on shield, dash through, pivot grab
 
totally correct L cancel timing
 
When Fthrown by marth under 7%, DD away then back to counter grab.
 
tipper dash attack into up tilt
 
run off stage, reverse dolphin as a ledgeguard
 
Drop zone, jump, dair
 
On Falcon: Uthrow -> tipper connects at around 50-60-ish and is a pretty good option. Going for a fair/uair combo starter instead will usually yield similar results so you once again have a decent amount of freedom.
 
when they're low below the stage, fair, reverse upB
 
jab to cover huge spaces quickly as a ledgeguard
 
Weak hit bair
 
up throw Fsmash
 
fthrow drop zone
 
The M2K combo, sweetspot fair, reverse dolphin slash
 
Fthrow into reverse dolphin
 
Swag spike
 
shffl uair up tilt, good option coverage versus playforms, doesn't combo usually, except when launching from the ground on higher gravity characters
 
edgehop down B counter versus onstage ledgeguards
 
3rd hit downwards of dancing blade to break crouch cancels
 
up air up tilt on spacies close to the ground
 
dash attack after up tilt from the up throw chain grab, can scoop up people that get dropped
 
dash grab after dtilt
 
on fox/falco, at around 65-79% close to the ground shffl tipper up air will guaranteed combo into tipper fsmash
 
crouch cancel grab
 
jab side B illusions like always
 
dtilt after fthrow
 
not jumping out of hitstun, hanging onto the jump
 
to avoid low percent Fthrow chaingrab, DI away and buffer a spot dodge
 
low shffl Fair to catch people who sweetspot the ledge
 
 
Up throw, bair to fair works with weak hit bair and assuming there is enough hitstun to link to fair, or at least to frametrap them
 
 
 
 
http://imgur.com/a/QYBbX
 
Optimal spawn list:
 
Yoshi's: P4 best, avoid P3
 
FoD: P3 Best, avoid P4
 
Stadium: P4 or P3 acceptable, avoid P2+P3 and P1+P4
 
Battlefield: P1 best, avoid P2
 
dreamland: P1 Best, avoid P3
 
FD: P3 or P4 acceptable
 
 
 
_WD out of shield_
 
release the digital button and click it in again. Light shield doesn't work in the air
 
 
_Grabs_
 
Up throws lead into the best punishes at high percentages or low far from the edge, lead into up air or up tilt
 
Fthrow versus idiots who can't DI or at low percent into fsmash.
 
near the edge go with the throw that leads into edge guard.
 
 
_approaches versus sheik_
 
focus on dash dancing, down tilts, and grabs, remember can't crouch from initial dash.
 
if they're determined to needle camp, dodge and move in a bit, close enough that can punish needles if they try it again, but not so close as to sacrifice spacing advantage
 
 
_Neutral theory_
 
Rely on dash dances, wavedash, dtilt, grab. STOP USING SO MUCH GODDAMN FSMASH UNLESS YOU'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE IT LEADS TO AN EDGEGUARD OR KILL.
 
To beat jumpins, predict them, nair or fair in place.
 
 
_Edgeguard set play on fox/flaco_
 
Above the stage (general theory is cover one option, react to the others)
if they up B immediately close to the ledge, jump out, sour spot fair or shield breaker
 
If fox fire foxes directly at marth, fair that motherfucker
If he goes up instead, up air, up tilt, or wd back fsmash
If he goes down to the ledge, marth can cover with fair up close or just go for the usual edge game
 
for side B, just jab or WD back fsmash
 
Dtilt once to cover the low angle ledge, but then double back if they go high
 
Below the stage
 
anything horizontal to the stage, just jab, at higher percentages, dtilt illusions to the ledge
 
after the jab, move up to the ledge and counter
 
 
Fox far out below stage, fair him or bair him
 
fox beneath the stage, walk forward, counter=
 
 
 
 
______Upthrow CG flowchart against Fox____
 
Read these notes before reading the flowchart:
- All damage numbers in this guide, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are PRE-THROW percentages.
- This flowchart assumes that you have room to work with. If your opponent starts DIing towards an edge you need to be prepared to cut the combo short with a tipper or dair.
- Every follow-up in every step is reactable. There's no need to guess or read which way they'll DI.
- Pummels aren't mandatory, but they make it easier to execute the following move and the extra damage they tack on means the finishing tipper will be stronger.
 
 
1. 0 - 16%: Regular regrabs
 
2. 17 - 32%:
2a. No DI or slight behind DI: Pivot regrabs.
2b. Any other DI: Regular regrabs.
 
3.0. 33%:
3.0a. No DI: Turnaround uptilt -> regrab
3.0b. Slight behind DI: Uptilt -> regrab
3.0c. Any other DI: Regular regrab -> pummel
 
3.1. 34% (the reason it's different from 33% is that uptilt starts becoming unreliable against no DI because of its weird "not-upwards" hitboxes. If you actually get the correct hitbox, it'll still connect into a regrab, so if you feel confident that you can get it every time then just follow the chart for 33%):
3.1a. No DI: Rising SHFFL uair --> regrab
3.1b. Slight behind DI: Uptilt --> regrab
3.1c. Any other DI: Regular regrab
 
3.2. 35 - ~59%:
4a. No DI or slight behind DI: SHFFL uair -> regrab
4b. Any other DI: Regular regrab
 
5.0. ~60 - ~65%: Pummel at least once before throwing -> delayed SHFFL uair -> regrab (they should now have at least 80%, but less than 90%)
 
5.1. ~69 - ~75%: Pummel at least once before throwing -> delayed SHFFL uair -> tipper (post-tipper damage should be around 105%)
 
6.0. ~80 - ~84%: Pummel once or twice before throwing -> delayed SHFFL uair -> tipper (post-tipper damage should be around 110%)
 
6.1. ~85 - ~87%: Delayed SHFFL uair -> tipper (post-tipper damage should be around 115%)
 
7. 90+%: Either upthrow -> tipper or upthrow -> weak uair -> tipper
 
 
sheik neutral
 
    Dtilt makes it harder for Sheik to stay grounded and can lead to a grab sometimes.
    Wavedashing, walking and dashdancing are all used for regular spacing purposes.
    Dashdancing covers much more space than the other two, but it makes you unable to dtilt (unless you can pivot dtilt, which is extremely difficult to do consistently), which makes it more difficult to challenge Sheik.
    Walking is slower, but lets you do any move you want at any time, so it's a lot more versatile than dashdancing.
    Wavedashing lets you cover space faster than walking does, and leaves you with more options than dashdancing does, so it's a bit of a multi-purpose move. WD down -> dtilt is great because you can do it out of a dashdance and it's almost as fast as a pivot dtilt. WD back -> grab is a cookie cutter punish against predictable/poorly timed approaches (generally dash attack in Sheik's case).