[19:46] Okay, so for attributes you've got Strength for lifting stuff and being stronk, Dexterity for speed, initiative and ranged attacks and Constitution for hit points and Stamina points, which you spend to do more actions in a round. You've also got Intelligence for magic and smarts, Friendship for social skills and your Friendship points, and Will for your mental defenses and Sanity points. [19:46] There aren't classes, just skills. [19:46] Yeah, I figured. [19:47] Sounds good! [19:48] Ok, next. are we going to leave the skills fairly amorphous, or give a list? [19:49] Earth Ponies get +2 Str and Con, -2 Int, Unicorns get +2 Int, -2 Con and can use Telekinesis and possibly more spells later, and Pegasi get +2 Dex, -2 Will and can fly at double their walking speed, but spending all of your movement points in a round doing so costs a Stamina point. [19:50] Skills are Crafting, Fighting, Foraging, Diplomacy, Building, Stealth, Ranged and Throwing. [19:50] We'll come up with more later. [19:50] Suits me. [19:50] Ok, [19:51] Health system is the one I mentioned in the original PUF thread, hit points for all your limbs, your head and your torso (and your horn and wings if you have them). [19:51] Ok, so, dice. Standard 4d6 for stats? [19:51] Sure, why not. [19:51] With bonuses along the same lines, then. [19:51] Actually, they're kids, they're not going to be that strong. [19:52] That's 4d6, remove lowest dice per stat, right? [19:52] Unless we make everythign else much stronger? [19:52] It's strength relative to the averge for characters. Could make other things stronger, other things faster... [19:52] Well, if you consider ponies to be the baseline, most things do have an edge. [19:53] Griffons are stronger, sea serpents are larger and have sharp teeth...ponies are a prey species [19:53] The only reason they're the dominant species is because of the Princesses [19:54] Also, your legs have hit points equivalent to 2+Con score, your torso has 5+constitution score, your wings have 2+ constitution score and have a -2 modifier to hit, your head has 1+ constitution score and a -3 mod, and your horn has your constitution score and -4 to hit. [19:55] Unicorn horns can also glow, to produce light as a torch [19:55] Yeah. [19:55] There should be minor spells and major spells. [19:56] Minor spells are free to cast, and are things like Light and minor Telekinesis. [19:56] Should we turn the Pegasus Dex and Earth Pony Con mods to +3 to make up for it? [19:56] I agree, and the major spells require a cutie mark in magic to learn more than one or two. [19:56] Learning spells is possible, but it puts a strain on your mind. [19:56] Major spells cost stamina, and is where you get shields and attacks. [19:56] Yup. [19:56] Every time you learn a major spell, make a SAN check. [19:57] Strain...are we talking about lovecraftian sanity loss? [19:57] Oooo, goodie [19:57] Just what I was thinking. [19:57] Cue a magic item being a book that, upon read, installs 2d6 spells right to your brain. [19:58] If you're lucky, best blessing. If you're unlucky... [19:58] You cast a spell with a level higher than your spell level, you have to roll a will save with a negative modifier of the amount above your level it was or lose sanity points. [19:58] Good, good. [19:58] Also, speaking of lovecraftian, we have sea ponies. [19:58] That is to say, we have Deep Ones. [19:58] Yup. San loss for casting should be fairly minor, otherwise no-one will roll unicorns. [19:58] IA, Dagon! [19:58] Or, IA, Smooze! [19:58] Which ever. [19:58] San for learning, if it goes wrong, should be a bit more harsh. [19:58] SHOO SHOO BE DOO F'TAGHN! [19:59] We're aiming to be harsh on our players. [19:59] Yeah, but not too harsh. Unicorns have to be viable. [19:59] Mmm, but not to make any one build unplayable. [19:59] You're kids going out into a forest full of monsters, lunatics and eldritch abominations. [19:59] Unicorns start with 3-6 minor spells, depending on how many we can think up, and 1 major spell. [19:59] True, we're not making anything unplayable, but we're not expecting you to survive that long. [20:00] Survival needs to be a challenge, but not undoable. [20:00] That seems a bit broken when the others just get stat bonuses and limited flight. [20:00] It's a challenge, but you can't suvive forever. [20:00] If they have to roll new pones every game, it's not going to be fun. [20:00] The cautious should be able to play for hours, but gradually wear down until they slip up. The reckless should be instantly torn apart. [20:00] Exactly. [20:01] Also, when you lose limbs, getting them back is extremely hard. [20:01] Getting out of the forest should also be a possibility. [20:01] The everfree is not endless [20:01] They can't be regrown, only your torso has passive regen. [20:01] At the end of the campaign, maybe. [20:01] Maybe we should say that the Everfree has a malign intelligence. [20:01] The paths and their surroundings can't be changed. [20:01] That's what I'm saying. Death should be likely, but not a foregone conclusion [20:02] Yep. [20:02] Also, maybe a limb regrowth major spell? [20:02] But venture away from the Path, and you're in the forest equivalent of Silent Hill, only it can move itself so you never find your way out. [20:02] Yep. [20:02] Also, there's a chance of san loss for the person whose limbs are being regrown. [20:02] That shit hurts. [20:02] Not physically, but you feel like it hurts. [20:03] Sounds good! [20:03] But the forest's spirit isn't omnipresent. [20:04] Or omnipotent [20:04] It moves around different parts of its domain, and sometimes you can find something helpful that it didn't want you to have. [20:04] Also, for Tartarus, here's an idea: [20:04] Yep. [20:04] Or someone helpful. Remember Zecora [20:04] It's not to keep the creatures inside in, it's to keep the ponies out. [20:05] I like that. [20:05] Equestria's like a petri dish, being watched by the infinitely powerful extradimensionsal beings in Tartarus as an experiment. [20:05] Now the doors of Tartarus are opening, because the Tartarans have decided to end the experiment. [20:06] Of course, almost no ponies know this [20:06] Exactly. [20:06] There should be cults, though. Small, and deep in the forest [20:06] Indeed. [20:06] Well, the experiment idea's one thing we could use. [20:06] Any of you have any other ideas? [20:07] I was thinking of it as sort of a political prison for Celestia's enemies that are powerful enough to be a threat [20:07] Perhaps it's the home of Discord's species. [20:07] They said he was a draconequus. [20:07] Not the draconequus, a draconequus. [20:07] Which implies there are others [20:08] Maybe even less powerful than the others. [20:08] Yep! [20:08] Or less malign. [20:08] He could even be a scout [20:08] Discord, Malice, Hatred, Greed, Bloodlust... [20:08] Eeven less grisly but still unbiased things, like Chance. [20:08] Are you pondering what I'm pondering? [20:09] Tartarus is the Warp? [20:09] Why do they call it a hamsetr when it's not ham and doesn't stir? [20:09] The Everfree is the balance for the rest of Equestria. Where Equestria is beautiful, the Everfree is ugly. Where Equestria is harmonious, the Everfree is chaotic [20:10] I like it. [20:10] This implies Elements of Disharmony. [20:10] To make Equestria a utopia, the Sisters used the Elements of Harmony to drain all the negative energy and darkness from the land. [20:10] Exactly! [20:10] But they had to dump their big ball of evil somewhere, so the Everfree was made. [20:10] This could be an after effect of Celestia using all six elements to seal Luna [20:10] Tartarus is at it's centre. [20:11] She didn't represent each of them enough, so she had to drain the ambience [20:11] Maybe it's the being in Tartarus that control the Forest. [20:11] Hence why the old royal castle is bang in the middle of it. [20:12] Let's see...Backstabbing, Greed, Vainglory, Cruelty, Mockery, and Chaos. [20:13] Yeah, I like that. [20:13] In this setting, the comics are non-canon. [20:13] So Nightmare Moon is unexplained. [20:14] She was being possessed by spirits controlled by the Tartarans, but they got kicked out. [20:14] Sounds good! [20:14] So they possessed a forest surrounding Tartarus. [20:15] Which was already permeated with evil, because of established reasons, and the spirits became the malign inteligence of the forest. [20:15] The Paths aren't controlled by the Forest because they were enchanted by the Elements of Harmony. [20:16] As long as the Elements are in the hands of good users, the Elements of Disharmony are stuck in the forest, and its influence can't spread any further. [20:17] But while Discord was running around, the borders of the Everfree expanded. [20:17] Indeed. [20:17] When he was stoned, the Everfree became dormant. [20:17] Which is why the ponies in Ponyville are dead scared of it, but it doesn't seem so threatening from what we've seen [20:17] But with him awake again, it's back. [20:17] I know being stoned did that to me. [20:17] :p [20:17] We've only seen it since Twi and her friends took care of the elements. [20:18] And they've always used the Paths or just stuck to the perimeter. [20:18] Anyway, I don't think that quite works. He's not fucking with the girls anymore, they're still good weilders [20:18] That's what you think. [20:18] He in fact is fucking with them, without them realizing. [20:18] Ahhhhh. You clever, clever man [20:19] He's part of the reason Twilight became a Princess. [20:19] Both to seperate her from her friends, and to bring her closer to him so he can influence her. [20:20] I think we should wait for S4 before we make that cannon, though. There's lots of talk about the other girls being uplifted as well. [20:20] The forest tries to kill every pony that enters it and acts as a safe haven for evil creatures and monsters so the Elements will eventually be forced to lead a crusade into it to sort its shit out. [20:20] Or, make it a GM's discression kind of thing [20:20] Then it'll launch its full forces against the Elements, claim them, and take over the world. [20:22] Yeah, that's good. [20:22] But you can't leave the Princesses out of this equation [20:23] Discord's in the castle now. [20:24] He's Discording them as well, but slowly so nobody notices. [20:24] Excellent [20:24] Ok, so let's work on rules for monsters. Same stats, except Friendship should be changed with something like Chaos or Disorder. [20:25] The majority of monsters are solitary, aren't they? [20:25] Ones with the traits Pack Instincts or Sentient might have Frienship points, but otherwise what's the use? [20:27] Well, some are and some aren't. Timberwolves are pack animals, and the nagapon have an entire soceity [20:28] Timberwolves have Pack Instincts, Nagapon have Sentient. [20:29] point taken [20:29] Changelings have Hive Mind, perhaps? [20:29] A few other useful traits would be Venomous, Climber for spiders and such, Swimer, for sea serpents and seaponies [20:30] Do they have a hive mind, though? They seem to me more organized like an army than an actual hive [20:30] Swimmer would be having a swim speed, not have=ing swimmer requires you to roll swim checks. [20:31] Minor hive mind. Call if 50ft telepathy, simple instructions only. [20:31] Pretty much [20:31] With the exception of the queen. Same restriction, but telepathy anywhere. [20:35] Also, another thing that might work with pack animals is the Strength in Numbers trait. [20:35] Yeah, but that would have to be for like an overwhelming force. [20:36] They get +1 to something I haven't decided for every friendly creature of their race adjacent to them, and all the ones adjacent to them. [20:36] Also, is it occuring to anyone that we could run this platform as a more high adventure campaign with more adult ponies? [20:36] True. [20:36] Agreed. [20:37] Also, the Strength in numbers could be cumulative, but work on fractions. [20:37] So, in fact, we're making two games at once [20:37] One aparasprite is stopped by a stomping. [20:37] But I prefer the idea of small, completely unaware children having a fun day out that turns into a fight for their lives against eldritch abominations, monsters and lunatics. [20:37] Two is as easy as two alone. [20:37] four is when things start getting bonuses. [20:37] Twenty is -terrifying- [20:37] I do too, Grak, but hear me out. Say one little filly gets out alive. [20:38] They're going to tell their mommy and daddy, and then in a few days it's torches and pitchforks time [20:38] So basically, +1/4 to a good deal of their stats for every one present. [20:38] True. [20:38] But I think I prefer it as horor. [20:38] Well, yeah. The everfree is deadly to anyone who goes in [20:38] Also, Timberwolves have Strength in Numbers, and they get bonuses much easier. [20:39] Just that adults would have a bit more chance. Think old-school CoC [20:39] Mmm, we can add suggested rules at the end for adult campaigns, but it'll be an appendix item, not a main feature. [20:39] yeah [20:39] But the problem is that when they're closer together, if you set one of them on fire the fire passes on to adjacent ones, and they'll either split up or burn to death. [20:39] Maybe a supplement. [20:40] So what are we calling our version, assuming the other version is still Poor Unfortunate Foals? [20:40] Definantly a supplement. sort of like Ravenloft in reverse. [20:40] Also, Arzen's had forty minutes, shall we start? [20:40] Why not just call it Crunch, at least as a working title [20:40] Sure. [20:41] Should we still talk in here while we're playing? [20:42] That might be a bit much to follow, and I have two monitors. [20:42] I keep my character sheet on the second one, usually. [20:43] 'Kay. [20:43] Maybe we could call it, I don't know, The Woods or something? [20:46] I think the name should have to do with the Ponieness of it. [20:46] Also, do you think we could do a Kickstarter of this, and get people to buy this shit? [20:49] Nah, let's do it free. [20:49] Hasbro would sue. [20:49] they're not suing the ponyfinder dudes. [20:49] They're not charging. [20:49] If they are, they haven't noticed yet. [20:49] Bullshit they're not. [20:49] Well, okay then. [20:50] I have no idea, to be honest. [20:50] I wouldn't charge, personally. [20:50] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/224492525/ponies-for-pathfinder-setting-handbook [20:50] Fine, we'll use Kickstarter on one condition. [20:50] I don't think we should charge for the core books [20:50] We make a bank account seperate to our personal ones for the game. [20:50] Of course not. [20:50] But if people like it, and they want more stuff, why not sell sourcebooks? [20:51] Exactly. [20:51] Still, as I said, no personal bank accounts. [20:51] I was thinking a group paypal account, or similar [20:51] Sure. [20:51] Black's afk, so I'm going on [20:51] Hell, we can put excess money into future systems we could eventually make. [20:51] We could get big with this. [20:52] it's unlikely, but possible. [20:52] Could do, but this'll be purely part time [20:54] Definitely. [20:54] I mean, I still have school. [20:54] In the event we start bringing in thousands, we'll concentrate more on this. [20:54] I have another potential big-earner business that I'm just starting. [20:54] But, again, highly unlikely. [20:54] Mmm. [20:56] Also, we'd need to eventually comission artists to do designs for our covers and within the books. [20:57] I'm sure we can find drawfags on /anon/ or /mlp/ willing to work for pay [20:58] I say the first few pages of every book should be filled with a story relevant to the subject matter, whether shown through traditional methods, newspaper articles or mad ramblings. [20:58] Hopefully! Might as well egt a couple of big-name artists if we make enough on the kickstarter, like Johnjoseco or someone. [20:58] Oh, good idea! [20:58] I like that idea. [20:58] I can definately writefag those parts [20:59] Might do it for every few chapters. Like, one on the history of the Everfree for the worldbuilding portions, and a few pages from a beastairy for the monster manual. [21:00] Possibly the bestiary would also contain local legends and the mad ramblings of somebody who's seen the creatures. [21:01] Also, Sea Ponies are venomous. [21:01] Their venom is sent through their fingers, in a way you can't feel. [21:01] Sea Ponies are NOT NICE here. [21:01] Less mermaid, more sharkman. [21:02] The first symptoms are you become thirstier more often, and get aggressive when you're thirsty. [21:02] You start needing to drink more and more water. [21:06] As it progresses, your fur starts to fall off, and you go into a fever if you go more than a few hours without contact with water. [21:07] The skin beneath the fur turns green, and begins to secrete slime. [21:07] Eventually, all your fur falls off and you become a Sea Pony. [21:09] But just before you go completely, you remember who you once were, and you realize what you're about to do: kill all your friends. [21:12] Actually, not through their fingers. [21:12] Through their tentacles. [21:13] Their legs all turn into clusters of tentacles. [21:15] can the seaponies mate in the usual way, or do they *have* to take ponies to continue their species? [21:16] What do you think would be better? [21:17] I like the idea of them having to. Kind of goes back into the vampire mythos, but it adds urgency, because they're not immortal [21:18] Great. [21:19] In actuality, Sea Ponies are just under the effect of a disease spred by the Tartaran named Corruption. [21:19] They think that they're "purified" though, because the original Sea Ponies were a cult of Corruption that he changed into monsters. [21:20] So they try to "purify" every pony they see. [21:23] We should make a new channel so we can rp in this one. [21:23] Knock yourself out. [21:24] Considering it's a version of PUF with more crunch, our working title should be Crunchy Puffs. [21:24] Everybody join #crunchypuffs.