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  1. [3:50:18 PM] Final Draft: I love it, just love it when unprofessionalism springs up
  2. [3:50:22 PM] Final Draft: It's tons of fun
  3. [3:50:39 PM] Final Draft: People, play politics if you know how
  4. [3:50:43 PM] lasairfion: ?
  5. [3:51:08 PM] lasairfion: Bronies for Good does some awesome stuff....
  6. [3:51:31 PM] lasairfion: no reason we shouldn't vote?
  7. [3:51:37 PM] Final Draft: no no no
  8. [3:51:41 PM] Final Draft: I'm not talking about BFG
  9. [3:51:48 PM] Final Draft: I love you guys <3
  10. [3:51:54 PM] Telofy: Oh good. ^^
  11. [3:51:59 PM] Telofy: :‑)
  12. [3:52:08 PM] lasairfion: you mean the whole Hasbro thing?
  13. [3:52:33 PM] Final Draft: sorry, but some members of this chat, who know who they are, need to learn a thing or two about professional behavior
  14. [3:52:44 PM] Final Draft: because it's REALLY easy to tell when they spread rumors
  15. [3:52:49 PM] Final Draft: Like, really easy
  16. [3:52:49 PM | Edited 3:52:55 PM] lasairfion: There's a really really long list for unprofessionalism examples lately
  17. [3:52:55 PM] Final Draft: yes there is
  18. [3:53:06 PM] lasairfion: hard to know which you mean without specifying
  19. [3:53:09 PM] DJ Midli: ^
  20. [3:53:33 PM] DJ Midli: I'd advise for you to call them out Final Draft, as it will only help them improve themselves.
  21. [3:53:47 PM] Final Draft: sadly, I have to stay professional, which means I'm not going to say more than I have, any more would be just spread BS
  22. [3:53:48 PM] lasairfion: I have only one rule in life: No Drama
  23. [3:54:18 PM] lasairfion: it was made after a 2 year stint running an anime forum for 7000 members
  24. [3:54:36 PM] Kelli Davis: mmmmmmmmm vaugedrama
  25. [3:54:37 PM] Final Draft: I wish that people wouldn't try to stir con drama behind the scenes
  26. [3:54:37 PM] DJ Midli: Quite honestly, if you feel I have Final. I give you full permission to call me out on it. Because I have spoken in regards to sensitive subjects and wonder if i'm seen as rumour mongering.
  27. [3:54:58 PM] DJ Midli: either publically or privately.
  28. [3:54:59 PM] Final Draft: lol I posted in the chat independent of the conversation
  29. [3:55:06 PM] Final Draft: it wasn't timed to imply specific people
  30. [3:55:39 PM] DJ Midli: I'm a feedback junkie :), I'd rather people be blunt with me so I can improve then be vague with me :).
  31. [3:55:47 PM] Perrydotto: Yeah, same goes for me, Midli
  32. [3:55:51 PM] Apple Cider: So, your upset about randomly something. Okay
  33. [3:55:51 PM] Sandy: yeah, but you're aiming at specific people without actually saying "hey, ___, cut that shit out"
  34. [3:55:56 PM] Perrydotto: All those vague statements don't help at all :C
  35. [3:56:02 PM] Final Draft: that's possibly true
  36. [3:56:17 PM] Final Draft: Hmmm
  37. [3:56:27 PM] Final Draft: I could be specific.... don't want to rouse drama
  38. [3:56:28 PM] lasairfion: I'm all for bluntness. If people have an issue with me, I expect them to tell me.
  39. [3:56:31 PM] Final Draft: but it's been roused at me...
  40. [3:56:40 PM] Apple Cider: You roused drama by simply mentioning it
  41. [3:56:45 PM] Final Draft: you're right
  42. [3:56:55 PM] Kelli Davis: Why post about something personal in here if it doesn't involve anyone in here :(
  43. [3:57:20 PM] Final Draft: ok
  44. [3:57:24 PM] Final Draft: I'll detail it
  45. [3:57:25 PM] Telofy: I was called out on my overuse of “^^” once and I reduced by “^^” usage by at least 40%! (These don’t count; that’s mention, not use.)
  46. [3:57:35 PM] Final Draft: because you'r right, bringing it up and not detailing it just is a waste of time
  47. [3:57:39 PM] Final Draft: and causes confusion
  48. [3:57:42 PM | Edited 3:58:09 PM] lasairfion: ^^ <-- I like the happy eyes
  49. [3:57:59 PM] DJ Midli: I eagerly await your detailing Final Draft :).
  50. [3:58:37 PM] Final Draft: Sandy, Cider, I know you got Bob Carr to call up Vegas and lob the standard "Draft, you've got exclusivity contracts" garbage at Sandi (their head).  You really pissed her off
  51. [3:58:51 PM] Final Draft: Because 1) it's a stupid, stupid rumor you created out of thin air
  52. [3:59:05 PM] Final Draft: and 2) it implied she was either complicit or too dumb to know
  53. [3:59:08 PM] Final Draft: both of which are wrong
  54. [3:59:19 PM] Final Draft: So grow the fuck up and quit spreading lies about me
  55. [3:59:20 PM] Apple Cider: So it is at someone in the chat. You were trying to be cheeky Draft. :)
  56. [3:59:51 PM] Apple Cider: I'll leave Sandy for the details on Bob. But no, you're wrong
  57. [3:59:56 PM] Sandy: Oh Final, you've done this enough times already. We did nothing of the sort, with no such accusations
  58. [4:00:06 PM] Sandy: Bob called to talk to her about the situation wrt the VA's
  59. [4:00:15 PM] Apple Cider: And the fact you would Imply that we did it in a case to slander you... Bob is a lawyer
  60. [4:00:15 PM] Final Draft: how do you know that, then?
  61. [4:00:29 PM] Apple Cider: Wouldn't he know Slander?
  62. [4:00:35 PM] Final Draft: no, how would you know he called
  63. [4:00:46 PM] Sandy: Because he's my co-chair.
  64. [4:00:56 PM] Sandy: And he speaks for my event.
  65. [4:00:57 PM] DJ Shamrock: All of my what is this
  66. [4:01:00 PM] Final Draft: Let's keep this clear, so this sort of thing doesn't flare up again
  67. [4:01:02 PM] Apple Cider: And here he is
  68. [4:01:05 PM] The Warden: The Warden passes Shamrock the popcorn.
  69. [4:01:06 PM] Bob Carr: Well, I've never met Slander personally, but I'm sure I could pick him out of a lineup.
  70. [4:01:09 PM] Final Draft: I have no exclusivity contracts with any convention or VA
  71. [4:01:11 PM] DJ Shamrock: DJ Shamrock munches
  72. [4:01:13 PM] Fadsy: Fadsy sighs
  73. [4:01:25 PM] Sandy: of course you don't with VA's thats silly.
  74. [4:01:32 PM] Final Draft: And you've been spreading that lie all over the place, in really, really obvious ways
  75. [4:01:49 PM] Sandy: But Bob is here now and he can best detail the situation. So shut your mouth and listen for once.
  76. [4:01:49 PM] Final Draft: so there, I've called you out on it, and that's all.
  77. [4:02:01 PM] Apple Cider: Okay, the prosecution rests
  78. [4:02:07 PM] Apple Cider: Time for the defense
  79. [4:02:13 PM] lasairfion: There has been talk about EFN and exclusivity going around. I just generally agreed that exclusivity was a laughable idea, and forbad my staff from listening to rumours. I'm guessing this might just be a twist on that rumour.
  80. [4:02:15 PM] Bob Carr: And, Final, as soon as my misapprehension was corrected, I apologized and ended the call.
  81. [4:02:43 PM] The Warden: so how come Gendid was told he couldn't record his panel at Bronycon?
  82. [4:02:44 PM] Final Draft: if you want to go and publically accuse me of bullshit, bob, you could at least have the decency to ask me about it first
  83. [4:02:49 PM] Final Draft: as a lawyer, you should know that.
  84. [4:03:02 PM] Bob Carr: What did I accuse you of?
  85. [4:03:11 PM] Final Draft: scheming for exclusivity
  86. [4:03:11 PM] lasairfion: well, most of us are in here, so we can be polite and sort out what was ACTUALLY said eh
  87. [4:03:18 PM] Bob Carr: You aren't?
  88. [4:03:39 PM] Final Draft: And as for Gendid told not to record, I have no idea, I can't stop people from recording at conventions even if I wanted to - what, would I check their phones?  Their cameras?
  89. [4:04:01 PM] Final Draft: I'm certainly not
  90. [4:04:08 PM] Final Draft: Think about this guys
  91. [4:04:11 PM] Bob Carr: Did you ever ask AC to make Bronyville a part of EFN, as long as he let Sandy go before he joined your network?
  92. [4:04:13 PM] Final Draft: How could I get exclusive streaming?
  93. [4:04:17 PM] Andrew Brockert: There was no exclusivity agreement at BC Summer. The only reason we didn't have multiple livestreams is because each Ethernet drop cost somewhere on the order of $600.
  94. [4:04:21 PM] Final Draft: AC asked me to be a part of EFN
  95. [4:04:26 PM] The Warden: no but you can still pitch your little hissy fits like when Midnight Run said they were going to be broadcasting at Bronycon
  96. [4:04:27 PM] Sandy: Worked at EQLA
  97. [4:04:33 PM] Final Draft: ?!
  98. [4:04:56 PM] Bob Carr: Ah, again, my misapprehension. And, yes, Glittering had told me you were exclusive at EQLA. She was wrong?
  99. [4:05:14 PM] Final Draft: Bob, how could I stop other groups from recording? How?
  100. [4:05:18 PM] Final Draft: Think about this guys for a secon
  101. [4:05:19 PM] Final Draft: d
  102. [4:05:23 PM] Final Draft: How could I do that
  103. [4:05:31 PM] Final Draft: And why would I want to?
  104. [4:05:38 PM] Bob Carr: That's easy as hell. Sign a contract that places the onus of enforcement on the con staff.
  105. [4:05:44 PM] DJ Midli: For the record final, I heard you guys pushed bronyville out of CG by telling CG staff that if bronyville was allowed in you wouldn't record.
  106. [4:05:44 PM] Logan Biscornet: As far as I am aware EFN has never asked BronyCon for exclusive rights.  In fact on several occasions Draft has said that he did not want them.  For the reasons he has just stated.
  107. [4:05:51 PM] Bob Carr: I'm not sure why you'd want to.
  108. [4:05:58 PM] DJ Shamrock: Well obviously there's no way for you to do so Final, I don't think there's any argument there. The only people who could do that are Con Security.
  109. [4:06:05 PM | Edited 4:06:43 PM] DJ Midli: but I was also aware that it was an unsubstantiated claim.
  110. [4:06:11 PM] Final Draft: Which is why I've never pushed for it, nor would I want to ask for it
  111. [4:06:15 PM] DJ Midli: bah
  112. [4:06:17 PM] DJ Midli: horrible spelling.
  113. [4:06:23 PM] Final Draft: But I keep hearing rumors
  114. [4:06:30 PM] Sandy: Well that would explain why Canterlot Gardens (RIP) waited til the last second to cut us.
  115. [4:06:31 PM] Apple Cider: In addition to ensuring that things like youtube vidoes get taken down. You apprached Seth because there were videos of panels you clamed where EFR property from Bronycon.
  116. [4:06:31 PM] Final Draft:  "Oh draft, you want exclusivity at conventions"
  117. [4:06:40 PM] Final Draft: With EFR tags on them
  118. [4:06:41 PM] Final Draft: rips from our stream
  119. [4:07:04 PM] lasairfion: so we all heard a load of rumours, which appear not to be true. And since the people in here are the ones that matter in most circles... we just make sure we put it right when we hear it, okay?
  120. [4:07:10 PM] Bob Carr: Now, this isn't exclusivity, strictly speaking, so please bear with me: Did you have cameras pulled from EqD and Bronyville panels at EFNW. I mean, I know they WERE pulled, I just don't know if it was your idea.
  121. [4:07:15 PM] Final Draft: and that you'd know that conversation says that Seth has been talking unprofessionally behind closed doors about this as well
  122. [4:07:24 PM] Final Draft: Bob, that never happened
  123. [4:07:39 PM] Sandy: You've tried to bully him no less than 3 times.
  124. [4:07:42 PM] Final Draft: Ask Bejoty
  125. [4:07:46 PM] The Warden: Final Draft shut the fuck up about professionalism
  126. [4:07:46 PM] Final Draft: Or any EFNW staff
  127. [4:07:53 PM] Final Draft: Who are you, again Warden?
  128. [4:07:57 PM] The Warden: Your mother
  129. [4:08:05 PM] Bob Carr: Now, I've had a number of people on those panel tell me differently. Not just Sandy, but Xyro, Cereal Velocity, and others.
  130. [4:08:06 PM] Final Draft: oh, it's DHN
  131. [4:08:07 PM] Sandy: Final- there were no cameras at the EQD and Bronyville panels at EFNW
  132. [4:08:15 PM] Fadsy: Jesus fucking christ
  133. [4:08:16 PM] lasairfion: I mean, this is kind of the real point of Con Junction really- we're supposed to be able to talk about stuff so we get things straight, right?
  134. [4:08:17 PM] Bob Carr: I did ask Bejoty. He was unaware of it.
  135. [4:08:25 PM] lasairfion: politeness helps though
  136. [4:08:26 PM] Perrydotto: Keep it civil, people
  137. [4:08:43 PM] Jade Aurora (Haybuck): Oh wow.
  138. [4:08:44 PM] Jade Aurora (Haybuck): Hi all.
  139. [4:08:45 PM] Perrydotto: I appreciate the honest talk here but stay polite.
  140. [4:08:46 PM] Andrew Brockert: Better here than for all the world to see
  141. [4:08:52 PM] Andrew Brockert: HI HAYBUCK
  142. [4:08:54 PM] Fadsy: What Perry said.
  143. [4:08:57 PM] Sandy: In fact, we could have spoken face to face at EFNW and fixed most of this, but you ran off any time you got within 5 feet of me.
  144. [4:09:07 PM] Final Draft: Sandy, I walked up and said hi
  145. [4:09:13 PM] Final Draft: and you go "pfff" and walked off
  146. [4:09:16 PM] Jade Aurora (Haybuck): HI ANDREW.
  147. [4:09:19 PM] Bob Carr: Personally, I'm just interested in getting my story straight.
  148. [4:09:21 PM] Sandy: Bullshit son
  149. [4:09:27 PM] Sandy: I was with AC the entire time.
  150. [4:09:34 PM] Sandy: I'd have at least been polite.
  151. [4:09:45 PM] Final Draft: that's never been your track record
  152. [4:09:53 PM] The Warden: loose cannon
  153. [4:09:54 PM] lasairfion: Sandy, Draft: arguing isn't going to solve it - obviously there is some miscommunication here - so call the past.. past and work on sorting out what you're going to do now
  154. [4:09:57 PM] Final Draft: as for EFNW panels, I had my cameras there to cover 1 pannel at a time
  155. [4:09:58 PM] Apple Cider: Yeah, you ran by at 10 miles per hour, went 'hi Sandy' and proceeded to head towards the elevator
  156. [4:10:18 PM] Final Draft: So I covered the main hall except for the Auction, which was a mistake, because I shoudl have recorded that
  157. [4:10:58 PM] lasairfion: personally, as I can vaguely recall, I was a whirling dervish of angsty annoyance and fatigue at BUCK - so I can't blame anyone else for similar at any other con
  158. [4:11:30 PM] Bob Carr: I apologize if this sounds excessively lawyer-y: Final, just to clarify, are you saying that you're not aware of any of this camera stuff happening at EFNW, or that you're absolutely positive it didn't happen. For instance, you were attending that panel, and you're sure the cameras were there, too.
  159. [4:11:49 PM] Final Draft: Which panel, any of them?
  160. [4:11:56 PM] Final Draft: I only controled my EFR cameras
  161. [4:12:11 PM] Final Draft: as for other cameras, I don't know what people did with them, I certainly didn't tell people what they could or couldn't record
  162. [4:12:14 PM] Bob Carr: Okay, let me tell you the story I heard, and let you correct it.
  163. [4:12:19 PM] Final Draft: if I did that no convention would ever work with me
  164. [4:12:30 PM] Bob Carr: EqD panel is set to begin.
  165. [4:12:39 PM] Bob Carr: Cameras are set up from a previous panel.
  166. [4:12:46 PM] Final Draft: Yeah, and my cameras were there for Saber's Panel, I think
  167. [4:12:50 PM] Final Draft: instead of the auction
  168. [4:12:50 PM] Bob Carr: Cameras are removed.
  169. [4:12:58 PM] Bob Carr: Panel begins.
  170. [4:12:59 PM] Final Draft: Yup, my cameras, moved back to the main hall
  171. [4:13:10 PM] Final Draft: Their panel was at the same time as another
  172. [4:13:20 PM] Final Draft: And those were my company's cameras
  173. [4:13:21 PM] Bob Carr: Panel ends. Cameras are set back up as soon as the panel is concluded.
  174. [4:13:22 PM] Final Draft: actually, 1 camera
  175. [4:13:24 PM] Final Draft: not cameras
  176. [4:13:29 PM] Final Draft: we only had 1 stream camera
  177. [4:13:37 PM] Final Draft: so we could only cover one panel at a time
  178. [4:13:49 PM] Final Draft: Like many conventions, EFNW had multiple panels at a time
  179. [4:14:16 PM] Final Draft: I don't know about that bob, because I wasn't in the hall for that part of the day
  180. [4:14:46 PM] Final Draft: I'd have to drag out my convention book and look, but suffice to say, I can put my cameras wherever I damn well please, and I never told them they couldn't record something
  181. [4:14:53 PM] Apple Cider: Also, I'm not sure why this had to be addressed publically
  182. [4:14:56 PM] Bob Carr: Of course you can.
  183. [4:15:01 PM] Final Draft: no, I can't
  184. [4:15:03 PM] Final Draft: that's stupid
  185. [4:15:07 PM] Final Draft: I don't control other people's equipment
  186. [4:15:34 PM] Bob Carr: No, I meant "Of course you can put your cameras wherever you damn well please."
  187. [4:15:38 PM] lasairfion: the rumours were public, Cider, this is semi-private - and we've all heard rumours about this going around - so I'd like to hear the truth and it get sorted - we're all on the same team here.
  188. [4:15:38 PM] DJ Shamrock: I think he was referring to where you put your own cameras Final
  189. [4:15:42 PM] DJ Shamrock: Yeah
  190. [4:15:52 PM] Final Draft: ah, well anyway
  191. [4:16:06 PM] Final Draft: the rumor is that I somehow blocked recording of other panels
  192. [4:16:12 PM] Final Draft: I couldn't, wouldn't, and didn't
  193. [4:16:13 PM] Bob Carr: And thank you for answering the other half of my question, too.
  194. [4:16:41 PM] Final Draft: truth be told, I'd rather EVERYTHING was recorded by multiple groups, but I only can control my content
  195. [4:16:57 PM] Bob Carr: Again, I'm just trying to sort things out for myself, Mike. Believe me, I know how many sides any given story can have, okay?
  196. [4:17:00 PM] Final Draft: So rumors about me, say, telling CR or the other streams not to broadcast are dumb
  197. [4:17:48 PM] Final Draft: Do I talk to conventions and arrange for AV hookups, etc, of course!
  198. [4:17:52 PM] Final Draft: Do I tell them "by the way, don't let these other guys record" no
  199. [4:18:01 PM] Final Draft: because SURPRISINGLY I don't make a cent off of recordings
  200. [4:18:07 PM] Final Draft: or broadcasts
  201. [4:18:21 PM] Final Draft: the sad truth is that EFN has poured over 40k into our productions for free content
  202. [4:18:28 PM] DJ Shamrock: Obviously Final has never directly told me not to stream anything, even if he had done so directly it wouldn't matter. The only way that could be done is if the convention did it for him.
  203. [4:18:29 PM] Bob Carr: Well, I knew you didn't have a financial interest, which frankly confused me.
  204. [4:19:08 PM] Final Draft: I'm a brony, and when I joined this fandom I wanted to give back
  205. [4:19:10 PM] Final Draft: and I'm good at communications
  206. [4:19:16 PM] Final Draft: so I thought "hey, podcast"
  207. [4:19:19 PM] Bob Carr: But, again, were I angling for broadcast exclusivity, I'd insist that the con staff enforce it for me.
  208. [4:19:30 PM] Final Draft: which I never did
  209. [4:19:32 PM] Final Draft: ask the con staffs
  210. [4:19:42 PM] Final Draft: I was a 6 conventions last year
  211. [4:19:54 PM] Final Draft: And at NONE of them did I ever say "shut that camera down"
  212. [4:20:04 PM] Bob Carr: Hell, I was intending on having my staff keep an eye out after hearing how nervous 500 raised camera phones made some of my intended guests.
  213. [4:20:09 PM] Andrew Brockert: Draft wanted a substantial amount of panel/interview moderation exposure for BC Summer, but there was no talk of exclusivity.
  214. [4:20:19 PM] Sandy: You did, however, have your people on stage at all times w the VA's at these cons in 2011.
  215. [4:20:29 PM] Andrew Brockert: Indeed, I believe during the fire someone had to force you to shut a camera down. :P
  216. [4:20:34 PM] Final Draft: because I know how to do it right
  217. [4:20:45 PM] Final Draft: there was that Brockert lol
  218. [4:21:07 PM] Logan Biscornet: Yeah.  Draft has never asked us for exclusivity and it seems he won't in the future.
  219. [4:21:08 PM] Final Draft: Shamrock, you were in the call with Bronycon, I specifically told you and Spectrum that I was more than happy to work with you
  220. [4:21:08 PM] Bob Carr: As I've told Sandy multiple times, Final, "Why wouldn't you ask for fun stuff until someone finally tells you no?"
  221. [4:21:10 PM] Final Draft: in front of the entire BC board I said it, and I'll say it here
  222. [4:21:17 PM] lasairfion: we usually request no camera other than con cameras in Q&As, if only because raised hands holding cameras looks bad on our video footage, and is confusing if you want to raise your hand to ask a question
  223. [4:21:49 PM] Final Draft: I wasn't at buck last year, but I'm going to try to be this year
  224. [4:22:08 PM] lasairfion: and you're very welcome
  225. [4:22:20 PM] lasairfion: we're trying to make it even more fun
  226. [4:22:24 PM] Final Draft: honestly, CR, DHN, Bronyville, you guys are the worst politicians ever, I know full well of the rumors flying around about EFN and who's been spreading them
  227. [4:22:39 PM] Final Draft: My goal here is to say knock it off, because it's conspiratorial BS that doesn't have a logical basis
  228. [4:22:43 PM] lasairfion: well, we've heard what you've all said now
  229. [4:22:54 PM] lasairfion: we all agree there is no exclusivity nonsense...
  230. [4:22:55 PM] The Warden: no fucks given here
  231. [4:22:58 PM] Sandy: Actions speak louder than words Final.
  232. [4:23:03 PM] Final Draft: they sure do Sandy
  233. [4:23:12 PM] lasairfion: we're going to all apologise
  234. [4:23:15 PM] DJ Shamrock: Woah hey now, I don't know what rumors /you've/ been hearing but I've been totally neutral in this conversation
  235. [4:23:19 PM] lasairfion: and smile smile smile
  236. [4:23:22 PM] Apple Cider: Okay, then I look forward to MCing panels at Uncion with an equal standing, Final
  237. [4:23:31 PM] Final Draft: not likely after this stunt
  238. [4:23:36 PM | Edited 4:23:38 PM] lasairfion: oh and squash rumours when we hear them
  239. [4:23:45 PM] Final Draft: Why would conventions want to give you equal standing when you don't put in the hard work?
  240. [4:23:55 PM] Fadsy: : |
  241. [4:23:58 PM] Final Draft: why would they want to work with you guys when you half-assedly lob accusations at them?
  242. [4:24:06 PM | Edited 4:24:15 PM] lasairfion: Seriously, we're all in the same boat here. And we all work bucking hard to do what we do
  243. [4:24:07 PM] Perrydotto: I think the question of how much work is put in where should be answered by the cons
  244. [4:24:17 PM] Final Draft: no, we aren't all in the same boat
  245. [4:24:21 PM] Perrydotto: Yes we are.
  246. [4:24:24 PM] Final Draft: The conventions are
  247. [4:24:24 PM] The Warden: not me, I just don't give a rats ass anymore
  248. [4:24:30 PM] Final Draft: You never did squad
  249. [4:24:34 PM] lasairfion: We're all in the same fandom.
  250. [4:24:41 PM] Bob Carr: Whoa, whoa, whoa. What did I accuse Unicon  of? I can't think of anything.
  251. [4:24:44 PM] The Warden: yes, I did at one point Final
  252. [4:24:45 PM] Perrydotto: I'm sorry if you don't feel that way, Final, but I think we're all in the same fandom and we all want to do good for it
  253. [4:24:46 PM] Final Draft: complicity
  254. [4:24:53 PM] lasairfion: We all want what's best for bronies, and to have some fun whilst doing it.
  255. [4:25:26 PM] Apple Cider: I always treated conventions with the idea that they have enough work on their plate. They are trying to organize a massive gathering that I'm not in the business of pony. I'm here because I'm a fan. Bronycon, EQLA, CLG, and EFNW... all of those conventions we and other members of the press were given 0 access to time on stage
  256. [4:25:29 PM] Logan Biscornet: We all do want what is best.  The problem with the world is that people can't agree what that is
  257. [4:25:39 PM] Apple Cider: At EFNW I actually nearly cried because it was pitiful
  258. [4:25:39 PM] Bob Carr: Hey, I don't see working with you as a bad thing, Mike. You say "complicity."
  259. [4:25:49 PM] lasairfion: Well, no - we're human - we disagree on stuff
  260. [4:26:03 PM] lasairfion: but we should be sensible enough to talk it out here
  261. [4:26:13 PM] Final Draft: AC, that's between you and the conventions, but tbh you dont' have the track record of professionalism to back you up
  262. [4:26:18 PM] Final Draft: so it doesn't play in your favor
  263. [4:26:18 PM] Apple Cider: I was trying my damndest to put on a show, trying to help and be reiends with the con staff, and then i turn around and every single track is streamed by EFN and with their own talent running it
  264. [4:26:34 PM] Bob Carr: Now, speaking of rumor, I DID call her because I had been told--not by Sandy, this time--that you had promised her something that would have been illegal to promise her, but she assured me the rumor was false.
  265. [4:26:55 PM] Bob Carr: So my interest ended right there.
  266. [4:26:59 PM] Apple Cider: Professionalism? Final, why have I gotten Andrea and this week we have Andrew Francis on our show?
  267. [4:27:00 PM] lasairfion: It's a fact that a lot of the people involved in the fandom, don't have a track record of doing this. Most people are new to it, but they're trying their damndest, okay
  268. [4:27:18 PM] Apple Cider: If we're so unprofessional then why do we still get talented VAs?
  269. [4:27:29 PM] lasairfion: And why are we still arguing?
  270. [4:27:36 PM] Bob Carr: This whole thing is too delicate for any one of our cons to be in any kind of legal trouble, you know?
  271. [4:27:38 PM] Final Draft: I guess I should assume it's a conspiracy then
  272. [4:27:41 PM] Final Draft: and tweet to that effect
  273. [4:27:43 PM] Final Draft: XP
  274. [4:27:47 PM] lasairfion: Nope.
  275. [4:27:55 PM] sandi Adao: Guys point blank!!!!  I have no back deals with anyone from the MEDIA.  I have invited all of the media to come to the con.  I am setting them all up with vender tables, wifi connections and a green room where they can chill and do interviews if they so choose.  No one is any better than the other in my book.  It is all up to their fans.  We WILL be making announcements of additional guests coming up in the next couple of days.  And it is all BY MY contacts and no one elses that I was and able to make this happen.  It is by my perserverance.  Once our con if over I am happy to help other cons.  However I do not want to hear my name or our con name mentioned with rumors.  If someone wants to know if something is fact or fiction...email me, call me, or skype me....end of statement.
  276. [4:28:07 PM] lasairfion: All of you should go have a beer.
  277. [4:28:09 PM] Apple Cider: I don't say it's a conpsiracy. If I may
  278. [4:28:23 PM] Final Draft: then you're a step ahead of Sandy on this one
  279. [4:28:25 PM] Perrydotto: There is no conspiracy and no competition here. Well, there might be, but there shouldn't be.
  280. [4:28:26 PM] Apple Cider: Final, you offer a service and... tell you what... let me start by complementing you
  281. [4:28:27 PM] lasairfion: or in my case, I'll have ginger beer :P
  282. [4:28:30 PM] Apple Cider: if I may
  283. [4:28:32 PM] Perrydotto: And you all should read what Sandi just wrote, please
  284. [4:28:45 PM] Andrew Brockert: I agree re: the beer. (I'd like to point out, BTW, that BC January was a year ago today. That alone warrants drinking.)
  285. [4:28:45 PM] Perrydotto: So scroll up and take the minute to read it.
  286. [4:28:48 PM] Apple Cider: You have made EFN into something I don't think any other fandom has seen
  287. [4:28:50 PM] Bob Carr: Exactly, Sandi.
  288. [4:28:51 PM] Logan Biscornet: Logan Biscornet applauds Sandi
  289. [4:29:01 PM | Edited 4:29:06 PM] Logan Biscornet: Also yeah BronyCon January was a year ago
  290. [4:29:09 PM] Logan Biscornet: Crazy
  291. [4:29:32 PM] Final Draft: What I did here today is RARE, but I feel needed
  292. [4:29:32 PM] lasairfion: yeah, you have to give credit to where we all are today
  293. [4:29:46 PM] Final Draft: This is about 1% of the BS I deal with daily, honestly
  294. [4:29:57 PM] Final Draft: but about 90% of the rest stems from these rumors
  295. [4:30:11 PM] Final Draft: I implore you guys to think logically about what rumors you've heard and look at my track record
  296. [4:30:20 PM] Apple Cider: And I applaud that you've been able to do it. I have misgivings with you for several reasons - first was asking me that to be on your network required I disengage a friend of 10 years from our show. That aside. You have the power, the skills, and you're a damn fine negotiator
  297. [4:30:32 PM] Final Draft: I told you that was what I'd want, yes, but that was in a private conversation
  298. [4:30:34 PM] DJ Shamrock: DJ Shamrock hands Sandi a beer
  299. [4:30:42 PM] Final Draft: which you chose to make public to the world
  300. [4:30:45 PM] Final Draft: to stir up animosity
  301. [4:30:48 PM] Sandy: Yeah, you asked him to kick me off my own show.
  302. [4:30:51 PM] Final Draft: yup
  303. [4:30:53 PM] DJ Shamrock: I'm really looking forward to LPU, should be a blast
  304. [4:30:56 PM] Final Draft: I won't deny that
  305. [4:31:04 PM] Final Draft: If you were on EFN
  306. [4:31:06 PM] Apple Cider: It wasn't to stir up animosity. it was because you never took us seriously. Why would you ever ask that of someone?
  307. [4:31:08 PM] Final Draft: but I didn't think he'd agree to those terms
  308. [4:31:29 PM] Final Draft: Because that would be what I thought it would take to maintain my network's professionalism
  309. [4:31:37 PM] Final Draft: given sandy's history of going off on twitter, which we all know about
  310. [4:31:40 PM] Final Draft: that's it, really
  311. [4:31:44 PM] Final Draft: but even then, I was open to suggestions
  312. [4:31:52 PM] Final Draft: and we had a second call scheduled, which you dropped
  313. [4:31:52 PM] Apple Cider: So you judged Sandy off of his twitter conversations
  314. [4:31:55 PM] Sandy: Oh yes, my twitter, that my mom follows.
  315. [4:31:56 PM] Apple Cider: not talking to him but just twitter
  316. [4:32:08 PM] Final Draft: I judge public shows on public behavior
  317. [4:32:27 PM] Final Draft: I fully expect this text to get reposted somewhere, becuase although this is a private chat
  318. [4:32:37 PM] Final Draft: I often run into leakage
  319. [4:32:52 PM] Final Draft: but really, I'm a direct, honest person, and I don't have anything to hide
  320. [4:33:00 PM] Final Draft: so I dont' have a problem directly addressing these concerns
  321. [4:33:16 PM] Sandy: You know what the great thing is Final? It won't be me. You've said enough shit about other people in here that I wouldn't need to, even if I did such things. Information is my business, and keeping it is fucking important.
  322. [4:33:22 PM | Edited 4:33:46 PM] lasairfion: it's going to be a personal call as well Sandy - I personally veto guests to BUCK based on how I feel. It's not usually against them personally, but how it fits with my con
  323. [4:33:57 PM] Andrew Brockert: Ooh, I did that with Hotdiggedydemon! :D
  324. [4:34:12 PM] Apple Cider: So why even bring up the diologue if you were simply going to ask someone to ditch their friend?
  325. [4:34:45 PM] Apple Cider: Thats what I don't get. Because you're telling me I'm not professional and yet I have the integrity to stay with those close to me
  326. [4:35:00 PM] Final Draft: I told you what it would take to be an EFN show
  327. [4:35:04 PM] Apple Cider: Even Dusty thought it was a dumb move, Final
  328. [4:35:13 PM] Final Draft: which you asked me for, not the other way around
  329. [4:35:25 PM] lasairfion: Definitions of words are also subjective.
  330. [4:35:29 PM] Final Draft: Professional would be to keep the convesation between interested parties, I assumed you'd tell Sandy
  331. [4:35:39 PM | Edited 4:35:54 PM] Apple Cider: Sat there at EFNW with him and the EQI guys and just shook our heads
  332. [4:35:48 PM] Final Draft: congratulations?
  333. [4:36:03 PM] Final Draft: I mean, that's what it would have taken at that time, and I told you as much
  334. [4:36:13 PM] Final Draft: and I said, if you didn't want to do that, that I understood
  335. [4:36:13 PM] lasairfion: Look, this is obviously a personal thing between you guys, but Draft has the right to make his own choices for EFN - whether you think it good or bad.
  336. [4:36:16 PM] Apple Cider: Tell Sandy that our offer was 'you leave'?
  337. [4:36:16 PM] Final Draft: You asked me
  338. [4:36:36 PM] Final Draft: I didn't approach you about being on EFN, that was you asking, caught me unawares honestly
  339. [4:36:37 PM] lasairfion: Perhaps best to agree to disagree? and let it lie, rather than let it affect our public view
  340. [4:36:40 PM] Sandy: The only time we got into it on twitter Final was when I publicly said #SaveDerpy was a waste of time and spamming hasbro was a fools errand.
  341. [4:36:48 PM] Final Draft: lasairfion, I know the urge to mediate
  342. [4:36:55 PM] Final Draft: but let's have this out for once?
  343. [4:37:07 PM] lasairfion: I have to run anyway - but we ARE all trying to work for the same goals here
  344. [4:37:09 PM] Final Draft: Sandy, what you do with your twitter is your business
  345. [4:37:10 PM] Apple Cider: Final, I'll reach out to you in private in a few
  346. [4:37:24 PM] lasairfion: And you're ALL welcome at BUCK ;)
  347. [4:37:46 PM] Sandy: But you seem to care so much about it.
  348. [4:37:52 PM] Fadsy: No one's welcome at D'awwwcon
  349. [4:37:53 PM] Final Draft: the truth here, everyone, is that this is the source of so many of these baseless accusations I've had to defend to each of you individually
  350. [4:38:16 PM] Final Draft: And you're right, being vague is a waste of everyone's time
  351. [4:38:27 PM | Edited 4:38:34 PM] Scootaleo: I don't recall anything coming up here since the last time you came in here about it actually
  352. [4:38:32 PM] Apple Cider: Well, I'm glad it's out in the open
  353. [4:38:36 PM] Sandy: You honestly think I'm the villian here.
  354. [4:38:44 PM] Final Draft: I don't think you're evil lol
  355. [4:38:47 PM] Final Draft: I think you're butthurt
  356. [4:38:55 PM] Apple Cider: For what?
  357. [4:38:57 PM] Final Draft: And you've been acting out against EFN as a consequence
  358. [4:39:06 PM] Apple Cider: Butthurt for what?
  359. [4:39:34 PM] Final Draft: for apparent con transgressions
  360. [4:39:35 PM] Sandy: You think i've wasted time talking about you? I've got my own concerns. I'm not the only person you've burned Final.
  361. [4:39:51 PM] Final Draft: If PT is on that list, I'm not going to sweat it
  362. [4:39:54 PM] Scootaleo: oh Bob since I'm here real quick, have you heard anything new regarding VAs? I'm assuming that we haven't, or if so, it's not good news
  363. [4:40:19 PM] DJ Shamrock: Someone's late to the conversation :P
  364. [4:40:37 PM] Scootaleo: I'm still curious about Skyping them, but based on their specific concerns I'd wager those are off the table as well
  365. [4:41:28 PM] Final Draft: I'll say this - if PFP gets off the ground and can produce some decent content, I wouldn't be upset - the truth is that I support multiple media sources, it means more exposure for the fandom
  366. [4:41:39 PM] Final Draft: and I've said that behind the scenes and in front of the scenes all the time
  367. [4:42:29 PM] Bob Carr: Well, here we go. The new word out of Hasbro.
  368. [4:42:45 PM] Bob Carr: It's official: No more show staff at MLP-specific cons.
  369. [4:42:48 PM] Bob Carr: However...
  370. [4:43:03 PM] Final Draft: from who? that rumor has been floating for a while
  371. [4:43:15 PM] Bob Carr: Show staff at generalized animation cons are possible/probable.
  372. [4:43:24 PM] Bob Carr: From Ralph Streich, this morning.
  373. [4:43:27 PM] Perrydotto: Well dang.
  374. [4:43:41 PM] Scootaleo: curious, so really all they care about is whether or not we're branded as a pony centric event?
  375. [4:43:44 PM] Bob Carr: Basically, I think the agents folded after Hasbro stonewalled them long enough.
  376. [4:43:48 PM] Anchors (HSE): hm
  377. [4:43:53 PM] Final Draft: that's not true, I gotta call it
  378. [4:44:02 PM] Bob Carr: Please do.
  379. [4:44:03 PM] Final Draft: being that I work with Ralph's clients as well as others
  380. [4:44:11 PM] Bob Carr: Right, I've seen the pictures.
  381. [4:44:13 PM] Perrydotto: Well you're not a convention though.
  382. [4:44:13 PM] Final Draft: Bear in mind that I'm Lee Tockar's Operations manager for franbuilt
  383. [4:44:26 PM] Final Draft: So I work with him on VA matters daily
  384. [4:44:33 PM] Bob Carr: Go on.
  385. [4:44:33 PM] Final Draft: I don't bring that into this conversation because you're right, I'm not a convention
  386. [4:44:36 PM] Final Draft: and I'm not a booking agent
  387. [4:44:36 PM] The Warden: whats your insight on this situation?
  388. [4:44:59 PM] Perrydotto: We were told that we could get Lee to come to our convention IF he's there to advertise Fanbuilt, not to talk about MLP.
  389. [4:45:00 PM] Final Draft: If ralph is calling it that Hasbro is stonewalling, I didn't hear that from anyone
  390. [4:45:14 PM] glothar: I am taking everything with a grain of salt until I hear from Hasbro at this point
  391. [4:45:20 PM] Final Draft: Perry, that's true, and I can tell you that because I work for Fanbuilt!
  392. [4:45:24 PM] Final Draft: Glothar, exactly
  393. [4:46:11 PM] Scootaleo: what about liscensees? does Hasbro have any claim over them as well? I would assume no but I'm not exactly sure
  394. [4:46:20 PM] Bob Carr: Final, besides the agents, one of the guys in Hasbro's legal department is an alumnus of the law school I worked for while he was a student there.
  395. [4:46:20 PM] Perrydotto: Well, SDI Media is not part of this situation at all
  396. [4:46:33 PM] Perrydotto: Which means that the dub staff is fair game.
  397. [4:46:45 PM] Bob Carr: So, to finish my thought:
  398. [4:46:59 PM] Final Draft: hasbro's legal, marketing, studios, and development are separate animals
  399. [4:47:09 PM] Final Draft: and while legal may be leaning that way, it doesn't speak for PR
  400. [4:47:13 PM] Final Draft: at least, not yet
  401. [4:47:16 PM] Final Draft: until PR says something
  402. [4:48:11 PM] Bob Carr: Don't make the con obviously 100% MLP, list all the bona fides of any guest, i.e. mention Andrea Libman's work on Maya the Bee as well as on FiM, be vague with your event listing and advertising, and you may be okay.
  403. [4:48:30 PM] DJ Shamrock: I thought this all came from Matt anyway
  404. [4:49:10 PM] Tenkoman (Gerjet B.): Unfortunately we can't play the Maya the Bee card - even though we have a 100% A-OK from Studio100.
  405. [4:49:20 PM] Bob Carr: Ralph, Caroline Young, and another agent are trying to set up a conference call with the various HAsbro folks they need to talk to in an attempt to confirm that this will continue for 2013.
  406. [4:49:52 PM] Bob Carr: Well, interesting you say that, Shamrock. Also, you stole my title for Best Beard of 2012. Asshat.
  407. [4:50:06 PM] Fadsy: Don't worry
  408. [4:50:21 PM] Fadsy: I'm taking care of that myself next month <3
  409. [4:50:39 PM] Bob Carr: More to the point, Matt Proulx flat-out told me he was no longer Hasbro's point man for con approval back in September. Just found out today that I was lied to.
  410. [4:50:42 PM] Scootaleo: I'm hoping my concept woks out okay, I suppose we'll find out in due time
  411. [4:50:47 PM] Bob Carr: Or misinformed, at the very least.
  412. [4:51:15 PM] Bob Carr: Rakph was told the same thing, so at least I wasn't alone.
  413. [4:51:27 PM] lasairfion: *back*
  414. [4:51:43 PM] DJ Shamrock: Haha
  415. [4:51:45 PM] lasairfion: well, Proulx is a sneaky son of a snake
  416. [4:51:53 PM] lasairfion: no surprises there
  417. [4:51:59 PM] Bob Carr: Now, Mike, I've heard you know Matt pretty well, so I'd like to hear what you know about this.
  418. [4:52:26 PM] Scootaleo: I'll have to read the logs later, it's too bad that I don't realize what's going on until right as I need to leave for work... hehe it's my own fault though
  419. [4:52:45 PM] Final Draft: I'm going to post this quick, then go back to emailing: every stupid rumor is just that, stupid. And I am more than happy, privately or publically, to dispell any concerns.  You all know EFN's track record. If you chose to believe conspiracy theories, I urge you to find proof. Beyond that, I don't intend to stir any more drama than has been stirred, because for the people in here who actually work for conventions, it's not worth your time.
  420. [4:53:11 PM] Final Draft: And Bob, I don't need your condescension, you showed your colors today well enough.
  421. [4:53:42 PM] Bob Carr: Ooookay.
  422. [4:53:43 PM] The Warden: oh snap
  423. [4:53:47 PM] Perrydotto: I thought we had moved on from rumour talk, Final
  424. [4:53:48 PM] Scootaleo: I keep hearing different things, I just tend to go with the one that sounds worst to be on the safe side, but I'd be curious to talk to you later if you'd be up for it
  425. [4:53:52 PM] Oskar Westerlund:  When can we expect the official statement besides these second hand sources?
  426. [4:53:53 PM] Fadsy: : |
  427. [4:54:12 PM] Scootaleo: but I really gotta go now
  428. [4:54:15 PM] Bob Carr: I was aiming for conciliatory, but I guess I was on the wrong page.
  429. [4:54:20 PM] lasairfion: Well, Bob mentioned further phone calls - can't see anything happening til the weekend eh
  430. [4:54:33 PM] DJ Shamrock: Yeah I thought we were past all that business already o.o
  431. [4:54:37 PM] Bob Carr: Ralph told me mid-week next week.
  432. [4:55:20 PM] Apple Cider: FP, just slipping out the door with a uppercut
  433. [4:55:26 PM | Edited 4:55:46 PM] Oskar Westerlund: There is probably tons of stuff circulating at random inside Hasbro too. So unless something comes directly from the guys discussing the contractual side of things it'll be difficult to say exactly what is to come.
  434. [4:56:33 PM] Jade Aurora (Haybuck): Reaing up, I'm going to be honest. At LPU? I know a ton of us are going. Why don't we all make a time, sit down, have a beer, and actually try to be social and friendly? </naive>
  435. [4:56:50 PM] Fadsy: I'm up for it
  436. [4:57:12 PM] DJ Shamrock: Well I'll be hosting the unofficial drinking ceremony
  437. [4:57:13 PM] glothar: I will moderate.  If someone flies me out
  438. [4:57:25 PM] DJ Shamrock: we're up in the penthouses so everyone's invited
  439. [4:57:37 PM] Jade Aurora (Haybuck): I'm figuring a friendly beer at a bar, just chilling.
  440. [4:57:41 PM] Fadsy: I'll be the bouncer
  441. [4:57:52 PM] Jade Aurora (Haybuck): A lot lower energy than that. XD
  442. [4:57:55 PM] DJ Shamrock: I don't know, getting plastered can often reveal a fellow's true nature I find
  443. [4:58:05 PM] The Warden: yeah I tend to smash things when I get drunk
  444. [4:58:15 PM] DJ Shamrock: Ok well Derpy can take it easy then
  445. [4:58:22 PM] The Warden: mostly furniture from flopping into it, my friends poor beer stools :(
  446. [4:58:24 PM] Jade Aurora (Haybuck): XD
  447. [4:58:30 PM] Jade Aurora (Haybuck): Warden, you get to take it easy.
  448. [4:58:32 PM] Dan Vincent: I moderate my drinking. But I will definitely have fun.
  449. [4:58:37 PM] Jade Aurora (Haybuck): So, Draft. If you're still around. You in?
  450. [4:58:37 PM] Perrydotto: If only I could make it to Unicon
  451. [4:58:45 PM] Oskar Westerlund: You and me both Perry
  452. [4:59:05 PM] Fadsy: One of my big reasons for going just pretty much said they might not be able to
  453. [4:59:12 PM] DJ Shamrock: We could hit Peppermill, it's a lounge right next to the Riviera
  454. [5:00:46 PM] Final Draft: I'd find that sort of thing akin to asking the women from the Salem which trials out to a butter-churining social.
  455. [5:01:19 PM] Jade Aurora (Haybuck): Yeah, figured that was kind of naive of me.
  456. [5:01:31 PM] Perrydotto: I would have been down for it, Haybuck, but then again Unicon is kinda really far away
  457. [5:01:47 PM] Fadsy: At least you tried, Haybuck : <
  458. [5:01:52 PM] DJ Shamrock: I fucking lol'd
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