1, The country comparisons only compare OECD countries with gun control to the US (Czech and Switzerland are fine)
 
2. State by State comparison has no correlation
 
3. Race factors into the murder rate more
 
4. the declines seen in places like Australia/England were seen everywhere, and even within that context have mixed results
 
5. Far and away the most guns, not anywhere near most violent, nations with less guns have more gun deaths (South Ameria)
 
https://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/
 
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/08/10/african-american-homicide-rate-nearly-quadruple-national-average-11680
 
https://archive.is/9NmaZ
 
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161401179/#161406201
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161413612/#161414491
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161413612/#161416318
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161413612/#q161418355
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161413612/#161419301
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161413612/#161418505
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161413612/#161419796
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161413612/#q161420203
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161419979/#q161420387
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161419979/#161420781
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161419979/#q161422028
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161419979/#161422280
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161419979/#161420045
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161419979/#q161422679
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161419979/#161423286
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161419979/#q161423856
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161419979/#q161424501
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161419979/#161424945
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161419979/#161425393
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161419979/#161425630
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161425387/#161425886
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161425387/#161431377
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/161425387/#161425692
 
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/murder-rate-for-hispanics_b_5309973.html
http://www.vpc.org/studies/hispanic16.pdf
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/06/555861898/gun-violence-how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
https://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/
 
Pretty terrible debate. The dogpile was bad but at least useful information was communicated through it I guess. And a follower of mine noted that Destiny showed some of his hand regarding race realism, but that will come at the end. All it takes is one person to point out the state by state correlation between gun ownership and murder is nonexistent, and that the US' exaggerated crime issue is not due to white gun owners but minorities using illegally obtained guns. Which is why the data on whether bans work is mixed to put it kindly
 
Also the US is not the highest in the world for firearm deaths (not that gun homicides matter compared to homicide in general), and Hispanics are not underrepresented in gun crime. I and others had a hard time finding some of Destiny's figures, mostly regarding Hispanics being underrepresented, not even mainstream lefty sites had them. Seem dubious.
 
As for race realism, quoting verbatim: "Destiny's primary goal with the race realism research will be to learn enough to "sound more correct" than laymen like Alsupp. When Destiny says things like "genes and environment are inherently intertwined so you can't just say genes cause X", he's correct, but it's dishonest."
Interestingly this implicitly concedes genes play a role but in an obscurantist manner. Basically he will opportunistically sniff out uncertainty and make that the basis of his referendum. Absent will be evidence for the Environment-Only position as usual.