- unconspicuous: I stopped playing skyrim for a bit
- Synapsid: Doing almost all the side and misc things and making only slow progress on the main storyline
- unconspicuous: so i could play morrowind instead
- then I stopped playing morrowind a bit so I could play fallout 3 instead
- its cyclical
- Rariteah: You know, Skyrim has 3x the content on the disk
- smashblu: I need to play Fallout 2 again
- Rariteah: Probably gonna be DLC
- dicks
- smashblu: I'm going to do a "kill everything" run
- Synapsid: Kill everything is fun
- unconspicuous: morrowind has just as much, or even more, actual gameplay though
- Synapsid: I should go back and play Wolfenstein from the PS2
- That was a lot of fun
- Rariteah: uncon have you even played everything Skyrim has
- ?
- lol
- cuz if you say yes
- ur a damn liar
- lol
- Synapsid: I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING IN SKYRIM
- unconspicuous: rariteah
- smashblu: :O
- Synapsid: ALL the things
- smashblu: This man is god
- unconspicuous: have you finished the main quest in morrowind yet?
- Synapsid: I will have you know that I am also aware of all internet traditions
- Rariteah: I didn't play morrowind until it was outdated
- so no
- got bored
- THIS EPISODE
- unconspicuous: have you invaded vivec city and taken it over with an army of skeletons?
- Rariteah: IS WIN
- Synapsid: Pinkie Pie Singing Telegram is second best Pinkie Pie
- smashblu: She had the best costume for Rarity
- unconspicuous: because you can't do that to ANY city in skyrim
- Synapsid: I would like to invade a city with an army of skeletons
- Rariteah: ^almost untrue
- unconspicuous: you also can't kill any gods in skyrim either IIRC
- Synapsid: Or draugr
- unconspicuous: by army, i mean over 100
- at once
- smashblu: Just so you guys know, I have virtually no idea what you've been talking about
- Rariteah: You can invade a city through the civil war questline
- unconspicuous: all onscreen at the same time, and all directly attacking enemies
- Synapsid pats smash on the head
- unconspicuous: the civil war one has maybe 20 npcs fighting and onscreen at any given time
- smashblu pants and waits for a treat
- unconspicuous: in morrowind, it can reach hundreds
- Synapsid: No spoilers
- Synapsid pulls out a snausage
- unconspicuous: i mean LITERAL hundreds
- Synapsid: Who's been a good boy, who's a good boy!
- smashblu:
- arf arf!
- Rariteah: boy
- lol
- Synapsid: Paw!
- Give me your paw
- Rariteah: colt
- paw?
- hoof
- smashblu holds up his paw
- Synapsid shakes
- Synapsid throws smash the treat
- smashblu eats treat, excitedly
- Synapsid: Ponies dancing
- No words
- Describe
- How cute
- smashblu: ^
- ^^^^^
- Rariteah: ^^^^^
- smashblu: It will be an emute
- Synapsid is going to die of a massive heart attack of cute at the age of 30 from ponies
- Rariteah: ^
- smashblu: I feel the same way
- Rariteah: I died as I lived
- BY THE PONY
- hurk!
- smashblu: Depending on how long the show runs and the fan art
- Rariteah: *death*
- smashblu: I might not make it to 30
- unconspicuous: I don't expect the show to make it past the third season, in all honesty
- Rariteah: uncon
- go away
- Synapsid: Let's not think of that, though
- Rariteah: lol
- Synapsid: Because that is a sad thing
- smashblu: Me either, but I think it will have a good run
- Synapsid: Smash, did you see how I got a pony coloring book
- unconspicuous: the fan content will be completely dead five years from now
- and will be completely forgotten
- smashblu: I think I remember that
- have you colored it yet?
- unconspicuous: except as an old internet meme
- Synapsid: I have nothing to color with
- unconspicuous: only recorded through the lens of those who opposed it
- Rariteah: The more uncon talks... The more I want to shove my hoof through his nose....
- smashblu: I agree, uncon
- but hopefully the fan content will live on, even if new content isn't being made
- Synapsid: I don't think we should be so quick to bury ponies and bronydom
- Rariteah: ^
- unconspicuous: we won't be doing it
- Synapsid: Especially bronydom
- I could envision that lasting quite a while indeed
- Well after the show
- unconspicuous: but the fan community will slowly wither away once the content is gone and everyone knows there will be no more
- Synapsid: I am not at all sure of that
- Rariteah: Bronydom has done better than religion
- lol
- unconspicuous: no rariteah
- smashblu: I really don't think I'll get sick of ponies
- unconspicuous: stop it with your proselytizing antitheism
- Rariteah: So I muted uncon...
- smashblu: But as new content isn't being created, I can see if falling by the wayside in my life
- Synapsid: There is no good reason to assume that brondyom is a mere fad
- unconspicuous: no
- but the show won't run forever
- Synapsid: Well, your life presumably has sixty years or so left to it, smash
- So, that wouldn't be unreasonable
- No, the show won't and shouldn't
- unconspicuous: and the thing is, fandoms for ANY television show
- or series of books
- or comic
- or ANYTHING
- smashblu: But, it will always hold a special place in my heart
- unconspicuous: don't last much longer than the work they comre from
- they then stagnate
- and die
- Synapsid: Star Trek's fandom has survived through long droughts of content
- smashblu: ^
- Synapsid: And still survives
- unconspicuous: yeah, but the thing is
- smashblu: I was about to say that
- Synapsid: Even though these days I hate most of my fellow "Trekkies"
- unconspicuous: the next iteration of pony is unlikely to be remotely similar to FiM
- Synapsid: So what
- unconspicuous: or even as good
- this show that we love so much
- is probably a fluke, and any pony related content produced by hasbro afterwards will be inferior
- Synapsid: At least a core of the fandom will stay focused on this, just as there is a core of Trekkiedom that stays focused on, say, everything before Voyager
- smashblu: Right
- unconspicuous: yeah, but I'm not one of those core fans
- i might love the show
- Synapsid: Also, look at the fandom for Firefly
- They really got shafted
- And yet they're strong
- unconspicuous: but i'm not going to love every single thing that looks, smells, or tastes like it
- smashblu: I was going to bring that up too, are you me, syn?
- unconspicuous: no synapsid, they aren't strong
- Synapsid begs to differ
- unconspicuous: if they were economically or creatively strong, there still would BE a firefly show
- Synapsid: Yes, smash, by our combined powers we are Synasmash
- Rariteah: Is uncon always so damn pessimistic?
- Synapsid: I did not say they were an economic force
- smashblu: Probably
- unconspicuous: I thought you said you muted me
- Synapsid: I said that they were strong fans
- smashblu: Well, I would say he's not pessimistic, more realistic
- unconspicuous: strong fans are never a strong economic force
- i thought thats what you meant
- Synapsid: I wasn't making economic claims
- unconspicuous: oh,ok
- smashblu: I know the show will die
- But the fans should live on
- Synapsid: I mean that strong bronydom--strong in terms of devotion to the show and its characters and message--will survive for some time yet, I think
- unconspicuous: and i'm just thinking that the best parts of the fandom will ultimately move on after its death
- Synapsid: Even after our beloved ponies are cancelled, or discontinued, or whatever
- unconspicuous: there will be other good shows
- and other good things
- Synapsid: The best parts won't
- The periphery will
- The core will remain
- unconspicuous: just the artists and best writers and people who enjoyed it because it was good, not because of a fanatical obsession
- smashblu: Well, my life won't be over after ponies
- Synapsid will remain, if no one else will
- unconspicuous: and the core is really just people who obsess fanatically
- smashblu: I plan to remain with the fandom
- unconspicuous: ten years from now, there will probably be other shows
- even other good shows by Faust
- smashblu: I'll still have pony themed stuff
- unconspicuous: and we will all probably care about those too
- sure, we'll still have pony themed stuff
- but the creative drive will end
- Synapsid: The core of a fandom is not, although some individuals may be, as a group some set of crazed fanatics who like whatever they are fans just out of obsession
- And one can be a committed fan of more than one thing
- unconspicuous: yeah synapsid
- Synapsid: I love Star Trek and Firefly, e.g., quite as much as I do ponies
- unconspicuous: but the crazy obsessed people like to call themselves the core
- Synapsid: Sure, and there will always be kooks in any group
- unconspicuous: when they're really a small, cancerous minority
- Synapsid: But the core is not synonymous with them
- smashblu: Yes, a lot of people are just obsessed an will move on to the next thing
- Synapsid: Sure
- smashblu: but there is a core fanbase
- Synapsid: Exactly
- unconspicuous: look, how many people are writing TTGL fanfics
- smashblu: Ponies seem to have a particularly good core
- Synapsid: I think we do. The fandom reminds me a lot of the Star Trek fandom.
- Rariteah: She looks prettier this way...
- unconspicuous: smashblu, I have a feeling you won't feel the same way a decade from now
- you'll probably still like the show
- smashblu: I don't know, I like Pinkie's puffy hair
- unconspicuous: and have fond memories of it
- Synapsid: This will be how I do Bronycon on Saturday
- unconspicuous: but in the end, ponies aren't going to occupy this same role in our lives forever
- Rariteah: I like it poofy too, but I think straight is better
- opinion
- unconspicuous: I think that pinkie can be beautiful either way
- smashblu: Well, if there are no other fans, there is no way it can be the same as it is now
- cthulhuandyou: http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/349/e/c/dashie_by_ponykillerx-d4j4cv3.png
- Synapsid: Forever is a long time to speak to, so I won't, but I can say with some confidence that I will love ponies quite as much as I do now for quite a while yet.
- unconspicuous: eyah
- yeah
- smashblu: Like I said, ponies will probably fall by the wayside but they will always have a special place in my heart
- unconspicuous: and i'm wagering that quite a while isn't going to be much more than 5 years from now
- Synapsid: CT, that remains the best Dashie pic I have ever seen
- unconspicuous: i'm saying the sam thing smash
- cthulhuandyou: The fans may not stay the same, the show may not stay the same, the way I enjoy my ponies may not stay the same. But I will always love them
- smashblu: But you don't understand, I fucking love ponies
- unconspicuous: so do I
- Synapsid: I'm wagering that I know more about me than you do
- unconspicuous: but i know this love isn't going to last forever
- because the thing that I love
- is going
- to
- die
- its like acknowledging that you will outlive your dog
- trying to pretend it isn't so is only going to make it harder
- smashblu: But shows don't die
- unconspicuous: no, they do
- smashblu: Like good movies
- they are eternal
- unconspicuous: death is when they stop being produced
- Rariteah: I like how she got darker lol
- Even without discord
- unconspicuous: after that point, they're more like fossils
- they still "exist", but not in the same way
- Synapsid: The dog comparison is really not felicitous. My dead dogs are not loved one jot less now than they were when alive.
- Rariteah: ^
- smashblu: I still like good movies just as much I as did when I first saw them
- unconspicuous: yeah, but you don't take your deceased pets for walkies
- Rariteah: ^
- ^^^
- Synapsid: Because you physically can't, of course.
- unconspicuous: yep
- Synapsid: A show no longer in production can still be watched
- unconspicuous: yep
- Synapsid: I do it all the time
- unconspicuous: but it exists in a different way
- Synapsid: Not really
- Rariteah: I have digimon seasons 1-3 on my comop
- comp
- smashblu: Yes, I watch old Simpsons episodes all the time
- unconspicuous: and the fanbases for 'dead' shows also behave in different ways
- smashblu: And Seinfeld
- Rariteah: Gummy is best pony
- Synapsid: Shows die when people stop watching them
- Not before
- smashblu: I mean there's no way r/mlp will be as active in a couple of years as it is now
- unconspicuous: no, shows die when they stop being produced
- Synapsid: And they do not stop watching them just because they are no longer produced
- They really don't, though
- unconspicuous: people still watch them
- but not in the same way
- Synapsid: Yes, they do
- unconspicuous: no not really
- Synapsid: I watch TNG the same way now as I watched it when I was a child
- smashblu: I actually watch Seinfeld almost every day still
- Rariteah: How is it not in the same way?
- Matticus: last airbender will never diiiiiie!
- unconspicuous: there's this element of novelty
- that slowly goes away
- Synapsid has no personal experience of this
- unconspicuous: and it isn't meaningless or unimportant
- Rariteah: No it doesn't... -.-... Your experiences are not the same as others'
- Synapsid: They manifestly aren't
- smashblu: Well this is quite a stirring conversation
- I'm enjoying it
- unconspicuous: >your experiences aren't the same as others
- Matticus: Yes I love dramas
- unconspicuous: >also the way you think about it is wrong, everyone else thinks about it the way I do
- smashblu: I wouldn't say there is much drama
- Synapsid: "Drama" is a dramatic way to describe it
- Matticus: give it time...
- Synapsid: It's a discussion
- unconspicuous: you said those two things in one sentence
- color me impressed
- Synapsid: Who said those two things in the same sentence
- unconspicuous: masterful trolling, good show
- Rariteah: Nobody, he's putting words in my mouth
- smashblu: NO FUCK YOU UNCON FUCK SHIT I DON"T AGREE I AM SO ANGRY FUCK SHIT FUCK
- unconspicuous:
- Rariteah: lol
- unconspicuous: rariteah told me the way I percieve it is wrong
- incorrect
- somehow untrue
- Synapsid: What I believe he said was that the way you perceive the issue is not universal
- unconspicuous: and then said that not everyone thinks about it the way I do
- yeah
- Synapsid: Well, that is true, not everyone does.
- unconspicuous: he said that the way I think about it is completely wrong
- Rariteah: I'm saying the way you perceive it is not synonymous with everuone's experiences or thoughts
- smashblu: I don't think you are wrong, uncon
- Synapsid: It is wrong only if put forward as the final word on the matter
- unconspicuous: you also added the "no it doesn't" part
- smashblu: History shows that fads die out as fast as the come
- unconspicuous: yep
- Matticus: legos is still hot
- smashblu: but the brony fanbase seems different in my opinion
- at least in some ways
- unconspicuous: and in the end, even though we really love this fad, it really is a fad
- Synapsid: The simple matter is that some people view these matters in the way you do, uncon
- But most certainly not all do
- unconspicuous: it isn't different
- we aren't special
- smashblu: But Matt, legos are still being produced
- Synapsid: And as a result, there will be people, unlike you, who carry on with the fandom
- Rariteah: Simply because YOU will allow a show to die in your life doesn't mean everyone will. fOR SOME THIS IS MORE THAN A MERE FAD
- smashblu: and have an every present fanbase (children)
- Rariteah: Oops
- unconspicuous: and legos, more importantly, are a toy
- not a fad
- Matticus: sweet sweet children...
- smashblu: ^
- I mean...what?
- Synapsid: This really should not be that contentious. It is as Deathclaw just said.
- unconspicuous: entertainment media are far more memetic in nature
- Synapsid: Fors ome it is not a mere fad.
- For some it is
- For some it is something in between
- Their reactions to the show over the years will flow accordingly
- unconspicuous: just because you can hold onto a fad for a really long time doesn't mean it isnt a fad
- Rariteah: Therefore you can't predict it's future
- smashblu: It's not a fad for me, I don't fall into fads
- unconspicuous: no true scotsman much?
- smashblu: It is a fad for some
- obviously
- unconspicuous: smash
- Matticus: dosent this stuff just fall under philosophy and philosophy is a thing you cant prove or disprove...
- unconspicuous: i'm saying that it is fundamentally a fad
- Synapsid: If something remains important to a person for some time, past its vogue, it is ipso facto not a fad.
- unconspicuous: matticus, that smells of solipsism
- Rariteah: This show has quite literally changed lives and turned bitter spiteful people into kind people
- Synapsid: It smells of skepticism, not solipsism
- smashblu: I agree syn
- Rariteah: For them it will never die
- unconspicuous: synapsid, you and I are just pedantically arguing over the meaning of the word fad at this point
- for some clueless people, pogs will never die
- Synapsid: No, you're making the unreasonable assertion that the show is a fad and that every person who likes it now, no matter how much they claim to like it, will treat it as a fad.
- unconspicuous: fortunately, those people will die themselves soon enough
- smashblu: Well anyway, since we can't predict the future, there is really no telling what will happen
- Synapsid: Which is not only a very strange claim but a prima facie absurd one.
- Rariteah: As long as it remains in the hearts of people it will never truly die.
- smashblu: It could die tomorrow or it could become a fucking religion
- unconspicuous: smash
- religions are also memes
- Matticus: a religion..yes that is the only way
- unconspicuous: just really old memes
- Rariteah: It very well could be a religion
- Synapsid may grow cross if "memetics" starts getting thrown round
- unconspicuous: synapsid, we already have
- Matticus: memetics?
- unconspicuous: just wordfilter meme for fad
- smashblu: OK, then it could run as long as the Simpsons and still have the same fanbase
- or larger
- unconspicuous: and you'll see that we are doing that as we speak
- Matticus: I hope the shows not on as long as the simpsons...
- unconspicuous: yeah smash, but it probably wouldn't be good for the show to run that long
- Rariteah: Exactly, nobody thought the simpsons would run as long as it did
- or spongebob
- unconspicuous: no, it DEFINITELY would be bad for the show
- smashblu: Well, I'm not arguing that
- Matticus: those shows are like walking zombies...
- unconspicuous: that much popularity kills the creative control of the artist
- smashblu: I'm a huge Simpsons fan but I hate the new episodes
- Synapsid: The bottom line is that there is absolutely no reason to take seriously your claim that MLP is a fad for all fans who like it, regardless of what they say.
- Rariteah: ^
- Matticus: avatar had the right amount of episodes!
- it was perfection
- unconspicuous: synapsid, i'm arguing that fads are memes
- and memes are memes
- its a x=x sort of deal
- Synapsid: Who cares what fads in abstraction should be classified as
- The issue was about MLP
- And its fandom
- Rariteah: uncon, you change your topics mid argument
- smashblu: Yeah that doesn't matter, it's more how the fandom reacts over time
- unconspicuous: and you're clinging to the implication that memes have to die by nature of being memes
- Rariteah: stop it
- lol
- unconspicuous: we were arguing?
- Matticus: *give it time*
- Synapsid: I wasn't making any point about memes
- smashblu: [](/b00 I'm sorry)
- Rariteah: That's what you called it
- smashblu: I didn't think we were arguing really
- Just discussing
- unconspicuous: THIS IS ARGUING
- ur gay
- Synapsid: All I'm saying is the rather mundane observation that for some fans of MLP, it is not a mere fad that they will soon abandon, or give up once the many for whom it is a fad do give it up
- unconspicuous: go die in a fire
- u mad?
- that is arguing
- smashblu: I can't get the tone of a conversion over text
- unconspicuous: i'm just talking about it
- Rariteah: No uncon, that's called immature
- unconspicuous: yeah, arguing
- Synapsid: No one has been immature
- Rariteah: an argument can still be civil
- Matticus: Yall arguing?
- smashblu: Well, let's just think about this. Every fanbase should be treated differently because every fanbase is different
- unconspicuous: no, it stops being an argument then
- it becomes a debate
- smashblu: They share similar aspects sure
- unconspicuous: amg
- was that fluttershy
- that was totally fluttershy
- smashblu: lol
- unconspicuous: same color scheme
- smashblu: wut
- unconspicuous: pegasus
- couldn't tell what the cutie mark was
- smashblu: Animation error?
- unconspicuous: different hair though
- smashblu: I'm so pissed now
- I'm never watching this show again!
- unconspicuous: no, alternate universe flutts in for a visit
- Matticus: damn you guys got sidetracked easily
- unconspicuous:
- Matticus: god dang ponies
- unconspicuous: matticus
- smashblu: We're all MC Gets Sidetracked Easily
- unconspicuous: thats because i care about ponies, not making everyone here hate me
- Matticus: aww its all just debate
- Synapsid: No one hates anyone, or at least not because of the conversation
- Matticus: its suppose to be heated
- unconspicuous: if I was TRYING to be an obnoxious asshole, it would be more readily evident by this point
- Rariteah: Ok ok ok, the original point was that you thought MLP would die within five years and we all agree that, that simply is not true because many people do not follow this like a fad, and it could very
- well live on for quite some time
- smashblu: I never held any ill will towards anything you said
- unconspicuous: exactly
- smashblu: whether I agreeed or not
- unconspicuous: I've been pretty sure this is just talking
- Rariteah: predicting it's future is impossible. DISCUSSION OVER
- lol
- unconspicuous: not yelling through our keyboards
- rariteah, you can't just say discussion over
- smashblu: NO! WE WERE FUCKING ARGUING FUCK YOU ALL GAY FAG QUEERS
- unconspicuous: U MAD BRO?
- Matticus: we can guess the future based off the past experience of other events at least..
- smashblu: VERY!
- Synapsid: An orgy? Is that what you're proposing, smash?
- unconspicuous: I THINK HE MIGHT BE MAD
- Synapsid takes off his robe
- smashblu: I believe it is syn
- unconspicuous puts on his wizard hat
- smashblu: FUCK
- Synapsid: Prepare your bodies
- smashblu: FUCK YOU UNCON
- unconspicuous: I CAST SCORCHING RAY
- smashblu: I was going to say that
- Synapsid: Actually
- The orgy has to be postponed
- So I can do the pony pokey
- unconspicuous: yep
- Rariteah: Besides, what is the point of discussing it anyway? It's not dead yet, so we shouldn't make any assumptions yet.
- unconspicuous: rariteah
- why not talk about it?
- smashblu: Hey can we have group cybersex? Has that been done before?
- Probably
- Synapsid: Cybersex?
- What is that
- I have never heard of that
- unconspicuous: if it makes you this uncomfortable to think about the end of pony, i can't imagine how it would affect you when you hear about the cancellation of the show
- Synapsid: Wait, what is this "sex" of which you speak
- Rariteah: Because I like the show and discussing it's "death" is in a way, depressing.
- unconspicuous: which will happen eventually
- smashblu: It's what old people like me did when we were young
- Rariteah: But not now
- Synapsid: There's nothing wrong with not necessarily wanting to discuss the end of the show, uncon
- unconspicuous: The only way i know to deal with depressing topics is to air them out
- Rariteah: Exactly
- unconspicuous: I for one can't just stew about them forever
- smashblu: I can imagine it's a sore subject for some
- Matticus: we still got fics when it dies!
- horrible horrible fics...
- Rariteah: Well again, your ways are not everyone else's
- smashblu: lol, Matt
- unconspicuous: and neither are yours rariteah
- Synapsid: DJ Pankapa
- Rariteah: So respect that
- unconspicuous: just because you don't agree with my ideas doesn't mean they're wrong
- smashblu: Haha, syn, that's great
- Synapsid: I think DJ Pankapa is probably greater than DJ Fluts
- smashblu: STAGE DIVE!
- Matticus: you both eat hay and oats, why at eachothers throats?
- unconspicuous: PANKAH PAH
- smashblu: FLUTRSH
- Synapsid: All anyone, including rariteah has claimed, uncon, is just that there are some people probably for whom MLP is not merely a fad
- unconspicuous: TWATLI
- smashblu: RATTY
- Synapsid: And who therefore will not lightly abandon it
- Even after the show stops
- Which is so commonsensical an observation that it shouldn't be contentious
- unconspicuous: ARBYN DURSH
- Rariteah: We never said you were dead wrong, just that your being wrong is a possibility
- unconspicuous: who's we?
- smashblu: TICKY
- Rariteah: As is ours
- unconspicuous: i'm addressing the way you have of implying that my opinion is wrong because yours contradicts it
- Matticus: oh man
- unconspicuous: SPOCK
- SIR LERSTIA
- Synapsid: I, at least, have claimed nothing more than that if you mean to claim that there is not even one fan of MLP for whom the show is more than a fad, then obviously you are wrong.
- Rariteah: BESIDES, if smash doesn't bitch out, it will NEVER die.
- lol
- smashblu: http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/349/e/c/dashie_by_ponykillerx-d4j4cv3.png
- Who am I?
- unconspicuous: idk
- some guy
- Synapsid: And that if you claim that there are in any event very few for whom it is not a fad, you are also most probably mistaken.
- unconspicuous: synapsid
- just because you don't think it's a meme
- smashblu: Wow, you all suck at guessing who I am
- unconspicuous: doesn't mean it isn't a meme
- uhhh
- rarity
- smashblu: NO!
- unconspicuous: scootaloo??
- smashblu: I'm cthulhuandyou damn it!
- unconspicuous: scoot scootaloo?
- smashblu: jesus
- Matticus: oh haha
- Synapsid: On purely statistical grounds, given the sample size of even Reddit bronies, your assertion that almost no one who likes it likes it as more than a fad is bound to be false
- unconspicuous: syn
- it is still a fad
- even if you refuse to call it one
- smashblu: alright, now you guys are just debating over what a fad is
- Synapsid: IT may be. Whether other people treat it as such, is, however, a very different question.
- Matticus: yeah fad is not science
- unconspicuous: its like saying I will suck your dick (no homo)
- smashblu: I think you need to choose a new word
- unconspicuous: the no homo doesn't mean anything
- Matticus: well you can suck a dick without being a homosexual..
- smashblu: Hmm, can you?
- Matticus: I would think so
- unconspicuous: it is what it is, and arguing about labels won't change it
- Synapsid: The whole question of whether it is a fad is really irrelevant. Uncon is making sweeping claims about the subjective experience of all fans of the show.
- unconspicuous: no I didn't
- I said it objjectively is a thing
- Synapsid: Namely that none, or very few, will continue to take it seriously after its vogue.
- Rariteah: YES YOU DID
- smashblu: I mean isn't the act of sex with the same gender "homosexual"
- ?
- unconspicuous: not that everyone percieves it that way
- yeah, my quote was
- Matticus: well if you payed me 1k I would suck you off
- unconspicuous: >I will suck your dick
- Synapsid: But people's perceptions of the show are precisely what is at issue
- Matticus: but I wouldnt be in to guys
- unconspicuous: and I happen to be male
- Matticus: I just want the money
- unconspicuous: so that would make it homosexual
- smashblu: But you are still performing a homosexual act
- Matticus: this is hypothetical dont quote me
- unconspicuous: exactly smash
- Matticus: this is hypothetical dont quote me
- Synapsid: No one cares about the rather strange question "Is MLP objectively a fad", but rather the question "Are there people for whom the show will be subjectively important as part of their lives even after
- unconspicuous: i'm quoting you on that
- smashblu: Therefore, it's "homosexual"
- Matticus: the task could be seen as homosexual but you yourself can still be straight
- Synapsid: the show is no longer popular"
- unconspicuous: no matticus
- if I suck a guy's dick
- thats pretty un-straight
- Rariteah: I agree with matt
- Matticus: damn it what if he gave you money
- smashblu: This is where having set sexualities fails
- Rariteah: if someone said do it or die
- unconspicuous: I still agreed to it
- Rariteah: and you did it to live
- Matticus: I mean we would all do it for 1k...right?
- yeah?
- Rariteah: doesn't make you gay
- smashblu: everyone has different bounderies
- Synapsid: How has the conversation now got onto sexual kinds
- Rariteah: ENJOYING it makes you gay
- unconspicuous: because we can
- Matticus: yeah enjoying it
- unconspicuous: no rarity, enjoying it makes ME gay
- Matticus: I might not enjoy it
- smashblu: lol
- Matticus: what then
- unconspicuous: but the act is gay whether or not I enjoy it
- Matticus: the act is, not the person
- unconspicuous: yep
- smashblu: OK, so you're either attracted to something or not
- Rariteah: exactly
- unconspicuous: the person can be gay too though
- smashblu: it's that simple
- Matticus: I mean he maybe can be gay
- unconspicuous: its okay to be gay
- smashblu: No one is arguing it isn't (I think)
- unconspicuous: are we?
- Rariteah: damn it con, can't you just drop a subject? We reached an agreement and you keep going. lol
- unconspicuous: rariteah
- Synapsid: I lost the transition to the debate about sexual kinds
- So I have no idea, smash
- unconspicuous: you're going to get used to this eventually
- Matticus: yeah what goes around cums around
- Matticus snickers
- unconspicuous: DOHOHOHOHOHO
- smashblu: /topic "Ponies as a fad and human sexual tendencies"
- Matticus: these are important subjects
- unconspicuous: /topic "ITT: uncon talks about sucking people's dicks"
- Rariteah: WHAT IF I WANT TO FUCK RARITY??? AM I GAY??? HUH??? HUUUUHHH?????
- smashblu: I thought it was Matt
- Aren't you a dude?
- Matticus: well no rarity is a pony
- you would be in to beastliality
- unconspicuous: rarity, selfcest is implicitly and automatically homosexual
- so yes
- gay bestiality
- smashblu: I disagree Matt
- Matticus: oh?
- unconspicuous: its like this
- you're the same gender as yourself
- smashblu: the term bestiality refers to animals
- unconspicuous: so if you have sex with yourself,
- smashblu: assuming they are lesser than humans
- unconspicuous: you're having sex with someone of the same gender
- Matticus: oh I see
- unconspicuous: which is homosexual
- Matticus: ponys are above animals
- unconspicuous: bestiality is a layer added onto that
- smashblu: But ponies are sentient beings
- they are on par with humans
- unconspicuous: its bestiality even if its with a sentient being
- Rariteah: Yeah, these ponies have higher cognitive functions
- unconspicuous: bestiality means different species
- not just unintelligent
- Matticus: interspecias sex
- unconspicuous:
- Rariteah:
- smashblu: So it really isn't bestiality because bestiality laws are in place for reasons of animals being unable to consent
- Rariteah: ^
- unconspicuous: IT HURTS IN THE ORIFICE
- no smach
- those laws exist not because of consent
- but because people think its gross
- smashblu: So in short. No you're not gay for wanting to have sex with Rarity
- unconspicuous: nobody cares about how a dog feels about being raped
- just that the dog rapist is icky
- smashblu: I don't think that is entirely true
- unconspicuous: i think it is entirely true
- Matticus: time for debate
- Synapsid: The point is less whether one wishes to call it bestiality and more that ponies, these ponies, are persons, so the act is clearly not on a par with, say, raping a dog.
- unconspicuous: its a morality thing, not an ethics thing
- Rariteah: Yeah, I think it's a fair number of both
- unconspicuous: look, some bestiality is rape
- but not all bestiality is
- smashblu: I mean I see your point because sodomy is illegal in some states
- unconspicuous: there are animals that are quite capable of consenting
- Matticus: how can an animal consent...
- Rariteah: ^
- Matticus: two trots mean yes?
- Synapsid: How can sodomy be illegal in any states after, oh what was that decision from SCOTUS in 2003
- Whose name I now forget
- unconspicuous: dolphins can, and sometimes do, sexually approach humans
- smashblu: But an animal can't consent in the same way a child can't consent
- Matticus: oh right forgot about them
- unconspicuous: if trying to penetrate you isn't consent, nothing is
- NOTHING is
- Rariteah: lol
- Matticus: that means you have to be the girl in the relationship
- smashblu: I want to have sex with a dolphin
- unconspicuous: not necessarily
- but if males dolphins can consent
- so can female dolphins
- Rariteah: I've seen women fuck horses
- I'm fi\ne with wanting to sex Rarity
- lol
- Synapsid: Incidentally, just a matter of health, being penetrated by an actual horse is not adivsable.
- Rariteah: lol
- unconspicuous: and i'm fine with it as long as rarity is fine with it
- yeah synapsid
- smashblu: Being that I know how retarded laws are, you're probably right, uncon
- unconspicuous: itll penetrate organs
- and cause death
- Synapsid: Very likely
- smashblu: as far as the original argument
- Rariteah:
- unconspicuous: >ITT: ethics of sexing rarity
- Synapsid adds that he personally doesn't really care if you want to have sex with real horses, though
- smashblu: I would have sex with a female dolphin
- that sounds interesting
- unconspicuous: i'm quoting you on that
- smashblu: Go for it
- lol
- Synapsid: I'll stick to wanting to sex the ponies
- smashblu: If ponies were real, I would definitely have sex with one
- just to try it
- unconspicuous: uh
- ponies are real
- Synapsid: Yeah, for "science", I bet
- unconspicuous: just not magical
- Synapsid: He means THESE ponies
- Rariteah: Let me put it this way: species, race, etc. None of that matters to me if I'm attracted to the personality and gender of a being that can form coherent thoughts and speak
- unconspicuous: or sapient
- smashblu: When I say "ponies"
- unconspicuous: wait
- Rariteah: such as the ponies in MLP
- smashblu: I only mean MLP ponies
- unconspicuous: they might be sapient, but nobody would want to admit if they found out anyways
- Synapsid is pretty sure we always mean by "ponies" in here "MLP ponies"
- smashblu: Miniture horses are what I believe you are referring to
- unconspicuous: otherwise they'd have to admit that all the atrocities commited against horses were completely wrong
- I mean IRL
- and horses are pretty goddamn smart
- maybe not wise, but smart
- Synapsid: Actual horses are miserable animals that hate me
- unconspicuous: yep
- Synapsid: For reasons surpassing my undersanding
- smashblu: You know what animals are smart? Elephants
- unconspicuous: too smart for their own good
- well
- Rariteah: This chat is fuckin' weird
- unconspicuous: i'm going to call it quits for tonight
- Rariteah: lol
- smashblu: night uncon
- unconspicuous: and get at least one hour of sleep before school
- smashblu: Sounds like a plan
- unconspicuous: i'm just abandoning the daynight cycle and taking a nap before school starts
- Synapsid: I'm going to tell my professors when I fall asleep in class in a few hours that I was tired because I was up talking about the ethics of have sweet, sweet sex with cartoon ponies
- smashblu: Wow, Rariteah, you are new here
- unconspicuous: and sleeping from end of school till dinner
- it works pretty well
- smashblu: This isn't even weird
- Synapsid: This was pretty tame, yeah
- unconspicuous: no synapsid
- i'm making a pastebin
- so they can see the entire discussion on the ethics
- Rariteah: I'm saying generally
- smashblu: Yeah, I'll agree with taht
- Synapsid: Oh, I'll just give them that then, uncon
- Rariteah: not this particular discussion
- lol
- unconspicuous: yeah, this discussion
- i'm leaving now, but i'm saving this chat
- Synapsid: Night
- unconspicuous: it was just too good to leave unrecorded
- night