"problem w/first order in sw sequels"
By robblu (https://pastebin.com/u/robblu)

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Created on: Friday 13th of July 2018 07:31:48 PM CDT
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Obi-Wan Kenobi
13 hours ago (edited)
I believe that this specific problem complements that fact that we know nothing about The First Order in general.  We don't know how strong they are, what their history is, or what their motivations are.  How are we supposed to take them seriously in an established universe if we know nothing about them?  

Granted we knew little about the empire when the original trilogy came out, but that was the very beginning of the franchise.  Lucus had a black slate and he thrust us into the action.  Plus we knew enough about their past to have a solid understanding.  They overthrew a Rebublic and Vader betrayed the Jedi after being seduced by the Emporer.  That's enough info.  Plus the prequels really fleashed out that Palpatine's master plan and we see it took an abandance of resources, time, and planning.  

How is it within the fathom of believability for the First Order to just show up, gain enough resources to amass an army while the republic is still in power, proceed to blow up the Republic, and then take over the galaxy with no resestance except from the Resistance.  Destroying a government is not he same as taking over the galaxy, espacially when every planet has it's own goverment and military and would be furious that their representative to the Republic was just killed.  I know that there is a further explanation in comics, books, tweets by the film makers, etc but that is irrelevant.  A good movie should explain the information necessary for the story to make sense in the movie itself with no extra material being needed.  (On a side note and from the information I have read, I have not at all been satisfied with the First Order's backstories provided in the expanded material.)  

In short, is makes no sense for the First Order to just take over in the context of the prequels and established Star Wars history.  As a result, how are we the audience supposed to take them seriously if their very presence makes no sense?  It does not help that they just killed Smoke, the one character that could provide an explanation for the First Order's history and power.  Frankly, Snoke's death seems insulting, like the filmmakers are essentially telling the viewers that the backstory is irrelevent and does not matter even though is clearly does to understand the context of the film.  This coupled with the lack of intimidation discussed by Jeremy in the video above makes me have zero respect for First Order.  It doesn't help that they seem to just copy the Empire's vehicles and accordingly have next to zero originality.?