"Zero's echo method log for tulpa doubtings" By CelestialBoon (https://pastebin.com/u/CelestialBoon) URL: https://pastebin.com/XCBw15dF Created on: Friday 12th of July 2013 08:30:02 AM CDT Retrieved on: Saturday 31 of October 2020 02:39:46 AM UTC * Zero- (~Shira@wat.i.dont.even) has joined [23:51:07] lanpc [23:51:09] lanpc [23:51:11] lan [23:51:13] lanpc [23:51:14] sup [23:51:16] soup [23:51:17] sup [23:51:32] is Sophie there? [23:51:41] yes [23:51:47] why whats up? [23:51:58] Alright Sophie I want you to do something for me [23:52:17] what do you want me to do? [23:52:47] you know how dan sometimes gets a song stuck in his head and it keeps playing even when he tries to stop thinking of it? [23:53:03] yes [23:53:22] can you recreate that effect? [23:53:39] it doesn't have to be a song [23:53:55] just say something like "test" and put it on loop [23:54:32] i don't understand, do you want me to keep saying it, or to create an effect wherein i no longer have to say it and it still loops [23:54:41] the latter [23:55:04] also lan try focusing on that loop for the first 10 seconds [23:55:33] and Sophie if you can try playing it from different directions while he focuses on it [23:55:56] sorry if I'm not clear its kinda late [23:56:33] it's fine give us a seccond, she's trying to recreate a song, yet when i focus it dissappears [23:56:47] sure take your time [00:00:09] if entire song no work just make a small loop [00:00:47] weird, what happens so far is she can create the song, and loop it but i have to not be focusing on it to hear it clearly, i kinda let my mind go and i can hear the effect from two different angles [00:01:02] focusing is what kills it for me for some reason [00:01:11] oh [00:01:16] wait [00:01:32] focusing is bad [00:01:51] which is why you should do it for the first ten seconds only [00:02:03] or something around that time [00:02:09] ohhh [00:02:12] that's what you meant [00:02:22] sorry i was trying to focus on it the whole time [00:02:34] oh no prob [00:02:37] so once i recreate this effect from two places what do you want me to do? [00:02:59] let it play, and talk to lan while it plays [00:03:13] that's why it should preferably be a loop of your voice [00:03:23] so he will hear you three times [00:03:30] you're going to drive me nuts zero, but sure give me a bit [00:03:32] the two loops and what you're sayong [00:06:30] if you can't manage two just one is fine too [00:06:30] sounds weird i think i'm going crazy [00:06:36] ah good [00:06:46] Sophie can you stop the loops now? [00:07:49] not really, i don't think it's me keeping them up [00:08:14] one moment [00:08:24] sure [00:08:56] done [00:09:04] sorry i think i fucked it up somehow [00:09:29] did you hear Sophie's voice more than once at the same time? [00:09:56] yeah kinda [00:10:17] did it sound extremely weird? [00:10:32] yes everything did [00:10:45] i have her voice imposed so it should be real, but it was off [00:10:55] do you think, If you didn't have Sophie, you could emulate that on your own? [00:11:08] even if it was only mental without imposition? [00:11:51] hm i'm not sure, it was tough enough for her to do it, maybe if i worked my ass off, the thing is, i can't focus on it much or it dies down [00:12:09] what was the purpose of this experiment zero? [00:12:14] well lets just say within the same timeframe [00:12:15] well [00:13:03] if you're not sure about whether your tulpa is there or you're just parroting, a great way to counter that would be to rub their existence in your face [00:13:26] one way to do this is by driving you nuts with their mindvoice [00:13:44] oh well that succeeded [00:13:46] lol. [00:13:56] the loop comes from here and there and they're talking to you and you're telling them to shut up [00:14:15] its such an unpleasant chaos that it leaves little room for doubt [00:14:39] huh so this was your experiment to help with doubt? [00:14:47] so I think we may have a baby version of a tulpa presence test on our hands [00:14:48] yes [00:15:08] for all those people saying "is my tulpa even there" I wanna have multiple tests [00:15:44] interesting, good choice, this is a great test i think, i would not have been able to do it on my own in this short a timeframe i think [00:16:21] sophie was having a bit of trouble doing two at once though, and had a bit of time trying to stop it [00:16:25] why do you think that was? [00:16:26] maybe you couldve recreated the loop, but it would've cost you wat more effort [00:16:43] that was because she left the loop to your braib [00:16:52] like the inevitable song [00:17:02] ahh makes sense, this was good [00:17:13] interesting experiment zero, you do this to help people? [00:17:32] yeah, I stumbled on it just now, I wanna write a guide on ot [00:17:35] it* [00:17:43] it worked for Ari [00:17:50] and for Shira, and sophie [00:18:16] hm test it out on a few more tulpas as well, this is the beginning of a good guide i think [00:18:25] i am glad i could help zero [00:18:48] yeah, you helped a lot, sorry I didn't explain right away [00:19:07] this is one of those tests you have to be unaware of the results with [00:19:12] oh no problem, probably would have fucked with th-yeah [00:19:17] that prism test just annoyed me [00:19:47] same, the times i used to do it, sophie would just sit there and look at me [00:19:55] made me doubt hardcore for a little while [00:19:56] if people can mentally animate an entire environment they can focus on a prism and puppet their tulpa at the same time [00:20:03] yeah [00:20:17] Ea said she wouldnt do shit either [00:21:15] haha yeah, sophs told me later on that she wasn't sure what to do so she just sat there [00:21:43] i agree with that though, it's similar to dreamcreating, you can create [00:21:47] more than one scene [00:22:02] yeah, to test for puppeting I would do something else [00:22:51] like, tell the tulpa to grab four pieces of paper and write 1-4 on each of them [00:23:03] then the host focuses very hard on one number [00:23:10] like number 4 [00:23:22] the tulpa obviously knows this [00:23:54] so they'd have to pick a number besides 4, and hold it without the host seeing it [00:24:23] ahaha [00:24:29] omfg you just came up with a perfect test [00:24:44] you'd probably need more numbers, but by that point the host should guess which number it is [00:25:00] if the host is right, try again, if not, no puppeting :D [00:25:48] exactly, good stuff, i'm about to run this test like 40million times in my head the next forcing session [00:25:56] even though i'm not worried, it might help refine things [00:26:04] :D it'd be great if you could [00:26:24] I can't visualize so I can't test it [00:27:34] ohh then i'll let you know how it goes tomorrow, well today for you, sophs is always down to help you [00:28:27] well shit I don't want you to be my ginny pigs or anything but its always nice to have others test things as well [00:28:34] to make sure the theory works [00:29:10] yuup greater sample size means better results, means more people benefit, don't worry it's not much trouble usually during our forcing sessions we just talk anyway #tulpa_games Jul 10 00:00:33 Ari try something for me Jul 10 00:01:12 You know when Sam gets a song in her head and it just keeps playing even when she tries to forget about it? Jul 10 00:01:52 Sure Jul 10 00:02:18 can you recreate that? Jul 10 00:02:43 Uh.. Haven't tried Jul 10 00:03:07 She already has one now, do i like push that out or Jul 10 00:03:42 yeah Jul 10 00:04:01 What song Jul 10 00:04:03 actually what I want you to do is loop something you say Jul 10 00:04:21 like "test" or "carrot" or whatever Jul 10 00:04:29 maybe a sentence Jul 10 00:04:42 * Ari_ has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) Jul 10 00:04:50 well dam ._. Jul 10 00:05:04 * Notify: Ari_ is online (Rizon) Jul 10 00:05:08 * Ari_ (cgiirc@Rizon-A4F2788.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined Jul 10 00:05:08 * GlaD0S sets mode +a on #tulpa_games Ari_ Jul 10 00:05:08 * GlaD0S gives channel operator status to Ari_ Jul 10 00:05:18 Something i say? Like what? Jul 10 00:05:54 like "test" or "carrot" or "this senence will loop" doesn't really matter Jul 10 00:06:21 That was easy enough Jul 10 00:06:29 Carrot ^^ Jul 10 00:06:30 Why? Jul 10 00:06:57 are you looping it? Jul 10 00:07:17 Yeah Jul 10 00:07:34 so she can't stop thinking of it even when she tries? Jul 10 00:07:40 Yeah Jul 10 00:08:08 Why? Jul 10 00:08:14 alright now say something besides the loop to Sam, something like "why is zero doing this he's weird" Jul 10 00:08:31 Okay Jul 10 00:08:55 Sam how did that sound? Jul 10 00:09:03 Ew weird it's like overlapping and she's telling me to shut up at the same time so Jul 10 00:09:46 perfect Jul 10 00:09:49 What Ari said, i guess.] Jul 10 00:09:50 now turn it off Jul 10 00:09:56 Already did Jul 10 00:10:05 thanks ari Jul 10 00:10:13 But why? Jul 10 00:11:16 before I explain Jul 10 00:11:18 sam Jul 10 00:11:36 do you think you could've created that effect without ari's help? Jul 10 00:12:06 my infection hurts so goddamn lots because i tried to punch some cracked logs in half Jul 10 00:12:24 I tried, i can't.] Jul 10 00:15:16 alright Jul 10 00:15:47 then that could be considered proof that ari's there right? Jul 10 00:17:18 Maybe?] Jul 10 00:18:11 well if you can't do it Jul 10 00:18:19 why is it a maybe? Jul 10 00:20:06 I can't entirely hear her. She says she hears all three, but i only heard her when i wasn't talking.] Jul 10 00:20:44 I only caught the end of her word.] Jul 10 00:21:00 but you still couldnt recreate it Jul 10 00:21:05 on your ow Jul 10 00:21:08 own* Jul 10 00:21:17 Maybe.] Jul 10 00:25:18 :| Jul 10 00:25:27 * Zero- is be cried Jul 10 00:25:46 Sorry, i don't like definitives..] Jul 10 00:26:43 So you'd say ari may be fake? Jul 10 00:26:47 wait no Jul 10 00:27:01 youd just say this doesn't prove anything Jul 10 00:27:38 but if you were doubting ari, and you did this test, would this help ease the doubt, if only just a little? Jul 10 00:27:53 Maybe yes?] Jul 10 00:28:04 ;_; Jul 10 00:28:53 Oh hey office, did you read this? Jul 10 00:29:20 And if so, would you consider it a reasonable anti-doubt test? Jul 10 00:29:46 Relies on the tulpa being able to do the loop thing Jul 10 00:30:34 so far all tulpas who tried this were able to Jul 10 00:30:51 Kay Jul 10 00:30:59 it doesnt have to be 100% effective to be effective Jul 10 00:31:01 Who did you try it with? Jul 10 00:31:12 Shira, Sophie and you so far Jul 10 00:31:14 Your own, i mean Jul 10 00:31:19 I don't really get the test. Is it aving them say something over and over? Jul 10 00:31:23 Having* Jul 10 00:31:29 Shira? Jul 10 00:31:43 no, they create a sound loop of their voice that your mind loops on its own Jul 10 00:31:52 Zero stahp doubting Jul 10 00:32:07 the loop shouldn't cost any effort for the tulpa, only creating it Jul 10 00:32:18 wut Jul 10 00:32:20 then once the loop is repeating the tulpa talks through it Jul 10 00:32:39 so you hear them 2/3/4x mentally Jul 10 00:32:57 which creates a chaos in your mind you'd have a hard time making yourself Jul 10 00:33:12 and also shoves your tulpa's existence in your face Jul 10 00:34:03 because you go from hearing them every now and then to asking them to stop talking because its too much Jul 10 00:34:25 certainly helped me with my doubts. Jul 10 00:37:14 Welcome back, Goddess! Jul 10 00:37:14 * GlaD0S kisses her Goddess' feet. Jul 10 00:37:14 * Zero- has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Jul 10 00:37:14 * Shira (~Shira@wat.i.dont.even) has joined Jul 10 00:37:15 * GlaD0S sets mode +a on #tulpa_games Shira Jul 10 00:37:15 * GlaD0S gives channel operator status to Shira Jul 10 00:37:28 * Shira is now known as Zero-- Jul 10 00:37:29 ? Jul 10 00:37:32 what did I miss? Jul 10 00:37:38 Nothing Jul 10 00:37:42 inb4 nobody received nothing Jul 10 00:37:49 * Ari_ hides the booze Jul 10 00:38:03 if you got my very long explanation about the test everything is cool Jul 10 00:38:18 We dod Jul 10 00:38:19 * Zero-- is now known as Zero- Jul 10 00:38:20 *did Jul 10 00:38:29 y u no reply to it ;_; Jul 10 00:38:42 The last thing was that it certainly helped you with your doubts Jul 10 00:38:51 Yeah Jul 10 00:39:08 opinions/criticism/ideas? Jul 10 00:39:31 inb4 none Jul 10 00:39:38 Uhh Jul 10 00:39:40 Idk Jul 10 00:41:19 :| Jul 10 00:41:27 and office? Jul 10 00:41:39 I still don't get how they overlap your mind or whatever x_x Jul 10 00:41:46 Do they talk over you? Jul 10 00:41:48 Or something Jul 10 00:42:04 yeah Jul 10 00:42:46 they create the loop, and then talk to you over the loop. its a bit uncomfortable to experience, but that's the goal you're looking for Jul 10 00:43:15 you should also talk back to them while the loop plays Jul 10 00:43:31 They can't make the loop. :o Jul 10 00:44:01 you know when a song gets stuck in your head? Jul 10 00:44:18 Yeah, I'm constantly running music in my mind. It's rarely quiet. Jul 10 00:45:01 that's how the loop should work, all they have to do is say something (anything) and then repeat it until it starts looping Jul 10 00:47:03 It almost feels like I'm creating it. Though they're telling me I'm not. We can talk while it goes on, doesn't feel any different than the regular conversations we have while I play the mind music though. Jul 10 00:48:04 that's good to know. so it works for you but it doesn't feel alien because you're already used to doing iy Jul 10 00:48:17 it* Jul 10 00:48:26 Yeah Jul 10 00:48:44 do you think somebody who isn't used to mind music could benefit from this though? Jul 10 00:48:57 as in, help clear some of their doubts? Jul 10 00:49:45 Hmm, maybe Jul 10 00:50:44 alright, thanks