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Question to discuss:
What will you do when you have only one week to live?
Stranger 2: Travel
Stranger 1: kill everyone on my shitlist
Stranger 2: And die where mankind was born
Stranger 1: where was mankind born?
Stranger 2: Mesopotamia
Stranger 1: I thought it was africa?
Stranger 2: ...
Stranger 1: Well either way should be easy
Stranger 2: After travelling around the world that is
Stranger 1: sand niggers or just niggers will eliminate you
Stranger 1: desert or jungle
Stranger 2: Actually not really
Stranger 2: I don't understand why you say that
Stranger 1: You wanna go to Iraq?
Stranger 1: You think you won’t be kidnapped and beheaded?
Stranger 1: dumbass
Stranger 2: I don't give a fuck if I'm going to die soon?
Stranger 1: yeah but what’s the point of lying down for someone else to do it?
Stranger 2: Also it's not because you see they are all bad guys in your tv set that that's true
Stranger 1: why not go out taking lives? At least that way you can control someone else’s fate
Stranger 2: I'd actually even go to Iran for fun, nice places to visit there
Stranger 1: Have some finality besides your own
Stranger 2: Control? You control nothing
Stranger 2: How is killing better?
Stranger 1: Oh yeah?
Stranger 2: You wouldn't know what you are doing
Stranger 1: If I blast you in the face with a shotgun that’s control over your fate
Stranger 2: Well that's suicide for you actually
Stranger 2: And with your logic, everybody would kill everybody, for nothing
Stranger 2: Interrupting a life is not controlling it, even then
Stranger 1: Death isn’t logical it just is
Stranger 1: actually I disagree
Stranger 2: And life isn't a movie
Stranger 1: All the world’s a stage and we are but actors
Stranger 2: Well that's your opinion of it
Stranger 1: Actually it’s shakespere’s
Stranger 2: Doesn't mean it has to be universal, or better than another view
Stranger 2: It's still a personnal view
Stranger 1: I see no reason to believe otherwise
Stranger 2: I don't see any reason to believe it either
Stranger 2: Guess that's what a belief is
Stranger 2: And that's why beliefs are not truth, they are beliefs, nothing more
Stranger 1: Anyway, I’ll check off my shitlist and you can go get massacred by some habib
Stranger 2: Again I don't see why they would do that to me
Stranger 2: And who is on your shitlist anyway?
Stranger 1: Okay let’s assume for just one second that you’re a) not a jew
Stranger 1: b) not amerifag
Stranger 2: I'm good so far
Stranger 1: They’d still likely want to kill your ass because of the perception that western influence is the devil
Stranger 2: Well actually America murdered their population twice already
Stranger 2: Doesn't mean they are all like that
Stranger 2: Just like other countries don't want to murder everybody coming from a country they have been in war with
Stranger 1: And they wiped out entire races of europeans during the moorish conquests of europe
Stranger 2: Maybe you want to go back in History? But I don't see what this means
Stranger 1: I don’t really care that my country murdered them
Stranger 1: that’s my point
Stranger 1: history is just that
Stranger 2: European countries also attacked in those places and wiped out many of them
Stranger 2: And so what? If you don't care, why should they care about me?
Stranger 1: I didn’t say I cared forever alone
Stranger 2: They won't either, at least not all of them
Stranger 1: I just was trying to understand why you’d want to visit such a nasty place
Stranger 2: Actually Iraq has a lot of stuff (cultural wise) coming from the very birth of mankind
Stranger 1: I’d rather go to idk, maybe Spain or someplace more temperate
Stranger 2: Again, this is not because amerifats constantly show no mans land or ghetto that the entire country is like that
Stranger 1: Okay I believe that’s true, but it doesn’t make me want to go
Stranger 1: and guess what
Stranger 1: I’m part habib
Stranger 2: I don't ask you to want to go there
Stranger 1: turkish and lebanese
Stranger 2: Why does it change anything?
Stranger 2: Did you go there?
Stranger 1: But it doesn’t make me want to visit
Stranger 1: Nope
Stranger 2: Then it's irrelevant
Stranger 1: No it is
Stranger 2: Google image Isfahan
Stranger 2: You'll understand what I mean
Stranger 1: Because I have more direct connection to the place ancestrally but less interest than you apparently
Stranger 2: It's actually more good looking that any construction the amerifats made
Stranger 2: Well unless you went there, or are impregnated from their culture through your parents, it doesn't mean much
Stranger 2: There are many immigrants from 2nd or 3rd generation that have no real connection with their ancestor's countries anymore, past what they believe about it
Stranger 1: I’m 1/4 great grandfather and great grandmother were from there
Stranger 1: so yeah means fuck all
Stranger 1: But in fact I’m the only child out of 5 that ended up with an arab name
Stranger 1: I don’t like it
Stranger 2: That's normal, it's not really your country anymore
Stranger 2: For several generations it seems
Stranger 1: the pics of isfahan are interesting but I don’t know if I want to go there
Stranger 2: I'm not making you want to go there
Stranger 2: Just pointing out there are actually things to see for me
Stranger 2: That are not related to war, butchery, or fanatism
Stranger 1: Let’s say hypothetically I went there. Would they let me hop on my $4000 Italian bike and just ride around without bothering me? I doubt it
Stranger 1: They’d probably either want to steal from me or kill me
Stranger 1: maybe both
Stranger 2: They have laws
Stranger 2: If you respect their laws I don't see why they would attack you
Stranger 1: That’s the only way I’d travel
Stranger 1: by bicycle
Stranger 2: Again, they are not bloodlust retarded fanatics amerifats tell you they are
Stranger 1: Just unload at the airport, assemble it, and ride
Stranger 2: Why not? Sounds like a good idea
Stranger 2: I'd use a motorbike most likely
Stranger 1: I’d assume it’s exaggerated of course but that doesn’t mean I’d be just as safe there as riding around in my own country/state/locale
Stranger 1: Of course I like a little risk but not a ruined vacation or worse
Stranger 2: Of course not, but you are not safe in many places either
Stranger 2: Currently, if you go in some places in Athenes (Greece) you can get murdered for instance
Stranger 1: Yeah
Stranger 1: And that’s another European country I’d want to visit
Stranger 2: Same for big cities like NY, Paris, St-Petersburg or whatever
Stranger 1: Span and Greece for mountain biking
Stranger 1: Spain*
Stranger 1: The world’s a pretty big place from a bicycle
Stranger 1: I can’t even explore my own backyard enough
Stranger 1: Of course in California we’re as big as most European countries
Stranger 2: Well USA are not really a country, more like Europe-sized
Stranger 1: But getting back to the point. I don’t have a lot of money for some bucket list type thing if I knew I was gonna die, so I’d probably resort to venting my repressed hatred
Stranger 1: If I had the cash? Sure I’d travel, feed some homeless, play jesus for a bit
Stranger 1: Build a multibillion dollar computer company j/k
Stranger 2: Who do you hate that much?
Stranger 1: I don’t but it’s more a matter of what is repressed vs what can be achieved in a short period of time
Stranger 2: Then, what's repressed that much for you?
Stranger 1: Everyone represses things
Stranger 2: I don't think you can really cure repressed things in a short timespan, at least not really
Stranger 1: For you it’s a trip to mesopotamia for whatever reason
Stranger 2: Repressed means over time usually
Stranger 1: Yeah and I’d guess rightly you’ve wanted to go to that part of the world over time
Stranger 2: I'd go there because I'm just trying to understand what the fuck I'm doing on this planet
Stranger 1: I don’t have stupid expectations like that
Stranger 1: I’ve never seen any evidence of understanding through death
Stranger 1: or through the mad rush that comes as people try to reconcile themselves to it
Stranger 1: it’s all bs
Stranger 2: Those expectations are only stupid for you
Stranger 1: I’d rather vent my feels
Stranger 1: if love is too expensive to vent I choose hate
Stranger 2: I didn't qualify your beliefs like that, even if I feel like a last rant is the stupid thing to do
Stranger 1: For me it’s all about making an impact on this reality
Stranger 2: Why?
Stranger 2: When you'll be dead, nothing will last
Stranger 1: That’s the whole point
Stranger 2: Even if you kill 50 people in an explosion
Stranger 2: Nobody will remember you
Stranger 1: The kid at Sandy Hook? he killed because he had no other way to leave an impact
Stranger 1: That’s not true
Stranger 1: I remember the names of the kids who shot up Columbine and it was almost twenty years ago
Stranger 2: Yep twenty years ago
Stranger 2: History is far wider than this
Stranger 1: Doesn’t matter
Stranger 2: Your guys will only be a line on a book in 50 years
Stranger 2: And nothing in 100
Stranger 1: It’s all about maximum impact of one’s actions
Stranger 1: That’s a slippery slope argument
Stranger 2: And why does "this" matter?
Stranger 1: illogical
Stranger 2: If nothing matters, showing off doesn't matter either, why would it?
Stranger 1: I didn’t say nothing matters
Stranger 2: Oh really? Tell me where the fallacy is then?
Stranger 1: You did
Stranger 2: You said: "It's all about maximum impact of one's actions", so yeah you did
Stranger 2: And no I didn't, I said what mattered "to me"
Stranger 2: Never said it was universal
Stranger 2: I said it was my belief
Stranger 1: The fallacy is that you’re arguing that ultimately over time all actions can be reduced to non-action, which is an argument against the validity of action within a finite amount of time
Stranger 1: slippery slope argument
Stranger 1: patently fallacious
Stranger 2: Actually, I never said the actions never existed
Stranger 2: I said over time the impact is reduced to nothing
Stranger 1: I’m only arguing that the maximum that can be achieved in a week as per OPs dictum is best achieved through destruction and violence
Stranger 2: You never said it's all about actions, you said it's all about impact
Stranger 2: And so far, you didn't put any argument behind that
Stranger 1: Maybe you should go to mesopotamia. The sand people might educate you
Stranger 2: Irony isn't an argument either
Stranger 1: That was an ad homeniem but I don’t care
Stranger 2: I've agreed to say it's was your "belief" from the start
Stranger 2: I said this was not mine
Stranger 2: There is no argument to put up there
Stranger 2: Why do you want to prove it's the right thing to do?
Stranger 1: You’re a funny little brain
Stranger 1: You think efficacy of action is necessarily a moral argument
Stranger 2: At least I'm not trying to murder people for nothing, hah
Stranger 2: I never said that
Stranger 1: effectiveness or impact of action is amoral and has nothing to do with right or wrong
Stranger 2: You are assuming I'm thinking that
Stranger 1: You just asked me why I wanted to “prove” it’s the right thing to do
Stranger 2: You are not trying to argue with me, you are trying to argue with a dumb projection of me you made
Stranger 1: I never tried to prove right
Stranger 2: Well what are you trying to do then?
Stranger 2: You've stated you wanted to murder everybody from the start
Stranger 1: Achieve maximum impact of actions that can be committed over the course of a single week
Stranger 2: So far I only wanted to understand your reasoning, while you tried to argue to say your vision of things was the best
Stranger 2: Yep, and even in raw "effectiveness", I still think there are better ways than just murdering people
Stranger 1: That for me would be violence and destruction because I lack the resources to fundamentally impact this reality in complex ways
Stranger 2: You could get them in one week in some domain if you stopped being a lazy ass then
Stranger 1: better is a moral argument
Stranger 2: Nope
Stranger 2: Better on the scale of "effectiveness"
Stranger 2: See you are the one bringing that back to morals, I never did it
Stranger 2: I said "It doesn't match with my beliefs"
Stranger 2: I never said it was bad in an universal way
Stranger 1: You make no sense lol
Stranger 1: do you smoke weed?
Stranger 2: You trying to make it fall back on morals just make me think you are actually aware it's bad for your own system of beliefs
Stranger 2: And that you want to be "bad-ass" one way or another
Stranger 2: Not really
Stranger 1: nope not at all
Stranger 2: You not being able to understand it doesn't mean it's not clear
Stranger 1: I get what you’re saying completely and understand your objections but they are existential feels and emotional quandaries for you.
Stranger 1: I don’t have high expectations of living only for a week
Stranger 2: How do you know what they are for me? You are not me.
Stranger 2: That's what they are for "you"
Stranger 2: But again, it's ok, we don't have the same beliefs
Stranger 1: So I’ll kill people and break their spirit in order to satisfy my own internal feelings of inadequacy and impotency at being feeble and decidedly mortal in the face of death
Stranger 2: I don't expect you to share mine and vice versa at this point
Stranger 2: Here we are
Stranger 2: It's no longer about "efficiency" as you stated it
Stranger 2: it's about satisfying those feelings
Stranger 1: Well no it actually is both
Stranger 1: Your little trip will not amount to any remembrance because you’re dead
Stranger 2: And here is what I said before, I don't think you will really satisfy those feelings truely by acting this way
Stranger 2: Because life is not a movie
Stranger 1: And my little destructive tirade will last a lot longer
Stranger 1: My stone toss in the pond will make bigger ripples
Stranger 1: Even if the net result is no ripple to reach the shore
Stranger 2: I never said I wanted to leave something?
Stranger 2: In your system of beliefs, showing off seems to be an important thing
Stranger 2: Doesn't mean it's important for me
Stranger 2: So yeah you'll probably shock more people than me by doing your things
Stranger 2: So what?
Stranger 1: Showing off? Is that how you see domination of others?
Stranger 1: It’s just an animal thing man
Stranger 2: It's important for you, not for me
Stranger 1: You’re reading way too deep into it
Stranger 2: You are the one talking about bigger ripples, not me
Stranger 1: If I know I’m gonna die in a week I’m gonna be PISSED, not happy and ready to share my love with everyone because I hadn’t yet achieved the level of impact on the world I wanted
Stranger 1: Maybe I never will
Stranger 2: Well you not being happy or ready to share your love is not related to the amount of time you have to live
Stranger 1: But the point is, I want to leave as lasting an impact as possible, even if death is ultimately victorious at silencing my actions forever with time at it’s command I still have that animal instinct to fight it
Stranger 2: Then you would be an animal, not a man
Stranger 2: Also we are back into the impact thing
Stranger 1: men ARE animals lol
Stranger 1: humans are mammals
Stranger 1: mammals are animals
Stranger 2: That's your view on this
Stranger 1: it’s fact
Stranger 2: Then what? We are all cells. Here we are.
Stranger 2: You are what you want to be
Stranger 1: Your feels and mine are brain chemistry
Stranger 1: nothing more
Stranger 1: I’m not suggesting disobey them or revolt
Stranger 2: You are free to believe in materialism, this is not a problem for me
Stranger 1: I’m not trying to make a moral argument out of this
Stranger 2: Problem with that is that you are not only an animal
Stranger 2: I don't either
Stranger 2: You are free to believe what you want
Stranger 2: The only thing I'm saying is that you want to effectively leave a mark while satisfying your murdering instincts
Stranger 2: But I don't think both are possible at the same time
Stranger 2: A real mark is left because of the difference you have with other people
Stranger 2: People trying to murder others or suicide are not that rare
Stranger 1: And I believe that in a limited time scenario like OPs I’d probably kill and destroy to achieve maximum impact over the short term, knowing that my intelligence, influence, and dominance in the material world were too compromised in order to leave impacts in more complex ways (such as love, art, innovation, etc.)
Stranger 2: This is a state of mind
Stranger 2: Your life is limited, you just have more time
Stranger 1: Look dude, neither of us are Steve Jobs okay? We won’t change history by being clever or by intellectual preponderance
Stranger 1: We’re not going to go out like that
Stranger 1: The greatest contribution we have are our fuckups
Stranger 2: Steve Jobs isn't a model for me, but speak for yourself. I can change things.
Stranger 1: Our ability to magnify them
Stranger 2: I've heard that so many times
Stranger 2: "I can't be good for the world, so let's be the worst possible"
Stranger 1: The greater the magnitude, the greater the impact we leave
Stranger 2: You are not getting me with your feelings
Stranger 2: Impact is your thing, not mine
Stranger 1: Steve Jobs isn’t a role model? But it’s right inline with OPs scenario
Stranger 1: Steve knew he was gonna die for at least six years
Stranger 2: The only thing I have in this world is me and my honor, you are free to do what you want with yours
Stranger 2: And still, this is not a model for me
Stranger 1: he exerted himself in productive and creative ways to build the company he wanted.
Stranger 2: He stole most of his so called innovations
Stranger 1: Honor is an illusion created by want and lack of necessity
Stranger 2: And ended up selling overpriced things made in particularly horrible conditions by asian slaves
Stranger 1: When necessity comes calling honor is lost
Stranger 2: Leaving a mark is an illusion to me, honor is an illusion to you, that's fine
Stranger 1: You’re just spending too much time navel gazing and isolating yourself
Stranger 2: Actually this is wrong
Stranger 2: Honor is doing the right choice
Stranger 2: Not being able to have a choice have nothing to do with honor
Stranger 1: we’re all slaves bro
Stranger 1: Slaves to governments
Stranger 1: bosses
Stranger 1: biology
Stranger 1: genes
Stranger 1: We’re slaves
Stranger 1: Even the ecosystem is slavery
Stranger 2: When it comes about genes and biology, it's not true
Stranger 1: You’re a moralfag too
Stranger 2: When it comes to bosses and governments you are right
Stranger 2: But you are a slave because you accept to be a slave
Stranger 1: You think your system of ethics is freedom from something but it’s slavery too
Stranger 2: And you are a betafag
Stranger 2: You have no idea what freedom is
Stranger 2: You have ways to get out of work and government slavery
Stranger 2: But you need to find them
Stranger 1: You actually think your feels on honor set you free but trying to get the right feels in order to be happy is part of the slavery
Stranger 2: I never said honor set me free
Stranger 2: It's not related
Stranger 1: Yeah whatev
Stranger 1: You’re chasing happiness
Stranger 1: That’s your right as an American I concede that
Stranger 1: But it’s just more slavery
Stranger 2: Well I'm denying short happiness to impact me actually
Stranger 2: And I'm not American
Stranger 1: The reason I don’t kill is the same reason you preserve honor
Stranger 1: laws
Stranger 2: But I know how the system works
Stranger 1: also illusions
Stranger 2: Not really
Stranger 2: I preserve honor to not feel bad later
Stranger 1: cultural
Stranger 1: social
Stranger 2: Contrary to what people see in movies, killing somebody haunts you one day or another
Stranger 1: People can be taught to feed bad about treating others with honor
Stranger 1: stanford prison experiment
Stranger 1: google it
Stranger 2: You can be taught to feel bad about things that right
Stranger 1: it’s just what you’re taught man
Stranger 2: It doesn't mean you can't fight it by looking objectively at reality when you are grown
Stranger 1: but if you look deep - I mean really deep down
Stranger 2: But it will make you work hard for nothing at first
Stranger 1: You’re a wannabe murdering sonnafabitch just like me
Stranger 2: Not really
Stranger 2: I'm not saying I don't understand how dying in a fight can be great
Stranger 1: then you haven’t dug deep enough or been dug up
Stranger 2: But murdering isn't related to this
Stranger 2: Bloodlust is not the most primal emotion
Stranger 2: Fear is
Stranger 2: Seems I dig deeper than you
Stranger 1: anger is more useful than fear
Stranger 1: seems I figured out more than you
Stranger 2: It's not about being useful, it's about being primal
Stranger 2: You talked about depth
Stranger 2: You are trying to escape again
Stranger 2: Fear is the primal emotion, not anger
Stranger 1: nope
Stranger 2: When you have the biggest foe in front of you and understand you can't do shit, what happens?
Stranger 2: You run away, and you know it.
Stranger 1: nothing stays afraid forever without finally going into a rage
Stranger 1: fear drives animals insane
Stranger 2: In movies, probably.
Stranger 1: in reality fact
Stranger 1: what happens? You become the foe
Stranger 2: Actually, once again, when a real inevitable danger appears, there is fear, not anger
Stranger 2: Anger is when you have a chance to fight back and the foe is attacking something you care for
Stranger 2: Let's say some thug is breaking your car
Stranger 2: You may be angry and hit him
Stranger 2: 10 huge thugs with weapons doing the same? You piss in your pants. And you know it.
Stranger 1: No you just calculate an escape
Stranger 1: and no I don’t know it
Stranger 2: Reality is that murderer-wannabes don't do shit in real life
Stranger 2: They are the first ones to bow
Stranger 2: At least in my experience
Stranger 2: I have several friends like that
Stranger 2: They are always betas in real life
Stranger 1: and I’m sure your anecdotes are most instructive lol
Stranger 2: And always the most cruel and sadistic people behind their computer
Stranger 1: Lemmie tell you about this betafag
Stranger 2: I can't talk further than my experiences, I shouldn't either
Stranger 1: since you’re trying to qualify me by invidious companions
Stranger 2: I'm not trying to qualify you
Stranger 2: I'm trying to qualify that kind of behavior
Stranger 1: bullshit
Stranger 2: And then you start being mad, not sure why.
Stranger 1: I’m a triathlete
Stranger 1: I was in the navy
Stranger 2: This isn't relevant to anything.
Stranger 1: I was based in Korea for six years
Stranger 2: You could be Chuck Norris I wouldn't care.
Stranger 2: Ad hominem isn't an argument one way or the other.
Stranger 1: I can run circles around all your friends you compare me to
Stranger 2: And you trying to be a badass has no impact on me.
Stranger 1: I own several firearms
Stranger 2: If I wanted to be evil towards you, I would mock you, but I'm just asking you to stop this
Stranger 1: I’m not bullshiiting or trying to win an internet debate
Stranger 2: Well you obviously have a problem then
Stranger 2: You told me you couldn't leave any impact on this world because you were not special
Stranger 1: I’m happily married, have three dogs and a nice family
Stranger 2: Now you are telling me you are
Stranger 1: There is no fucked up childhood
Stranger 2: So obviously, you are either lying, or not so happy
Stranger 1: I’m satisfied and happy enough
Stranger 1: But I don’t chase happiness like you
Stranger 1: I’m not a fool though I’ve been fooled around a few times
Stranger 2: Else since you are special (from what you said) you can leave a better mark (since it's your goal) than the basic human - animal
Stranger 1: No I can’t
Stranger 2: I'm not chasing happiness, but I think you do
Stranger 1: I’m not a genius
Stranger 2: You mentionned it several times already, even if I clearly answered
Stranger 1: I’m not a world class athlete
Stranger 2: Then do a one week marathon?
Stranger 2: It's your last week, you don't give a fuck anyway
Stranger 1: I’m not a corporate hedgehog or a CEO just middleman
Stranger 2: You have a family that is nice? Why not doing things with them?
Stranger 1: decent salary
Stranger 1: nothing to brag about
Stranger 2: You are a slave.
Stranger 1: nice home but again
Stranger 1: pretty standard compared to the Jones around me
Stranger 2: You enslaved yourself, and now it's going after you.
Stranger 2: And here comes all the repressed stuff.
Stranger 1: It’s reality kid
Stranger 1: wake up
Stranger 1: you’re not gonna do anything or change anything either
Stranger 2: You are funny.
Stranger 2: I'm young that's right.
Stranger 2: I'm already financially independent
Stranger 2: For like...a good amount of time
Stranger 1: I’m decent at everything I do. Above average but not great
Stranger 1: That’s my plight
Stranger 2: I don't come from a rich family
Stranger 2: And I'm working on my phd
Stranger 2: So yeah, I will change things
Stranger 1: I went to college after the navy and got a degree too
Stranger 1: Doesn’t mean squat
Stranger 2: I don't care if people "recognize me", but I will indeed change things
Stranger 1: I have a masters degree it got me a decent job
Stranger 1: That’s about it
Stranger 2: Masters degree are bought nowadays
Stranger 2: That's why I'm going further
Stranger 1: You will change things eh?
Stranger 2: Not to say "I've got a degree"
Stranger 2: But to meet real people
Stranger 2: Not slaves.
Stranger 1: You’re an idiot kid lol
Stranger 2: As you are now, you are formatted to see everything as slavery
Stranger 1: there are no real people just various levels of torture
Stranger 2: Yet you seem to think your instincts are the freedom
Stranger 2: That's your vision of it
Stranger 2: And it's sad
Stranger 1: Your idea of “real” is some haji living in poverty who takes you in because you’re a fascinating wonder monkey from the west
Stranger 1: you make me laugh for real
Stranger 2: Look, the only thing you can change is yourself
Stranger 2: Real? Nope
Stranger 2: That's what you think I think
Stranger 1: I got you made kid
Stranger 2: If you think so, and if it makes you feel better in your everyday slave life, then it's better than nothing
Stranger 1: You’re just some leftist feels moralfag with a hatred for human nature and an idealized view of what it’s supposed to be
Stranger 1: you haven’t lived long enough
Stranger 2: Real is just about following your system of beliefs after you thought about it in a neutral way
Stranger 1: You haven’t seen enough
Stranger 2: Leftist?
Stranger 1: Oh yeah
Stranger 2: Now you are the funny one
Stranger 1: At the root of your thinking is collectivism
Stranger 2: Leftist and rightist doesn't mean anything nowadays
Stranger 2: Wrong, I'm only thinking about myself
Stranger 1: you’re not a pragmatist or individualist, and if you pretend to be you’re a subversive
Stranger 2: I do think most people are completely stupid
Stranger 1: I understand what they both mean under the surface
Stranger 2: But I've met "real" clever people
Stranger 1: They’re euphemisms
Stranger 2: I don't see how I could be anything else than individualist
Stranger 2: Since everything is based on my perception
Stranger 2: Changing your perception of the world is changing the world
Stranger 2: But you can't understand until you actually do it
Stranger 2: This is the sad part
Stranger 1: Well it’s like this okay: Honor is a social creation brought about by collectivist ideals about what is right and true in society.
Stranger 1: You think you’re practicing “to thine own self be true”
Stranger 1: But you’re not
Stranger 2: I defined what was honor for me already, to be sure we were talking about the same thing
Stranger 2: And it's not that
Stranger 2: I'm not looking for happiness
Stranger 2: But I need to avoid pain on the long run
Stranger 2: And this is the only way to do it
Stranger 1: You’re denying that your fundamental cause for honor is to simply excuse behavior
Stranger 2: My fundamental cause for honor is to not feel bad about my actions over time, nothing more
Stranger 2: I'm denying your conception of honor, probably
Stranger 2: But it's not mine, so there is no harm done
Stranger 2: This is where you do the difference between real people and formatted slaves by the way
Stranger 1: So open your mind a bit. Isn’t that what you wanted to do by visiting foreign lands?
Stranger 2: Real people I met were sometimes really different from me with really odd system of beliefs, yet coherent
Stranger 1: Because by opening up you’ll realize you can do anything and feel just fine about it
Stranger 1: Or feel nothing at all
Stranger 2: But I could always talk to them without them trying to alienate me like you are trying to do now
Stranger 2: Actually I wanted to do this as a way to unlock things in my mind
Stranger 2: And I'm open minded to pretty much anything
Stranger 2: Me saying something that "almost looks like some common thing" doesn't mean I never thought about it
Stranger 2: If anything I think I'm more open minded and free than you
Stranger 1: Then don’t automatically reject the notion that killing or violence is somehow more ineffectual than running off to see exotic lands
Stranger 2: I'm not saying that out of the blue, I'm just using what you said yourself
Stranger 2: You still didn't get it right?
Stranger 2: I don't care about "being effective in leaving a mark"
Stranger 2: That's why I didn't even consider this
Stranger 2: However what I did consider is that "if I try to be you for one moment" I realize there are more effective ways to do so
Stranger 2: You are the close minded one by only consider this
Stranger 2: ing*
Stranger 2: Now if you were really considering murder as something like anything else, you'd not only consider it
Stranger 1: I’ll give you one more chance to make sense to me, because a) I don’t believe you when you say you don’t care after saying you’ll “change things” and b) this angle your taking re effectiveness of ones actions doesn’t make sense on it’s face.
Stranger 2: But the way you do it looks like you would feel happy by breaking a taboo you set on yourself
Stranger 1: Goddamn right I would. wouldn’t YOU?
Stranger 2: I don't have to take your chance, it's up to you to understand, I'm only clarifying what you ask me
Stranger 2: For your first thing
Stranger 2: You are assuming I want to change things for others
Stranger 2: You didn't even consider I could want to change things to get more grasp on my perception
Stranger 2: For your second, can you reformulate?
Stranger 1: so take some peyote
Stranger 1: big fucking deal
Stranger 1: go get your mind wrecked
Stranger 1: You’ll come back here eventually
Stranger 1: same damn conundrum
Stranger 2: I don't really see why I should do that
Stranger 2: You seem to be in need for an escape
Stranger 1: You want to change your perception right?
Stranger 2: Without being able to find it
Stranger 1: I have a need to effect things
Stranger 2: I can't really change my perception, and this isn't what I meant either
Stranger 2: I need to know how my perception is an illusion and how it's not
Stranger 1: I’m tired, I rode a bike today and ran. Tomorrow I go to the gym after work and train with guys who are stronger than me. In my idle time I’m here
Stranger 1: Effecting things
Stranger 1: as much as I can
Stranger 1: And you know what I noticed?
Stranger 2: And actually since all of this is my perception, that also means this world is mine
Stranger 2: You are effecting things on Omegle? I'm curious about this really.
Stranger 1: The internet is more useful as a tool of disruption and disinfo than providing any useful content
Stranger 1: I got three other conversations going
Stranger 2: Internet is a different source of information
Stranger 1: My macbook is great I just speak and my words appear :)
Stranger 2: You could have 100 more I still wouldn't get how you are impacting things on Omegle
Stranger 2: Internet is not meant to be used like a standard medium
Stranger 1: For example I might have convinced a 13yr old to run away from her parents
Stranger 1: And another guy was asking me what he should do when he graduates and I got him interested in the navy
Stranger 2: If you want to use it, you have to take all divergent informations and make a spectrum out of it
Stranger 1: Even though the navy almost ruined my life
Stranger 2: Run away from her parents? Why so?
Stranger 1: She’s been saying they won’t let her see her 19yr old boyfriend
Stranger 1: fancy that
Stranger 2: Looks like you got trolled if you ask me.
Stranger 1: No I have her fb
Stranger 1: It’s real
Stranger 2: Troll fb exist also
Stranger 2: You don't know if it's real until you see her.
Stranger 1: We’ll see she wants me to Skype
Stranger 1: derp
Stranger 2: "You" will see
Stranger 2: I have no interest in that
Stranger 1: You don’t think I know that?
Stranger 1: And how do you know you’re not being trolled?
Stranger 2: I think you are making up many things, and there are many people making up things also
Stranger 2: Actually I know it's a possibility
Stranger 1: But you persist
Stranger 2: But, like the internet, there are ways to not be affected by that
Stranger 1: EXACTLY
Stranger 1: Not be affected
Stranger 1: cie la vie
Stranger 1: Now you’re getting it
Stranger 2: I'm persisting in doing what?
Stranger 1: And starting to understand where I’m coming from
Stranger 2: I didn't mean emotionnally
Stranger 2: I just understand you don't get concepts are also bound to a space of application
Stranger 2: When I say not affected
Stranger 2: I don't mean not emotionnally affected
Stranger 2: I mean statistically
Stranger 2: You should try some signal processing course
Stranger 1: well you’ll get burnt out of those too
Stranger 2: You'd get what I mean
Stranger 1: You’re still young
Stranger 2: Burnt out of what?
Stranger 1: emotional affectations
Stranger 2: How do you know I didn't think about that either
Stranger 1: Once your brain chemistry settles down you’ll find life mostly emotionally monotonous
Stranger 2: I said not being affected was about statistics in that case
Stranger 2: I never said I "could" be emotionnally affected by such a thing
Stranger 2: I already find it monotonous
Stranger 2: That's because emotions are not the thing to follow
Stranger 2: Just like instincts are not the thing to follow either
Stranger 1: why the fuck not?
Stranger 2: That's why something related to a basic instinct as a last life move sounds silly to me
Stranger 2: That's exactly the same thing
Stranger 1: wrong
Stranger 2: You don't know anything about me or about what I did
Stranger 2: You have unsatisfied instincts
Stranger 1: when I want to fuck trust me bro it’s not an emotional component of my being
Stranger 2: So you think instincts are different
Stranger 1: absolutely
Stranger 2: Reality is that over time, instincts can be satisfied just like feelings
Stranger 1: emotions are thought reactions to instincts
Stranger 1: They’re sort of an osmosis
Stranger 2: The only difference "for you" is that you satisfied your emotions but not your instincts
Stranger 2: Emotions are not thoughts
Stranger 1: Wrong they arise out of thinking
Stranger 1: If you don’t think you don’t feel
Stranger 1: Except sensation
Stranger 2: They are just in a layer of your brain, a different one
Stranger 1: Which triggers instinct
Stranger 2: Well actually, they don't arise from thinking, not fully
Stranger 2: You are free to think what you want
Stranger 1: My wife is home I’m gonna go fill my belly with good food, fuck and call it a night
Stranger 2: But I know that instincts have the same nature about monotony than emotions
Stranger 2: I don't need to prove it to you
Stranger 2: That's why I understood it was not the way
Stranger 1: You got a your comeuppance
Stranger 2: And I didn't get your sentence
Stranger 2: Just remember you live in the planet you chose
Stranger 1: in?
Stranger 2: If you live in violence and slavery, you will die chained and violated
Stranger 1: Am I subterranean now?
Stranger 2: But you already feel that, right?
Stranger 2: You are what you want to be
Stranger 1: you’ll figure this out later when you’ve had enough repeat experiences
Stranger 2: I don't need to repeat experiences
Stranger 1: That you are chained and violated every day of your life no matter what your perception is
Stranger 1: Such is death my friend
Stranger 2: That's the point to me, get an experience, process it, never live it again
Stranger 1: It’s why we die
Stranger 1: But that’s another debate
Stranger 2: You are violated each day because you are a slave
Stranger 2: You can choose not to be
Stranger 1: You’re in the same boat don’t rock it
Stranger 1: or rock it and try to tip it over maybe I’ll join ya
Stranger 2: But you are lazy, because at the end of the day, you are not sad enough to change things ;)
Stranger 1: we’ll drown but it might be fun
Stranger 2: You shouldn't follow
Stranger 2: If you want to try, try it
Stranger 2: Don't follow, find your way
Stranger 1: I’m happy enough to accept things as they are and not try to change what is beyond the scope of daily life
Stranger 2: You accept what you want to accept, and so do I
Stranger 2: Then you live your life...daily
Stranger 1: contingent upon death being an uncertain certainty
Stranger 2: And if it's okay for you, fine by me
Stranger 2: Well it's all about beliefs
Stranger 1: It’s not
Stranger 1: Hasta
Stranger 1 has disconnected