Title: PurpleTinker Skype Log 1 Author: Anonymous Pastebin link: http://pastebin.com/Te06tqEg First Edit: Wednesday 22nd of August 2012 08:55:31 PM CDT Last Edit: Wednesday 22nd of August 2012 08:55:31 PM CDT [8:00:50 PM] MuffinOfFun: I don't got a mic. [8:01:19 PM] Purple Tinker: Do you got a phone? [8:01:30 PM] MuffinOfFun: I'd rather just text chat. [8:01:37 PM] MuffinOfFun: Makes it easier for both of us. [8:01:40 PM] Purple Tinker: I'd rather hear your voice so I KNOW you aren't one of my CG friends. [8:02:06 PM] MuffinOfFun: I live in New England, trust me I'm not from CG. [8:02:12 PM] Purple Tinker: Prove it. [8:02:16 PM] Purple Tinker: What's your phone number? [8:02:22 PM] Purple Tinker: I have Tara Strong's and Andrea Libman's; yours is nothing. [8:02:47 PM] MuffinOfFun: Hold on a second, I need to go to the bathroom I'll have my number when I get back. [8:02:52 PM] Purple Tinker: Fair enough. [8:05:51 PM] MuffinOfFun: My number is 781-520-0426 [8:05:57 PM] Purple Tinker: Alright, hang on. [8:06:58 PM] Purple Tinker: goes to voicemail. [8:07:09 PM] MuffinOfFun: Odd. [8:07:26 PM] MuffinOfFun: It's a prepaid phone so maybe it's out of minutes. [8:07:37 PM] Purple Tinker: It rang a few times. [8:07:46 PM] Purple Tinker: I don't think they do that when you're out. They go straight to VM. [8:07:46 PM] MuffinOfFun: Either way I can assure you with 100% honesty that I'm NOT from CG. [8:07:56 PM] MuffinOfFun: I didn't ring. [8:07:59 PM] Purple Tinker: I'm sure you understand why I'm not going to trust an assertion like that. [8:08:05 PM] MuffinOfFun: I understand. [8:08:07 PM] Purple Tinker: You have a laptop? [8:08:55 PM] MuffinOfFun: No. [8:09:06 PM] Purple Tinker: Oh. Because laptops have mics built right in. [8:09:40 PM] MuffinOfFun: I might have one lying around, it's shitty and is horribly inconsistent so I'll just use it to prove I'm not from CG. [8:09:47 PM] MuffinOfFun: Then we can talk in chat the rest of the way [8:09:48 PM] Purple Tinker: Good enough for me. [8:09:54 PM] MuffinOfFun: in text [8:09:57 PM] Purple Tinker: That's fine.   *called to verify that I'm legit* [8:14:02 PM] Purple Tinker: Now, having established that you aren't one of the CG people, unless you're good at voice changing. [8:14:05 PM] Purple Tinker: Which I doubt. [8:14:15 PM] Purple Tinker: Let me ask you: What motivated you to post this thread? [8:14:27 PM] Purple Tinker: And by the way, I already know every word of this will end up getting reposted across the Internet. [8:14:34 PM] Purple Tinker: I will stand by my words. [8:15:16 PM] MuffinOfFun: Well I'm going to assume that you will be willing to answer questions as well, am I correct? [8:15:22 PM] Purple Tinker: Yes, but with one caveat. [8:15:38 PM] Purple Tinker: The INSTANT you slur me for being trans, or call me a 'he', this conversation is over. [8:16:00 PM] Purple Tinker: Even once. [8:16:00 PM] MuffinOfFun: I can assure that will not happen. [8:16:05 PM] Purple Tinker: Go on then. [8:16:25 PM] Purple Tinker: I've noticed a pattern. Every time I post anything about CG, a 4chan thread against me appears within the day. [8:16:31 PM] Purple Tinker: It's like clockwork. It isn't a coincidence. [8:16:37 PM] Purple Tinker: Have you posted these threads in the past? [8:16:48 PM] MuffinOfFun: Nope, it's the first one. [8:17:13 PM] MuffinOfFun: However as for this connection that you see with CG, it's honestly kind of false. [8:17:37 PM] MuffinOfFun: There's really only two reasons threads about you get made and none are about CG. [8:18:22 PM] MuffinOfFun: The reason's why it may appear that it's because of CG is because people like drama and with all due respect you tend to be at the center of it. [8:18:30 PM] Purple Tinker: But it's always the same drama. [8:18:33 PM] Purple Tinker: Surely people are getting bored. [8:18:39 PM] Purple Tinker: The story hasn't changed in 8 months. [8:18:52 PM] MuffinOfFun: Even if you do continue to bring it up. [8:19:28 PM] MuffinOfFun: Now for a question of mine. [8:21:04 PM] MuffinOfFun: On your twitter I've noticed you have a habit of banning people who make good, logical points. Why? I mean many aren't exactly making personal attacks, or jokes about your gender. They're just asking simple, reasonable questions. [8:21:18 PM] Purple Tinker: First of all, if it's a brand new account, I just ban it, period. [8:21:25 PM] Purple Tinker: Sometimes even before they open their mouths. [8:21:37 PM] Purple Tinker: Because they're trolls, creating new temp accounts to try to be anonymous. [8:21:57 PM] Purple Tinker: I don't respect anonymity. I don't respect the culture of facelessness and irresponsibility your generation has built. [8:21:18 PM] Purple Tinker: First of all, if it's a brand new account, I just ban it, period. [8:21:25 PM] Purple Tinker: Sometimes even before they open their mouths. [8:21:37 PM] Purple Tinker: Because they're trolls, creating new temp accounts to try to be anonymous. [8:21:57 PM] Purple Tinker: I don't respect anonymity. I don't respect the culture of facelessness and irresponsibility your generation has built. [8:22:42 PM] Purple Tinker: If someone accuses me of 'embezzling' or 'stealing'-- that's old bullshit that was debunked months ago. Not only was it false, it was literally impossible. [8:22:44 PM] MuffinOfFun: But for the ones that are, they get the same treatment. [8:22:53 PM] Purple Tinker: Can you give an example? [8:23:16 PM] MuffinOfFun: It's hard to find them when you block them all. [8:23:31 PM] Purple Tinker: Surely you can remember ONE? [8:24:39 PM] MuffinOfFun: Well, one I can remember on the top of my head was simply why you ban people. Like I just asked. I don't remember the name but it was quite logical. [8:24:46 PM] MuffinOfFun: Not rude or anything. [8:25:25 PM] Purple Tinker: Well, I just answered that one. I don't talk to trolls. I don't talk to temporary quasi-anon accounts. [8:25:59 PM] MuffinOfFun: Well the thing is 90% of people on the internet come off as anonymous. Even you do. [8:26:22 PM] Purple Tinker: Don't make me laugh. [8:26:31 PM] MuffinOfFun: I mean sure, I could look up your name since your quite prolific but for most people I can't. [8:26:36 PM] MuffinOfFun: It's just the nature of the internet. [8:26:58 PM] MuffinOfFun: Writing them off for that simple fact is foolish. [8:27:05 PM] Purple Tinker: To some extent. In the olden days, email addresses were relatively fixed and easy to tie to a specific person. It discouraged things like slurring and random acts of hatred. [8:27:15 PM] Purple Tinker: And I disagree. Do you follow Penny-Arcade? [8:27:29 PM] MuffinOfFun: No, why? [8:27:31 PM] Purple Tinker: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/ [8:27:38 PM] Purple Tinker: That is what happens when you give people anonymity and an audience. [8:28:46 PM] Purple Tinker: That's 4chan, right there, on that blackboard. [8:29:21 PM] MuffinOfFun: And? As I've said the nature of the internet and many sites and services such as Skype don't encourage showing off every bit personal information. It's just how it is. If you refuse to you're severely limiting who you can talk to. [8:29:59 PM] Purple Tinker: I honestly don't care. [8:29:59 PM] MuffinOfFun: I mean even when people act like dicks they can still have a point [8:30:08 PM] Purple Tinker: When you call someone a slur word, you've lost. [8:30:28 PM] Purple Tinker: And you 4channers have proven, over and over again, that you are incapable of running a thread without it turning into 'HERP DERP HE'S A MAN TRANNY MAN'. [8:30:42 PM] Purple Tinker: At which point any arguments you had go straight out the window. [8:30:45 PM] MuffinOfFun: You are aware people have been mostly stopping that right? [8:31:01 PM] Purple Tinker: Do you want me to look at the most recent thread and count the number of times 'tranny' or 'man' or 'he' is present? [8:31:14 PM] MuffinOfFun: I never said everyone was gonna listen. [8:31:20 PM] Purple Tinker: One's too many. [8:31:51 PM] MuffinOfFun: Because one person called you a 'tranny' everyone is discredited? [8:31:55 PM] Purple Tinker: Anonymity creates a system that tolerates slurring and bigotry. It's impossible to hold a serious conversation when every third post is 'HERP DERP TRANNY HERP PENIS'. [8:32:14 PM] Purple Tinker: Not to mention when you can't even tell who the fuck you're talking to. [8:32:18 PM] Purple Tinker: since everyone is 'Anonymous'. [8:32:31 PM] MuffinOfFun: You've been on the internet long enough surely you're used to it. [8:32:39 PM] Purple Tinker: I was never into 4chan. [8:32:47 PM] MuffinOfFun: It's not just 4chan. [8:32:50 PM] Purple Tinker: I mostly used MU*s, text-based systems where everyone has a name. [8:33:00 PM] Purple Tinker: and a unique database reference number. You cannot become anonymous. [8:33:01 PM] MuffinOfFun: How do you know it's real? [8:33:08 PM] Purple Tinker: How do I know what's real? [8:33:33 PM] MuffinOfFun: The name they put in? Their reference number? [8:33:42 PM] MuffinOfFun: There's a workaround for everything. [8:33:48 PM] Purple Tinker: Because I used to RUN systems on the same software as the MU*s I'm on. [8:33:52 PM] Purple Tinker: I know PRECISELY how they work. [8:34:05 PM] Purple Tinker: It's a different system for a different audienced. [8:34:12 PM] Purple Tinker: An audience NOT concerned with anonymity at all costs. [8:34:23 PM] Purple Tinker: Anyways, this conversation really isn't going anywhere at all. [8:34:38 PM] MuffinOfFun: Yes, I have more questions anyways. [8:34:48 PM] Purple Tinker: By the way, the rape joke on your pic is kind of gross. [8:34:59 PM] MuffinOfFun: Glad you like it. [8:35:13 PM] Purple Tinker: I was saying it was tasteless and vulgar, and by extension you are the same. [8:35:36 PM] MuffinOfFun: Well I did make a thread about you so I figured you wouldn't have a high opinion of me. [8:35:44 PM] Purple Tinker: I'm more curious than anything. [8:36:08 PM] Purple Tinker: You don't know me. I don't know you. Everything I've been saying has been rehashed over and over for nearly 8 months. What could possibly motivate you to post a thread about the same old shit? [8:36:50 PM] Purple Tinker: Nothing new EVER comes out of these things. [8:37:12 PM] Purple Tinker: People post meme pix of me, the same old stupid rumours get trotted out, people call me a 'dude' and 'Blankmann' and 'Jon' and talk about how ugly I am, someone occasionally tosses in an unflattering photo. [8:37:37 PM] Purple Tinker: Then some high-minded idiot talks about how to take me down, which is laughable since there's literally nothing any of you kids can do to harm me. [8:37:37 PM] Purple Tinker: Then some high-minded idiot talks about how to take me down, which is laughable since there's literally nothing any of you kids can do to harm me. [8:37:50 PM] Purple Tinker: Then, the next time I badmouth CG... lather, rinse, repeat. [8:37:52 PM] Purple Tinker: Same old, same old. [8:37:53 PM] Purple Tinker: Why? [8:38:18 PM] MuffinOfFun: As I've said it has nothing to with CG, just drama. [8:38:26 PM] MuffinOfFun: But anyways next question. [8:39:44 PM] MuffinOfFun: Why do you bring in people who work on the show? I mean we saw you messaging Lauren Faust about your dilemma and a lot of people saw it as you trying to gain sympathy. I just want to know your motivation for doing that? [8:40:11 PM] Purple Tinker: I thought I already explained that several times on Twitter. [8:40:19 PM] Purple Tinker: Lauren Faust's values ARE the show's values. [8:40:52 PM] Purple Tinker: And Lauren and I are friends. She has respect for me; I have respect for her. Nothing any of you 4chan kids can do can change that. She's far too intelligent to be manipulated by anyone, let alone a bunch of trolling teenagers. [8:41:00 PM] Purple Tinker: What CG did violates the values of the show. [8:41:02 PM] Purple Tinker: They violate her values. [8:41:04 PM] Purple Tinker: They violate my values. [8:41:19 PM] Purple Tinker: They're the same basic values: Friendship, loyalty, honesty, et cetera... basic components of being a DECENT PERSON. [8:42:37 PM] Purple Tinker: What I did was essentially make a plea for a Word Of God, public statement affirming that things like slurring a trans person for being trans are disgusting, as per the values of the show-- her values-- the values which our community is supposed to uphold, and which 4chan absolutely doesn't. [8:43:23 PM] Purple Tinker: She provided that Word Of God. Essentially, it was a way of shaming the people by showing them that even the creator of the show itself was horrified by what they did-- that they are, basically, shitty bronies, bad representatives of our community, people who don't follow the values of the show. [8:43:31 PM] Purple Tinker: And by the way, they aren't good values because they're from the show. They're just good values, period. [8:43:59 PM] Purple Tinker: You could incorporate the same elements into any other show, or even just a basic philosophical treatise, and they'd be just as sound. They're things any decent person should embrace. [8:44:08 PM] MuffinOfFun: So what you're saying is you used Lauren Faust as a means to shame people you didn't like? [8:44:25 PM] Purple Tinker: No. [8:44:48 PM] Purple Tinker: As a means to affirm that what I've been saying this whole time-- that slurring people for who and what they are-- is absolutely incompatible with the values of our community. [8:44:55 PM] Purple Tinker: There are plenty of people I don't like. [8:45:04 PM] Purple Tinker: But calling someone slurs crosses a line. [8:45:18 PM] Purple Tinker: Apparently, it was a lesson some people needed to hear from on high. [8:45:33 PM] Purple Tinker: After Lauren basically told Chain Algorithm he did something awful, he apologised. [8:45:36 PM] MuffinOfFun: Everyone has different values, the brony community is quite diverse. I mean it's a TV show not a religion. [8:45:50 PM] Purple Tinker: I'm an atheist. I don't have a religion. But I do have a sense of right and wrong. [8:46:05 PM] Purple Tinker: And calling someone slurs based on their identity or nature goes against that moral code. [8:46:23 PM] MuffinOfFun: Besides isn't the your kind of mantra is love and tolerate? [8:46:31 PM] Purple Tinker: No. [8:46:41 PM] Purple Tinker: You know as well as I do that that's an old /b/ joke. [8:47:12 PM] MuffinOfFun: Well it has more or less been adopted by many bronies. [8:47:19 PM] Purple Tinker: Not by me. [8:47:21 PM] Purple Tinker: There are things that should not be loved. There are things that should not be tolerated. Should I love and tolerate Chick-fil-A for discriminating against people like me? Should I love and tolerate 4chan for calling people 'nigger' and 'faggot' and 'tranny'? [8:47:38 PM] Purple Tinker: The show isn't about universal tolerance. Did the ponies tolerate Gilda? No, because she was fucking evil. [8:47:51 PM] Purple Tinker: And evil shouldn't be tolerated, it should be fought. [8:48:05 PM] Purple Tinker: Basic ethical precepts here. Not rocket science. [8:48:34 PM] Purple Tinker: Another thing you aren't considering: [8:49:02 PM] Purple Tinker: By convincing Chain Algorithm, a relatively well-respected musician in the community, to apologise, he may have saved his own career in said community. [8:49:16 PM] Purple Tinker: Because had he NOT apologised, I would have hounded him until his career was in smoking ruins for what he did. [8:49:24 PM] Purple Tinker: So the end result was quite good. [8:49:43 PM] Purple Tinker: I know, this whole 'right and wrong' concept is very alien to you. [8:49:52 PM] Purple Tinker: You'd probably push your own mother down a flight of stairs to collect the insurance money. [8:50:32 PM] MuffinOfFun: Thanks for the compliment. I know you said that you'd only do this if I didn't insult you so I'd appreciate if you did the same. [8:50:50 PM] Purple Tinker: No, I said I'd only do this if you didn't SLUR me. [8:51:01 PM] Purple Tinker: But point taken. [8:51:19 PM] Purple Tinker: Anyways, I am what you kiddies call a 'moralfag', and I am quite proud of it. [8:51:32 PM] Purple Tinker: I care about right and wrong, and I care about what is best for this community-- not in the short term, but in the long term. [8:51:52 PM] Purple Tinker: And in the long term, the community would benefit from conventions being run by good people, not slimy Hollywood rejects and thieves. [8:51:56 PM] MuffinOfFun: I get your point. [8:53:00 PM] MuffinOfFun: Howver I must ask, why not move on? I mean you may have had bad experience in this fandom so why not go somewhere else? Just leave this all behind. I mean after all you've admitted you don't even like MLP anymore. [8:53:12 PM] Purple Tinker: I'm not going to let you get away with that, you know. [8:53:21 PM] MuffinOfFun: Get away with what? [8:53:23 PM] Purple Tinker: Lying. [8:53:28 PM] MuffinOfFun: Lying? [8:53:29 PM] Purple Tinker: You've read my Rumour Control post, I'm sure. [8:53:59 PM] Purple Tinker: Claim: "Purple Tinker doesn't even care about the fandom" / "Purple Tinker isn't even a real brony" / "Purple Tinker hates ponies". Reality: I am certainly a brony, and I love (and loved) the fandom. There were a few weeks, when I was under incredible amounts of stress, when I was burned out on ponies and the fandom. Nonetheless, I pulled through those stressful times, and I still love ponies and the brony community.   Nobody would put as much time and worry into building a convention if they hated the fandom. It just isn't worth that much stress; it's an insanely stressful position with little or no financial payoff. I could have been doing more computer consulting work and raking in the dough (with FAR less stress), but I chose to help the community instead (and slack off on my consulting clients-- and, towards the end, even my day job).   Evidence: Here's a photo of my old desk at work. Does this look like the desk of someone who doesn't like ponies? [8:54:41 PM] MuffinOfFun: I do recall hearing you say it on record. [8:54:54 PM] Purple Tinker: Yes. At that time, at the lowest point in my life, I was burned out. [8:55:03 PM] Purple Tinker: People sometimes get burned out on a thing temporarily. [8:55:28 PM] Purple Tinker: I'm sure you are capable of understanding this. You aren't mentally retarded. [8:55:29 PM] MuffinOfFun: Still, why not move on from the fandom? [8:55:37 PM] Purple Tinker: Because I still like the fandom. [8:55:43 PM] Purple Tinker: And the show. [8:56:09 PM] MuffinOfFun: But the fandom has given you nothing but grief but in all honesty a lot of people don't want you here anymore. [8:55:43 PM] Purple Tinker: And the show. [8:56:09 PM] MuffinOfFun: But the fandom has given you nothing but grief but in all honesty a lot of people don't want you here anymore. [8:57:34 PM] Purple Tinker: I'm influencing the course of the fandom to minimise the influence of people like Nanashi and Sean and maximise the influence of decent people like the TrotCon staff. [8:58:11 PM] MuffinOfFun: So what you're saying is that you're trying to pick and choose who gets to influence the fandom? [8:58:14 PM] Purple Tinker: Yes. [8:58:17 PM] MuffinOfFun: What gives you that right? [8:58:39 PM] Purple Tinker: I created the brony convention scene. I feel a sense of responsinbility to ensure that it doesn't become dominated by corporate weasels like Sean or Klisk. [8:59:18 PM] MuffinOfFun: What makes you think you "created" the brony convention scene? I'm sure you weren't the only person involved. [8:59:27 PM] Purple Tinker: I created the first, and still biggest, brony convention. [8:59:30 PM] Purple Tinker: I ran the first three events. [8:59:38 PM] Purple Tinker: Every subsequent con is an imitator or spinoff of what I built. [9:00:02 PM] MuffinOfFun: That's a bit self-centered. [9:00:08 PM] Purple Tinker: It's fact. [9:00:27 PM] Purple Tinker: BronyCon defined what a brony convention looks like, feels like, much like how ConFurence defined what a furry convention looks and feels like. [9:00:37 PM] Purple Tinker: And it's funny to be lectured about morality by someone whose avatar has a rape joke on it. [9:01:04 PM] MuffinOfFun: I'm no sure how that's relevant, or how I'm lecturing you on morality. [9:01:16 PM] MuffinOfFun: But nevertheless. [9:01:30 PM] Purple Tinker: I laid the foundations for this scene. [9:01:39 PM] Purple Tinker: In the business world, assholes tend to rise to the top. [9:01:45 PM] Purple Tinker: In government, assholes tend to rise to the top. [9:01:49 PM] Purple Tinker: I cannot change that. [9:02:03 PM] Purple Tinker: But here, I have enough influence to make a difference, make it harder for the assholes to rise to the top of this tiny little ecosystem of ours. [9:02:16 PM] Purple Tinker: And nothing you or any of your teenaged buddies can say can or will change my devotion to doing just that. [9:02:19 PM] Purple Tinker: I am fighting for YOU. [9:02:25 PM] MuffinOfFun: Really? [9:02:28 PM] Purple Tinker: Even if you don't want it, or think I have the right. [9:03:02 PM] Purple Tinker: I am fighting to ensure that the people running the conventions that ordinary bronies like you go to are decent people, fair people, not people who will cheat you, or fuck over the guests, or fuck over the artists, or simply be dicks. [9:03:31 PM] Purple Tinker: They don't have to 'agree with me'. But they have to meet some basic standards of human decency. [9:04:06 PM] MuffinOfFun: What makes you believe you're qualified to speak for me? Was their an election? You're just seemingly giving yourself the title because you feel morally superior. [9:04:22 PM] Purple Tinker: I am speaking with a boy who has a rape joke on his avatar; I AM morally superior. [9:05:00 PM] MuffinOfFun: 1. Don't talk down to me. 2. People have a different sense of humor than you do. [9:05:06 PM] Purple Tinker: Rape jokes aren't funny. [9:05:24 PM] MuffinOfFun: I found this one funny. End of this topic. [9:05:37 PM] Purple Tinker: My point is: [9:06:05 PM] Purple Tinker: It isn't about 'speaking for you'. It's about manipulating things behind the scenes to avoid an outcome which would hurt you, or others like you, or the artists, or the guests. [9:06:17 PM] Purple Tinker: I'm not sure you've noticed, but Canterlot Gardens has been making more and more enemies lately. [9:06:24 PM] MuffinOfFun: Like who? [9:06:26 PM] Purple Tinker: They fucked over Bronyville, for instance, and the Traveling Pony Museum. [9:06:34 PM] Purple Tinker: They really pissed off TrotCon. [9:06:44 PM] Purple Tinker: They spread rumours about Trotcon too, just like they spread rumours about me. [9:06:51 PM] Purple Tinker: In the c ase of TrotCon, the rumours were 'TrotCon is a clopper's convention!!!!'. [9:06:54 PM] Purple Tinker: Which, of course, it wasn't. [9:07:15 PM] MuffinOfFun: I need sources on these. [9:07:17 PM] Purple Tinker: They even sent some of their slimy little staffers there to spy around, and one of them whined about how 'THERE WAS ADULT ART FOR SALE!!11', trying to stir up hate against TrotCon because it' competes' with CG. [9:07:31 PM] Purple Tinker: I have a source for Bronyville. [9:07:34 PM] Purple Tinker: It was posted publically. [9:07:41 PM] Purple Tinker: As for TPM... let me dig through my chat history, one moment please. [9:07:44 PM] Purple Tinker: First, Bronyville. [9:08:07 PM] Purple Tinker: http://bronyshow.com/?p=901 [9:08:11 PM] Purple Tinker: TPM coming right up. [9:10:06 PM] MuffinOfFun: I don't see the problem with Bronyville, they screwed up sure but it's nothing to hate them about. [9:11:18 PM] Purple Tinker: It's only one small element of a pattern of neglect, apathy and incompetence. [9:11:43 PM] MuffinOfFun: Even then so what? Why have this vendetta against them? [9:12:23 PM] Purple Tinker: Because they are evil people. They harnessed transphobia against their 'enemy' (me) despite the fact that half of THEM are LGBT themselves. They did whatever they could to destroy me, even if it was utterly hypocritical, cynical and Machiavellian. [9:13:10 PM] MuffinOfFun: So what your saying is that a whole convention is run by 'evil' people who are conspiring against you? [9:13:33 PM] MuffinOfFun: I mean, you can see why I find that silly. [9:13:45 PM] Purple Tinker: Four of the five core staffers. [9:14:16 PM] Purple Tinker: did you even READ what I posted on my dA? [9:14:35 PM] Purple Tinker: I gave numerous examples linking the contents of that first 4chan hate thread, plus meme pictures, back to specific CG staffers. [9:15:11 PM] MuffinOfFun: I have no knowledge of this so I'd appreciate if you could link me to this. [9:15:20 PM] MuffinOfFun: For the record. [9:16:57 PM] Purple Tinker: It's in http://purpletinker.deviantart.com/journal/Why-I-Wasn-t-At-Everfree-Northwest-322223498 [9:17:02 PM] Purple Tinker: The very post that your thread is presumably in response to. [9:17:06 PM] Purple Tinker: Unless you were just reacting to my Tweets. [9:17:18 PM] Purple Tinker: Did you read that yet? [9:17:28 PM] MuffinOfFun: No. [9:17:39 PM] Purple Tinker: So you've been mocking me in this thread all this time, and you didn't even read what I had to say? [9:18:32 PM] MuffinOfFun: I have, just not this in particular. [9:18:51 PM] MuffinOfFun: Regardless I don't see any evidence of CG staffers posting anything. [9:19:02 PM] Purple Tinker: Look at the comments: [9:19:21 PM] Purple Tinker: CG's involvement in the hate thread is 100%, undeniable, proveable fact.   1) There was a post (reference the archival copy of the hate thread at [link]) which basically said 'email me for more details' and claimed that if you proved you were neither Tinker nor Andrew (my successor, who was falsely claimed to be my "puppet"), this person would prove their own identity and connection to BronyCon and confirm all the shit-talking on the thread.   I have been told that when you emailed this person and proved your identity, you were put in touch with Nanashi Tanaka, CG's con chair.   But you don't have to take my second-hoof hearsay for granted. The email address in question is 'asamitora@yahoo.com'. Try going to Google and searching for:   asamitora site:deviantart.com   You will notice the references to the now-defunct dA account ~Altar-the-Wolf drawing the character 'Officer Asami Tora'. ~Altar-the-Wolf is Nanashi's old dA account.   2) The meme picture at [link] references my birth (male) name. Among bronies, this was NOT common knowledge. In fact, only those who shared my apartment (and thus had access to my paperwork and mail-- some IRS documents are still in my old name) knew it. Nanashi Tanaka, their con org, shared my apartment and had access to that name. Therefore, he shared it.   3) The REASON why Nanashi divulged my birth name is because he (and CG "investor" Sean Levine) learned, through firsthand experience, that it bothers me to be referred to as a male. In fact, this is referenced in another meme image-- one which alludes to an event which ONLY Nanashi and Sean were present for. (I was at a supermarket, and the clerk addressed me as a male, because I had some visible whiskers on my face. I became so upset that I left the market immediately.) [9:19:30 PM] Purple Tinker: This particular meme is at [link] (trigger warning: VERY othering for trans women).   4) This meme: [link] is a reference to an argument I frequently had with Sean Levine. He saw BronyCon as a business. I saw it as a community effort, a labour of love. He once told me "people don't start conventions like this because they DON'T make money; they start conventions like this because they DO make money." Then a bunch of meme pictures appeared falsely accusing me of profiteering off bronies. (See 'Rumour Control' for the rebuttal to that.)   5) This meme: [link] is a reference to an press release I was drafting for potential release in the event that Hasbro decided to prohibit the VAs from showing. It was far more mild than the histrionic meme makes it out to be. It was also ONLY SHARED WITH BRONYCON STAFFERS. At the time, several current CG staffers were on BronyCon's staff.   6) This meme: [link] is a reference to how I mocked Nanashi Tanaka for immediately spending a huge proportion of the $6,000 payment which Sean basically insisted I give him (him == Nanashi) on clothing, including a ridiculous half-length black cape which makes him resemble Nibbler from 'Futurama'. Only BronyCon insiders (including at least one current or former CG staffer) were aware of this.   7) This meme: [link] is a reference to how I was growing impatient with a certain gentleman from Hasbro when they interfered (for the second time in a month) with our pre-existing agreements with show staff. I wanted to call him until he actually picked up his phone; Klisk, currently CG's head of PR and at the time BronyCon's head of PR, wanted me to wait and be patient, while every day I waited the risk grew higher. Again, only BronyCon insiders were privy to this information. Klisk was the only current CG staffer (unless you count their hireling AV tech, Kezz) who was on the BronyCon staff at the time; therefore, this information was almost certainly leaked by Klisk.   8) This meme: [link] is a reference to how I kept calling Klisk when he was supposed to help with an important call to Hasbro. Again, leaked by Klisk. He was most likely reporting back to his CG cronies while he was working for BronyCon. (Or, possibly, he leaked all this crap after he left the BronyCon staff.) I made a critical error in trying to get him back on board with BronyCon.   9) This meme: [link] is a reference to my initial reticence to allow Toys for Tots into the convention, due to their affiliation with the military. Again, only BronyCon insiders were privy to this. (In the end, I DID do charity work which benefited Toys for Tots, like the poster auctions after BroNYCon January 2012.)   10) The leaked documents could ONLY have been leaked by CG staff. (For instance, the recording of a private, two-party audio conversation between myself and their head of PR Klisk could ONLY have been leaked by myself or Klisk-- and it obviously wasn't myself.) Now, it's possible that they could have leaked it to *someone else*, who in turn posted them on 4chan-- but, as their con org's involvement in the thread has already been proven, it's undeniable that CG was aware of the thread and participating in it. [9:19:55 PM] Purple Tinker: Permalink, right here. http://comments.deviantart.com/1/322223498/2705791348 [9:21:11 PM] MuffinOfFun: You ever think maybe they're from people who heard about these instances from other sources? [9:21:15 PM] MuffinOfFun: It is possible. [9:23:13 PM] MuffinOfFun: I mean I haven't seen any concrete evidence for these accusations. [9:23:55 PM] MuffinOfFun: Tinker? [9:26:08 PM] MuffinOfFun: Are you there? [9:27:16 PM] Purple Tinker: Yes, I was just catching up with the thread. Lovely as always. [9:27:28 PM] MuffinOfFun: That it is. [9:27:42 PM] Purple Tinker: And does it really matter if they leaked things to a third party, who then posted them to the site, or if they leaked them directly to the site? [9:27:52 PM] Purple Tinker: They leaked information calculated to destroy their 'enemy' (me). [9:27:56 PM] Purple Tinker: It's a dick move. [9:28:15 PM] MuffinOfFun: How do you know that was their motivation? [9:28:16 PM] Purple Tinker: Anyways, I've already established Nanashi's direct involvement in the thread, so that's moot. [9:28:44 PM] Purple Tinker: Because they'd already tried to persuade me to give them logistical and financial control of BronyCon. [9:28:47 PM] Purple Tinker: That was their goal. [9:28:49 PM] Purple Tinker: They wanted to be on top. [9:28:50 PM] Purple Tinker: They still do. [9:28:56 PM] Purple Tinker: Everything they do is towards that goal. [9:29:02 PM] Purple Tinker: They want to run the biggest convention-- at ANY cost. [9:29:10 PM] Purple Tinker: If they have to backstab everyone around them to do that, they will. [9:29:29 PM] MuffinOfFun: That sounds a tad paranoid. [9:29:33 PM] MuffinOfFun: Just saying. [9:29:48 PM] MuffinOfFun: I mean, do you have any evidence that all these people are out to get you? [9:30:18 PM] Purple Tinker: Yes. The fact that they deliberately leaked a shit-ton of information designed to make me look bad. [9:30:24 PM] Purple Tinker: An audio recording of me on one of the worst days of my life. [9:30:39 PM] Purple Tinker: A private chat log of me in a similarly distraught state. [9:30:55 PM] Purple Tinker: Lots and lots of stuff about my gender expression and appearance, carefully chosen to upset me the most. [9:31:45 PM] MuffinOfFun: Even if that's what happened, so what? It's over and done with. Just let it go and people will leave you alone. [9:31:57 PM] Purple Tinker: Let me ask you point blank: Would good people do that sort of thing? [9:32:09 PM] MuffinOfFun: Yes [9:32:20 PM] Purple Tinker: Good people would deliberately smear someone like that [9:32:21 PM] Purple Tinker: ? [9:32:23 PM] MuffinOfFun: Don't feed the trolls. [9:32:34 PM] MuffinOfFun: Simple. [9:32:44 PM] Purple Tinker: I'm not sure you're answering the question I actually asked. [9:32:59 PM] MuffinOfFun: I don't care about them. [9:33:10 PM] Purple Tinker: I don't care if you care; I'm asking you this question, and you're going to answer it. [9:33:13 PM] Purple Tinker: I've humoured you for long enough. [9:33:20 PM] Purple Tinker: I am asking you if good people would deliberately smear someone and try to provoke them to be miserable by releasing things carefully chosen to upset them, to hurt them. [9:33:48 PM] Purple Tinker: Is that how a nice guy acts? [9:33:53 PM] MuffinOfFun: When you put it that way no, but I'm sure if I talked to them they'd have a different perspective. [9:34:02 PM] Purple Tinker: No, they'd PRESENT a different perspective. [9:34:07 PM] Purple Tinker: They have no delusions of being good people. [9:34:17 PM] Purple Tinker: Sean once told me, in as many words, that he'd be willing to lie in order to achieve a greater goal. [9:34:25 PM] Purple Tinker: He is Machiavellian. Do you know the word? [9:34:30 PM] Purple Tinker: 'The end justifies the means.' [9:34:36 PM] Purple Tinker: He would do anything-- however immoral-- to get what he wants. [9:34:45 PM] Purple Tinker: And his interest is not in what's best for the community, it's in what's best for him. [9:35:10 PM] MuffinOfFun: I still have one more question [9:35:17 PM] Purple Tinker: I'm almost finished. [9:35:53 PM] Purple Tinker: Would you rather have someone like that-- ruthless, Machiavellian, willing to hurt people in any way shape or form just to maximise their own power and influence and achieve their personal goals-- running a convention, or would you rather have a decent person who truly cares about the community and would never stoop so low? [9:36:58 PM] MuffinOfFun: Again, I don't exactly trust your perspective. [9:37:05 PM] Purple Tinker: Answer the question. [9:37:37 PM] MuffinOfFun: When you put it that way, no. But when you describe it like that of course I'd say no. [9:37:44 PM] MuffinOfFun: Anyways... [9:37:47 PM] Purple Tinker: Well, then you understand where I'm coming from. [9:38:01 PM] Purple Tinker: That's why I try to harm Sean and Nanashi and Klisk, and I try to promote the good folks behind TrotCon and BUCK and the like. [9:38:32 PM] MuffinOfFun: Still wouldn't attempting to sabotage them make just like them? [9:38:38 PM] Purple Tinker: No. [9:38:44 PM] MuffinOfFun: It wouldn't? [9:38:47 PM] Purple Tinker: Correct. [9:39:07 PM] Purple Tinker: Because I'm not stooping to their level. I'm not slurring them. I'm not lying. I'm not stealing. [9:39:13 PM] MuffinOfFun: So you do bad things too, but you're still morally superior. [9:39:24 PM] Purple Tinker: What I am doing by fighting these people is not bad. [9:39:29 PM] Purple Tinker: For me to NOT fight them would be bad. [9:39:47 PM] Purple Tinker: Sean's a used car salesman. He is utterly unethical. [9:39:55 PM] Purple Tinker: And Nanashi is at hief. [9:39:57 PM] Purple Tinker: ....a thief. [9:40:17 PM] Purple Tinker: (By the way, 'used car salesman' there was a metaphor, but 'thief' was literal.) [9:40:24 PM] Purple Tinker: Fine, but it's getting late.[9:40:30 PM] Purple Tinker: I've been awake all day. [9:40:34 PM] MuffinOfFun: One last one. [9:40:49 PM] Purple Tinker: This is the part where you say 'how does it feel being trolled, you tranny faggot'? [9:40:56 PM] MuffinOfFun: No. [9:41:43 PM] MuffinOfFun: What I was gonna say was why is it whenever someone criticizes you for anything you immeadiately accuse them of being 'transphobic'? [9:41:57 PM] MuffinOfFun: While completely ignoring whatever they said? [9:42:04 PM] Purple Tinker: As I said, I am not going to let you get away with lying. [9:42:22 PM] Purple Tinker: You can't provoke me. I know you're trying to get my goat. It's beyond your abilities. [9:42:24 PM] MuffinOfFun: Lying> [9:42:32 PM] Purple Tinker: You know as well as I do that I don't randomly accuse people of transphobia. [9:42:38 PM] MuffinOfFun: So you're dodging the question? [9:42:53 PM] Purple Tinker: Not at all. [9:42:58 PM] Purple Tinker: No, I'm demanding that you admit that I don't just call people 'transphobic' for no reason whatsoever. [9:43:03 PM] Purple Tinker: I call people 'transphobic' when they call me a 'tranny'. [9:43:10 PM] Purple Tinker: Or 'he', or 'he/she/it', or 'HE'S A MAN, BABY'. [9:43:19 PM] MuffinOfFun: They don't hate you because you're transexual. [9:43:30 PM] Purple Tinker: I don't give a shit why they hate me. [9:43:35 PM] Purple Tinker: If you use language like that, it's transphobic. [9:43:56 PM] MuffinOfFun: Transphobic implies they're hating you because they hate transexuals. [9:43:59 PM] MuffinOfFun: They don't [9:44:19 PM] Purple Tinker: Not necessarily. It implies that it's language deliberately chosen to mock or belittle someone for being trans. [9:44:24 PM] Purple Tinker: Ot [9:44:32 PM] Purple Tinker: It's NOT implying that they necessarily hate me because I am trans. [9:44:57 PM] Purple Tinker: You can call the President the n-word and not necessarily actually dislike him for being black, but your language would still be, in and of itself, inherently racist. [9:45:05 PM] Purple Tinker: Again, you know this as well as I do, and you're just trying to provoke me. [9:45:09 PM] Purple Tinker: You can't. [9:45:12 PM] MuffinOfFun: I'm not [9:45:19 PM] MuffinOfFun: I don't care to provoke you. [9:45:27 PM] Purple Tinker: As little as I think of you and your 4chan comrades, I do not believe you are that stupid. [9:45:28 PM] MuffinOfFun: There's no point, nothing to gain [9:45:34 PM] Purple Tinker: Okay, let me turn that around. [9:45:39 PM] Purple Tinker: There's nothing to gain from these threads. [9:45:44 PM] Purple Tinker: Nothing you do is going to change my mind. [9:45:56 PM] Purple Tinker: Nothing you do is going to change the course of CG's future history. [9:46:06 PM] Purple Tinker: Nothing you do is going to change the way the show staff or Hasbro thinks about me. [9:46:18 PM] Purple Tinker: You can post ten of these threads a day; it won't change anything. [9:46:22 PM] MuffinOfFun: The staff at hasbro don't care about you. [9:46:34 PM] Purple Tinker: Correct. [9:46:40 PM] Purple Tinker: In fact, they don't really care about ANYONE [9:46:49 PM] Purple Tinker: They are extremely slothful and neglectful towards all the cons. [9:46:56 PM] Purple Tinker: Let alone people not from cons. [9:47:15 PM] MuffinOfFun: So why do you care about what they think of you? [9:47:37 PM] Purple Tinker: Oh, I don't. In fact, I hate Hasbro; that's pretty well-established. [9:47:40 PM] Purple Tinker: I like The Hub. I like the VAs. But Hasbro's a bag of dicks. [9:47:59 PM] MuffinOfFun: Is that why you seek their pity on twitter? [9:48:05 PM] Purple Tinker: Whose? [9:48:14 PM] MuffinOfFun: The VA's, Faust. [9:48:30 PM] Purple Tinker: None of them work for Hasbro. [9:48:51 PM] MuffinOfFun: So? They're still associated with them to some degree. [9:49:04 PM] Purple Tinker: In fact, the only reason I even bring up Hasbro at all is because of the hilarious plans in these threads to write a letter to Hasbro 'warning' them. [9:49:20 PM] Purple Tinker: Hasbro barely even knows the cons exist. They have one guy covering all cons, and he's slow as molasses and around as personable as a brick. [9:49:30 PM] Purple Tinker: To say they do not give a fuck would be a gross understatement. [9:49:36 PM] Purple Tinker: You'd be more likely to get a useful response out of a potato. [9:49:54 PM] MuffinOfFun: So, two last things. [9:50:27 PM] MuffinOfFun: One, since as you are probably aware this going on /mlp/ is there anything you want to say that you haven't already said to them? [9:51:03 PM] Purple Tinker: That absolutely nothing you guys can do can make the slightest iota of difference to me, to CG, or to the VAs. Let alone Hasbro. [9:51:34 PM] Purple Tinker: I'm very glad you guys are wasting time trying to hurt me, though. It's less time you can spend trying to hurt someone more vulnerable. [9:51:40 PM] Purple Tinker: And, frankly, it's amusing. [9:51:47 PM] MuffinOfFun: Okay [9:52:05 PM] MuffinOfFun: And two, would you mind talking again? In a similar fashion to this? [9:52:23 PM] Purple Tinker: I don't see why not, but may I ask why? Nothing's going to change. Nothing's changed for eight months. [9:52:57 PM] MuffinOfFun: I know, but I find you somewhat fascinating. [9:53:04 PM] Purple Tinker: Thanks, I suppose. [9:53:10 PM] MuffinOfFun: In a kind of morbid way. [9:53:19 PM] Purple Tinker: Morbid because? [9:53:32 PM] MuffinOfFun: Anyways, I'll see later. [9:53:39 PM] Purple Tinker: Have fun. [9:53:45 PM] MuffinOfFun: I'll try.