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2.5 Hour Conversation with Chinese MTG Counterfeiter Please Share

January 14, 2014 ~ learningkitty

I had a two and a half hour conversation with the person making the Chinese counterfeit magic cards. This video is our Skype conversation and my website which only changed the Name and Email.  Everything else is the same.  The link to the information is learningkitty.com   I contacted Delson Huang pretending to be a massive buyer of Counterfeit Cards.  Delson is the owner of the printing press that is making the high quality fakes.  I learned a lot about how these cards are being sold.  Currently the only few counterfeits in the market.  The current counterfeits are due to someone “tricking” Delson into sending free samples and this person selling on EBay.  This person did not pay Delson at all.  Cards are being shipped in 55 packets but Delson says they have a new list of 80 cards which is at the bottom.  1000 packets will be made and shipped on January 19th.  Interesting enough the majority seems to be going to Brazil and Spain.  There are no “big” buyers at the moment.  The most amazing part of this conversation is that they are getting better by learning from the “how to spot a fake” articles.  They are well aware these articles exist.  For 100,000 cards they charge 10,000 dollars.  For 1000 tarmogoys they charge 450 dollars.   For a packet of 55 it is 25 dollars.  I got the address the facility is at, the paypal account email, his name, his email, what university he went to, and what city he lives in.  I also found out how he is shipping them, what countries are receiving them, and that his plan is to continue printing in secrecy and he has no intention of quitting.  I attached the original emails as well as the entire Skype conversation.  The only thing that has changed is the Name and Email to protect my privacy.

 

I made two promises to my subscribers when I made this channel.  One is that I don’t feed until you feed.  The other is older and from Newlaw Student…  And that is to be honest.  It did cross my mind to firesale all my cards….  But that wouldn’t be honest….  I’m holding on to all my cards in the hopes that Wizards will get this and shut Delson down before the 19th.  I also hope the community will share this with Wizards as an EMERGENCY by tweeting, writing emails, forwarding this video.  I have done all I could.

 

And they are going to print the black lotus and time walk soon….

 

[1:12:04 AM] MTG LION: Hi Delson Huang, I’d like to add you as a contact. MTG LION

 

[1:13:34 AM] MTG LION: I am very very interested.  please let me know what the next step would be.

 

[1:14:25 AM] MTG LION: Money is ready to be delivered in Yuans.  Cash is not an issue.  Plus I’ll handle delivery  if you wish (or you can charge me for it; not sure how you do business).

 

[1:17:16 AM] Delson Huang: Delson Huang has shared contact details with MTG LION.

 

[1:17:37 AM] MTG LION: hi delson.  how are you?

 

[1:17:47 AM] MTG LION: you want to chat here or via skype.

 

[1:20:19 AM] MTG LION: my cousins actually live in Guangdong.  Parents live in hong kong.

 

[1:22:37 AM] MTG LION: You did something I have never seen before.  make a near perfect magic card.  I have never seen one this good before.

 

[1:23:21 AM] Delson Huang: but you never seen our cards, right?

 

[1:23:27 AM] Delson Huang: just hearing from some others

 

[1:23:43 AM] MTG LION: I have one right now.  Force of Will.

 

[1:24:04 AM] MTG LION: its fake and i think it is yours.  no hard feelings though.  :)

 

[1:24:24 AM] MTG LION: this is my real skype.

 

[1:24:26 AM] MTG LION: my real email.

 

[1:24:37 AM] MTG LION: which is attached to the paypal which i will likely pay you from.

 

[1:24:41 AM] MTG LION: i’m serious.

 

[1:25:40 AM] MTG LION: I am ready to pay more than what you normally would receive.  Time is what I am paying for.

 

[1:26:19 AM] MTG LION: I will even express ship it.

 

[1:26:53 AM] Delson Huang: can you speak chinese?

 

[1:27:00 AM] Delson Huang: you have picture of the card?

 

[1:27:05 AM] MTG LION: yes.

 

[1:27:07 AM] Delson Huang: I sold to USA?

 

[1:27:20 AM] MTG LION: I can take one now and upload it.

 

[1:27:34 AM] MTG LION: and yes i can speak chinese.

 

[1:27:42 AM] MTG LION: I was born in Shanghai

 

[1:27:48 AM] MTG LION: went to school in the US.

 

[1:28:09 AM] MTG LION: and never left.

 

[1:29:40 AM] Delson Huang: ok, take the picture to me and I can identify it out

 

[1:29:46 AM] Delson Huang: if this card is ours

 

[1:29:47 AM] MTG LION: okay

 

[1:29:52 AM] MTG LION: i’m sending it to twitter.

 

[1:29:56 AM] MTG LION: and will send you the link.

 

[1:30:27 AM] MTG LION: i used my camera phone.  but its a hd camera.

 

[1:31:16 AM] Delson Huang: I can’t scan twitter

 

[1:31:26 AM] Delson Huang: send me the photos directly

 

[1:31:34 AM] Delson Huang: I have a bad net work

 

[1:31:37 AM] Delson Huang: I am really sorry

 

[1:34:56 AM] MTG LION: okay.  email?

 

[1:35:08 AM] MTG LION: its pretty high resolution.

 

[1:36:02 AM] MTG LION: its ready to be sent to your email

 

[1:37:20 AM] MTG LION: honestly i just want to be the first one… or one of the first ones.  since that’s where the value is…. being second doesn’t matter.

 

[1:37:27 AM] MTG LION: I can pay a higher price to be first.

 

[1:37:47 AM] MTG LION: since i know that will cause trouble for your later business…

 

[1:38:32 AM] Delson Huang: ok,

 

[1:38:49 AM] Delson Huang: can you send me just one picture at first?

 

[1:39:02 AM] MTG LION: yes.

 

[1:39:03 AM] MTG LION: email?

 

[1:39:17 AM] Delson Huang: [email removed]

 

[1:40:15 AM] MTG LION: sent

 

[1:40:18 AM] MTG LION: from nyu account

 

[1:40:22 AM] Delson Huang: skype can send picture too

 

[1:40:42 AM] MTG LION: did not know.  well i sent it to your email.  seems like a bit got cut off.  wel let me know if they are yours.

 

[1:40:46 AM] MTG LION: or if i need another picture.

 

[1:41:28 AM] *** MTG LION sent unnamed.jpg *** [Force of Will and Jace are REAL]

 

[1:41:32 AM] MTG LION: here you go.

 

[1:41:58 AM] MTG LION: timestamped a few minutes ago.

 

[1:42:18 AM] MTG LION: the card feels a little weird though… like there is wax.  but in a sleeve you can’t tell

 

[1:44:01 AM] Delson Huang: aha,

 

[1:44:03 AM] Delson Huang: that is black core paper

 

[1:44:09 AM] MTG LION: what is that?

 

[1:44:22 AM] Delson Huang: sorry

 

[1:44:27 AM] Delson Huang: I don’t know wax

 

[1:44:41 AM] MTG LION: so this isn’t yours?

 

[1:44:53 AM] Delson Huang: it maybe our cards

 

[1:44:57 AM] MTG LION: i brought it sleeved and never took it out.

 

[1:44:57 AM] Delson Huang: I just don’t know wax

 

[1:45:00 AM] MTG LION: until recently

 

[1:45:03 AM] MTG LION: well its not wax

 

[1:45:08 AM] MTG LION: it just feels different

 

[1:45:16 AM] MTG LION: can’t explain it exactly.

 

[1:45:24 AM] MTG LION: but when i unsleeved it.  i knew it was not right

 

[1:45:46 AM] MTG LION: it feels different from my real force of will

 

[1:45:47 AM] MTG LION: and jace

 

[1:46:13 AM] MTG LION: but its pretty close to the real thing.  i sell a lot of magic cards… and i couldn’t tell in a sleeve.

 

[1:46:37 AM] Delson Huang: ahaha,

 

[1:46:56 AM] MTG LION: obviously i can buy sleeves myself

 

[1:46:57 AM] Delson Huang: our cards indeed a little different from the original ones

 

[1:47:08 AM] MTG LION: my plan is to buy your cards put them in sleeves

 

[1:47:36 AM] MTG LION: i want to dominate this market just give me a price.

 

[1:47:41 AM] MTG LION: i’m sure i’m okay with it.

 

[1:47:49 AM] MTG LION: price in yuans?

 

[1:47:51 AM] MTG LION: or dollars?

 

[1:47:53 AM] MTG LION: doesn’t matter to me.

 

[1:48:00 AM] MTG LION: 100,000 cards.

 

[1:48:42 AM] MTG LION: i can even pay in hong kong dollars… haha

 

[1:49:06 AM] MTG LION: I can have someone pick it up.  so if you are worried about shipping… not an issue.

 

[1:49:42 AM] Delson Huang: dollars

 

[1:50:00 AM] Delson Huang: 10W cards in total?

 

[1:50:06 AM] Delson Huang: do you have the name list?

 

[1:50:15 AM] MTG LION: I believed you had 55 already?

 

[1:50:18 AM] MTG LION: no?

 

[1:50:19 AM] Delson Huang: or just randy cards?

 

[1:50:30 AM] Delson Huang: we haev 80 cards design now。

 

[1:50:44 AM] MTG LION: i don’t need the list.  although helpful.

 

[1:50:48 AM] Delson Huang: but it is beyong enough

 

[1:50:59 AM] MTG LION: i just want to make sure its all cards more than 5 dolalrs

 

[1:50:59 AM] Delson Huang: wo you mean?

 

[1:51:04 AM] MTG LION: of the 80.

 

[1:51:14 AM] MTG LION: I assume you know what you are doing.

 

[1:51:24 AM] Delson Huang: yes, of risk

 

[1:51:27 AM] MTG LION: like picking the valuable ones.

 

[1:51:39 AM] MTG LION: like you aren’t printing bad cards.

 

[1:51:55 AM] MTG LION: as for the risk.  you will be compensated well

 

[1:52:32 AM] MTG LION: do you have a list of the 80?  i’m fine with trusting you that there are no bad ones.

 

[1:52:38 AM] MTG LION: if you don’t want to give me the list.

 

[1:52:42 AM] MTG LION: other than that let’s talk money

 

[1:52:47 AM] Delson Huang: I can give you

 

[1:52:51 AM] MTG LION: okay.

 

[1:52:57 AM] MTG LION: i just want to make sure there is no bad cards

 

[1:53:00 AM] *** Delson Huang sent MTG cards list.doc *** [Complete List Down Below]

 

[1:53:24 AM] Delson Huang: and one customer asked to do 500 cards images to me

 

[1:53:43 AM] MTG LION: stupid.

 

[1:53:46 AM] Delson Huang: if that business done, that will be a great of cards pictures in stock

 

[1:53:48 AM] MTG LION: you don’t need that many.

 

[1:54:05 AM] MTG LION: you only need the pricy ones… haha

 

[1:54:31 AM] MTG LION: list is good.

 

[1:54:40 AM] MTG LION: how many can i buy? of the 80?

 

[1:54:44 AM] MTG LION: and how much

 

[1:54:58 AM] MTG LION: and do you want to ship.  if so.  i want to express it.  overnight.

 

[1:55:08 AM] MTG LION: i can get my cousin to ship it for me if you want.

 

[1:55:21 AM] Delson Huang: oh, bad man, you want to do this business so fast?

 

[1:55:31 AM] MTG LION: i’m ready.

 

[1:55:38 AM] MTG LION: I want to be first to market

 

[1:55:40 AM] Delson Huang: you can pick the valuable ones from the 80 cards list

 

[1:55:47 AM] MTG LION: can’t i just pick all 80?

 

[1:55:57 AM] Delson Huang: 80 all, of course you can,

 

[1:56:17 AM] MTG LION: okay.  how many can you make in what time frame.

 

[1:56:24 AM] MTG LION: super urgent that i get to market first.

 

[1:56:54 AM] Delson Huang: before 25th

 

[1:57:07 AM] Delson Huang: today is 15th

 

[1:57:13 AM] Delson Huang: 10 days is enough

 

[1:57:16 AM] MTG LION: well ow many… 100,000

 

[1:57:28 AM] MTG LION: you can make that in 10 days?

 

[1:57:28 AM] Delson Huang: wait for seconds

 

[1:57:49 AM] MTG LION: so how many first batch?

 

[1:58:00 AM] MTG LION: and price.

 

[1:58:24 AM] Delson Huang: you want 10W cards at once or seperately?

 

[1:58:47 AM] MTG LION: okay i see 10W is chinese for 100,000.  haha.  just got that.

 

[1:58:54 AM] MTG LION: wan.

 

[1:58:57 AM] MTG LION: chinese is rusty.

 

[1:58:58 AM] Delson Huang: yes

 

[1:59:22 AM] MTG LION: are you saying by the 25th you will have 10W made and ready to ship?

 

[2:00:06 AM] Delson Huang: 25th around, because we will have 15days holiday from 25th to 10th feberary

 

[2:00:23 AM] Delson Huang: so we need to finish the work before that

 

[2:00:34 AM] MTG LION: of course.

 

[2:00:54 AM] Delson Huang: but do you want higher quality cards or just the quality you got?

 

[2:01:01 AM] MTG LION: you can do better?

 

[2:01:07 AM] Delson Huang: the words

 

[2:01:14 AM] Delson Huang: our designer can do that better

 

[2:01:17 AM] MTG LION: you fixed them… haha

 

[2:01:20 AM] MTG LION: whats the time line.

 

[2:01:22 AM] MTG LION: if i want better

 

[2:01:33 AM] Delson Huang: if so, we can just wait to next month

 

[2:01:52 AM] MTG LION: so next month it will be fixed?

 

[2:01:57 AM] Delson Huang: fix the words problems need many time

 

[2:02:02 AM] Delson Huang: yes

 

[2:02:06 AM] Delson Huang: all be fixed

 

[2:02:16 AM] MTG LION: can i ask you how you would like to be paid?

 

[2:02:19 AM] MTG LION: paypal

 

[2:02:21 AM] MTG LION: wire

 

[2:02:27 AM] MTG LION: personal deliery.

 

[2:02:48 AM] Delson Huang: paypal is convenient

 

[2:02:53 AM] Delson Huang: buy more charge fees

 

[2:03:05 AM] MTG LION: haha.  don’t worry i’ll cover the fees

 

[2:03:06 AM] MTG LION: for you.

 

[2:03:13 AM] Delson Huang: that is great

 

[2:03:23 AM] MTG LION: i actually order a lot from a person who designs cosplay for me.

 

[2:03:28 AM] Delson Huang: so you need higher quality next month?

 

[2:03:37 AM] Delson Huang: cosplay?

 

[2:04:07 AM] MTG LION: yes procosplay on etsy

 

[2:04:12 AM] MTG LION: i need both.

 

[2:04:16 AM] MTG LION: i need the lower quality now.

 

[2:04:20 AM] MTG LION: and the higher next month.

 

[2:04:31 AM] MTG LION: i need something right now.

 

[2:04:40 AM] Delson Huang: cool,

 

[2:04:48 AM] MTG LION: so i’m used to sending money to china.

 

[2:04:54 AM] Delson Huang: 10000 USD, 30% deposit

 

[2:05:15 AM] MTG LION: okay.  for 10W of the current batch [W is the Chinese for 10,000]

 

[2:05:20 AM] Delson Huang: yes

 

[2:05:28 AM] MTG LION: how much for the new batch?

 

[2:05:44 AM] Delson Huang: also 10W cards>

 

[2:05:45 AM] Delson Huang: ?

 

[2:05:48 AM] MTG LION: yes.

 

[2:05:58 AM] Delson Huang: add 2000

 

[2:06:04 AM] MTG LION: only…

 

[2:06:05 AM] Delson Huang: 12000 in total

 

[2:06:09 AM] MTG LION: wow.  that’s cheap.

 

[2:06:20 AM] Delson Huang: the 2000 is for the designer

 

[2:06:25 AM] MTG LION: okay how about this.  I obviously want the new batch more.

 

[2:06:41 AM] MTG LION: can i buy a smaller amount of the old batch and put a deposit on that to see the quality.

 

[2:06:46 AM] MTG LION: and put in the rest on the new batch

 

[2:06:51 AM] MTG LION: when you have it ready?

 

[2:06:56 AM] MTG LION: i’ll put down a deposit there too.

 

[2:07:14 AM] MTG LION: I essentially want a larger sample to see consistency

 

[2:07:17 AM] Delson Huang: you pay at the same time?

 

[2:07:45 AM] MTG LION: can you gurantee the new batch a month from now will have all the problems fixe?

 

[2:07:49 AM] MTG LION: if so then yes.

 

[2:08:11 AM] Delson Huang: at least the words problem can be fixed

 

[2:08:32 AM] Delson Huang: we had already found the typeface of the origianl cards

 

[2:08:40 AM] MTG LION: oh…  very nice.

 

[2:09:07 AM] MTG LION: here’s my concern.

 

[2:09:13 AM] MTG LION: that if i wait… someone else will hire you.

 

[2:09:22 AM] MTG LION: before i get to the new fixed typeface one.

 

[2:09:34 AM] MTG LION: and then they beat me to market.

 

[2:09:35 AM] Delson Huang: you mean some smaller business?

 

[2:09:39 AM] MTG LION: yes.

 

[2:09:59 AM] Delson Huang: I just sell them 4 decks at a time

 

[2:10:06 AM] Delson Huang: the big market is still yours

 

[2:10:26 AM] MTG LION: okay… so if i wait for the problem to be fixed… there won’t be a flood until later.

 

[2:11:03 AM] MTG LION: how much is 4 decks selling for?

 

[2:11:06 AM] Delson Huang: do you think 1000-2000 cards will flood the market?

 

[2:11:14 AM] MTG LION: no.

 

[2:11:25 AM] Delson Huang: I sell them at $135 include shipping fee

 

[2:11:37 AM] MTG LION: can i ask how many you sold?

 

[2:11:47 AM] Delson Huang: zero

 

[2:11:52 AM] MTG LION: ????

 

[2:11:55 AM] Delson Huang: because I just gave them a quote

 

[2:12:01 AM] MTG LION: oh i see

 

[2:12:02 AM] Delson Huang: and the cards are still being made

 

[2:12:46 AM] MTG LION: okay let’s do it then.

 

[2:12:55 AM] MTG LION: only question left.  how do i know you won’t do this with someone else?

 

[2:13:03 AM] MTG LION: like sell them 10W before me.

 

[2:13:30 AM] Delson Huang: no one like you ordering so much

 

[2:13:56 AM] Delson Huang: they just want 1000 cards playing with friends instead of selling them

 

[2:14:02 AM] MTG LION: silly….

 

[2:14:04 AM] MTG LION: so silly.

 

[2:14:14 AM] MTG LION: when will the first one be available.

 

[2:14:16 AM] MTG LION: and how many?

 

[2:14:27 AM] Delson Huang: I said to them 19th this month

 

[2:15:02 AM] MTG LION: can i get a sample order as well? of 10 to make sure quality is good?

 

[2:15:05 AM] Delson Huang: so 19th this month, I will have many small orders

 

[2:15:17 AM] Delson Huang: sure you can

 

[2:15:21 AM] MTG LION: price?

 

[2:15:22 AM] Delson Huang: you can buy cards like them

 

[2:15:31 AM] Delson Huang: $25/set

 

[2:15:34 AM] MTG LION: with express

 

[2:15:38 AM] MTG LION: mail

 

[2:15:45 AM] Delson Huang: DHL

 

[2:15:46 AM] MTG LION: you can tell i don’t like waiting…

 

[2:15:59 AM] Delson Huang: the fast method

 

[2:15:59 AM] Delson Huang: DHL

 

[2:16:15 AM] MTG LION: what is a set?  55 or 80?

 

[2:16:23 AM] Delson Huang: 55 cards/set

 

[2:16:36 AM] Delson Huang: so total 250+40

 

[2:16:52 AM] MTG LION: shipping i assume is 40

 

[2:17:13 AM] Delson Huang: yes

 

[2:17:25 AM] Delson Huang: enough for fastest method

 

[2:17:30 AM] MTG LION: can i have my cousin look at them?

 

[2:17:32 AM] MTG LION: or no?

 

[2:17:40 AM] MTG LION: she can pick them up

 

[2:17:40 AM] Delson Huang: where is he?

 

[2:17:45 AM] MTG LION: guandong

 

[2:17:50 AM] Delson Huang: does he play MTG games?

 

[2:17:53 AM] MTG LION: no.

 

[2:18:01 AM] Delson Huang: you can let he come to our factory directly

 

[2:18:05 AM] MTG LION: okay great.

 

[2:18:10 AM] Delson Huang: I will show cards to him

 

[2:18:42 AM] Delson Huang: you can tell him my address: 深圳市光明新区公明镇合水口创维路5号

 

[2:18:46 AM] Delson Huang: 望京印刷

 

[2:18:50 AM] MTG LION: thank you.

 

[2:19:11 AM] Delson Huang: where does he live

 

[2:19:21 AM] Delson Huang: guangzhou or shenzhen?

 

[2:19:28 AM] MTG LION: guangzhou.

 

[2:19:35 AM] Delson Huang: very near

 

[2:19:42 AM] MTG LION: my other counsins live in shanghai. and they play magic.

 

[2:19:44 AM] Delson Huang: does he know MTG cards as well?

 

[2:19:50 AM] MTG LION: not the one in guangzhou.

 

[2:19:53 AM] Delson Huang: I see

 

[2:19:57 AM] MTG LION: but in shanghai yes.

 

[2:20:24 AM] Delson Huang: but when you pay the money, can you pay them seperately?

 

[2:20:36 AM] MTG LION: ???

 

[2:20:36 AM] Delson Huang: I want to have some in my own pocket

 

[2:20:42 AM] MTG LION: of course.

 

[2:20:46 AM] Delson Huang: some to my factory

 

[2:20:48 AM] MTG LION: we are chinese… so i understand.

 

[2:20:53 AM] Delson Huang: 哈哈

 

[2:20:59 AM] MTG LION: hehe.

 

[2:21:11 AM] MTG LION: my uncle works for the goverment

 

[2:21:15 AM] MTG LION: so i understand very well.

 

[2:21:21 AM] Delson Huang: yes

 

[2:21:31 AM] MTG LION: is there anyway i can pay you directly?

 

[2:21:36 AM] MTG LION: paypal

 

[2:21:37 AM] Delson Huang: paypal

 

[2:21:50 AM] Delson Huang: my paypal account is [email protected]

 

[2:21:52 AM] MTG LION: okay

 

[2:22:01 AM] MTG LION: when do you want payment for the small order of 10?

 

[2:22:21 AM] MTG LION: and the big order

 

[2:22:21 AM] Delson Huang: does this kind of cards have a very big market in USA?

 

[2:22:31 AM] MTG LION: yes.

 

[2:22:41 AM] MTG LION: how many people contacted you?

 

[2:22:48 AM] Delson Huang: hundreds

 

[2:23:00 AM] Delson Huang: but I replied most of them : we are stopped by police

 

[2:23:07 AM] MTG LION: haha…

 

[2:23:07 AM] Delson Huang: and not sold anymore

 

[2:23:19 AM] Delson Huang: just a few of them know the truth

 

[2:23:29 AM] MTG LION: i’m sure they won’t tell anyone since its in our mutual interest

 

[2:23:31 AM] MTG LION: not to.

 

[2:23:32 AM] Delson Huang: it is no problem here

 

[2:23:35 AM] Delson Huang: at least this time

 

[2:24:02 AM] Delson Huang: and when problem comes, I will leave my company and do my own work

 

[2:24:24 AM] MTG LION: let’s order 10 for now… until you prefected the process. then i’ll order the 100,000 when the type is finished.

 

[2:24:31 AM] MTG LION: what other work do you have?

 

[2:24:40 AM] Delson Huang: I don’t know

 

[2:24:42 AM] MTG LION: pokemon cards and yugioh cards

 

[2:24:47 AM] MTG LION: are very popular too.

 

[2:24:48 AM] Delson Huang: my work is trading sales

 

[2:25:01 AM] MTG LION: did you go to college in China?

 

[2:25:05 AM] Delson Huang: yes

 

[2:25:07 AM] MTG LION: which one.

 

[2:25:12 AM] Delson Huang: xiamen

 

[2:25:14 AM] MTG LION: i went to nanjing for semester

 

[2:25:15 AM] Delson Huang: university

 

[2:25:28 AM] Delson Huang: nanjing is far  from me

 

[2:25:31 AM] MTG LION: i know.

 

[2:25:37 AM] Delson Huang: do you know xiamen university?

 

[2:25:40 AM] MTG LION: yes.

 

[2:25:44 AM] MTG LION: i grew up in china

 

[2:25:49 AM] MTG LION: went to college at NYU

 

[2:25:57 AM] MTG LION: and then to law school at William and Mary

 

[2:26:29 AM] MTG LION: okay can you email me when it is time to pay for those 10?

 

[2:26:37 AM] Delson Huang: so what about your job now?

 

[2:26:42 AM] MTG LION: general counsel

 

[2:26:54 AM] MTG LION: in texas.

 

[2:27:12 AM] Delson Huang: if you are free to pay , this time is OK

 

[2:27:25 AM] MTG LION: have other people paid yet?

 

[2:27:32 AM] Delson Huang: or you can wait until I can take pictures in 19th

 

[2:27:38 AM] Delson Huang: no one paied yet

 

[2:27:45 AM] MTG LION: okay can you email them to [email protected]

 

[2:28:14 AM] MTG LION: will DHL have tracking?

 

[2:28:21 AM] Delson Huang: I just tell you the paypal account here

 

[2:28:31 AM] Delson Huang: DHL have tracking number then

 

[2:28:36 AM] MTG LION: will have invoice us?

 

[2:29:01 AM] Delson Huang: I can do that

 

[2:29:07 AM] MTG LION: great.  invoice the above email

 

[2:29:10 AM] Delson Huang: you need some 报销 or what?

 

[2:29:50 AM] MTG LION: if possible yes.

 

[2:29:53 AM] MTG LION: receipts are always good.

 

[2:29:55 AM] MTG LION: haha.

 

[2:30:15 AM] MTG LION: okay sounds good.

 

[2:30:27 AM] MTG LION: one last thing how much for the 10W type fixed?

 

[2:30:53 AM] Delson Huang: I told you 12000

 

[2:31:24 AM] MTG LION: well that was for 10W unfixed and 10W fixed.

 

[2:31:34 AM] MTG LION: 10000 for 10W fixed?

 

[2:31:37 AM] Delson Huang: yes

 

[2:31:40 AM] MTG LION: okay.

 

[2:31:46 AM] MTG LION: deposit when?

 

[2:31:55 AM] MTG LION: 3000 deposited on what date.

 

[2:31:59 AM] MTG LION: so i can put the money away

 

[2:32:07 AM] Delson Huang: today is OK,

 

[2:32:20 AM] MTG LION: haha…  i’m chinese… i need to at least see something…

 

[2:32:30 AM] MTG LION: before i deposit 3000

 

[2:32:31 AM] Delson Huang: invoice?

 

[2:32:37 AM] Delson Huang: or the 10 samples?

 

[2:32:43 AM] MTG LION: yes

 

[2:32:46 AM] MTG LION: the 10 samples

 

[2:32:55 AM] Delson Huang: that is no problem

 

[2:33:01 AM] MTG LION: okay good.

 

[2:33:09 AM] Delson Huang: some USA played tricked on me

 

[2:33:15 AM] MTG LION: ??

 

[2:33:17 AM] Delson Huang: the aske me for free samples

 

[2:33:23 AM] Delson Huang: and then resell then on the net

 

[2:33:26 AM] Delson Huang: and I did

 

[2:33:28 AM] MTG LION: oh…

 

[2:33:31 AM] MTG LION: i see..

 

[2:33:33 AM] MTG LION: that’s how they are out

 

[2:33:34 AM] Delson Huang: but not too much

 

[2:33:36 AM] MTG LION: in the pubic

 

[2:33:43 AM] MTG LION: free samples.

 

[2:33:47 AM] Delson Huang: just some small pieces

 

[2:33:49 AM] MTG LION: don’t worry i pay.

 

[2:34:02 AM] MTG LION: could you make 55 of the same card?

 

[2:34:11 AM] Delson Huang: no

 

[2:34:16 AM] MTG LION: just wondering.

 

[2:34:17 AM] Delson Huang: 55 differnet cards/set

 

[2:34:30 AM] MTG LION: but if i paid more… could you print me 55 of the same card?

 

[2:34:43 AM] Delson Huang: I am sorry

 

[2:34:50 AM] Delson Huang: yes

 

[2:34:52 AM] Delson Huang: I can

 

[2:34:59 AM] MTG LION: i want to see consistency in print runs

 

[2:35:01 AM] MTG LION: that’s why i ask

 

[2:35:06 AM] Delson Huang: you don’t mindd what cards in the list?

 

[2:35:18 AM] MTG LION: underground sea

 

[2:35:24 AM] Delson Huang: I see

 

[2:35:31 AM] Delson Huang: that is a rare card

 

[2:35:34 AM] MTG LION: of course.

 

[2:35:38 AM] MTG LION: that’s why i ask. :)

 

[2:35:54 AM] Delson Huang: we will do black lotos

 

[2:36:00 AM] MTG LION: okay how about that one.

 

[2:36:00 AM] Delson Huang: and time walker

 

[2:36:06 AM] MTG LION: you mean time walk haha

 

[2:36:15 AM] MTG LION: there is also the five moxes

 

[2:36:17 AM] MTG LION: mox jet

 

[2:36:19 AM] MTG LION: mox emerald

 

[2:36:20 AM] Delson Huang: someone can give me pictures befoe I do print

 

[2:37:12 AM] MTG LION: okay from that list can you print out 220 Tarmogoyf

 

[2:37:16 AM] MTG LION: what is the price?

 

[2:37:17 AM] MTG LION: if you can.

 

[2:37:41 AM] Delson Huang: singel tarmogofy is expensive

 

[2:37:50 AM] Delson Huang: it is hard to print

 

[2:38:00 AM] Delson Huang: it is hard to explain

 

[2:38:02 AM] MTG LION: that is why i can pay more.

 

[2:38:07 AM] MTG LION: how about 100

 

[2:38:10 AM] MTG LION: how much?

 

[2:38:13 AM] Delson Huang: $450

 

[2:38:32 AM] MTG LION: that seems high.  is there a reason?

 

[2:38:38 AM] Delson Huang: I can give you 1000 tarmogoyf in total

 

[2:38:53 AM] Delson Huang: but the price of 1-1000 cards are the same

 

[2:39:02 AM] Delson Huang: $450

 

[2:39:54 AM] MTG LION: interesting price point.

 

[2:40:06 AM] Delson Huang: yes,

 

[2:40:15 AM] Delson Huang: our company likes that

 

[2:40:20 AM] MTG LION: haha.

 

[2:40:48 AM] MTG LION: this is news.  maybe i don’t have you print 10W cards.  maybe just 1W of one card.

 

[2:41:14 AM] Delson Huang: if you only want 塔莫耶夫, we can fixed that in advance

 

[2:41:32 AM] Delson Huang: you just want the rare cards?

 

[2:42:27 AM] MTG LION: i’m thinking.

 

[2:42:44 AM] Delson Huang: ok, you can have time comsideration

 

[2:43:48 AM] Delson Huang: our 塔莫耶夫 is this one

 

[2:44:02 AM] MTG LION: yeah.  they say it is good.

 

[2:44:22 AM] *** Delson Huang sent QQ图片20140114164350.jpg ***

 

because there are 2 塔莫耶夫。

 

[2:45:07 AM] MTG LION: yup

 

[2:45:09 AM] MTG LION: futuresite

 

[2:45:13 AM] MTG LION: and modern masters.

 

[2:45:49 AM] Delson Huang: you already seen the comparsion?

 

[2:45:53 AM] MTG LION: yes

 

[2:45:57 AM] MTG LION: its a little off on the C

 

[2:46:00 AM] MTG LION: and font

 

[2:46:17 AM] Delson Huang: we will fix this problem

 

[2:46:25 AM] Delson Huang: if you do your own run

 

[2:46:33 AM] MTG LION: of course.

 

[2:46:47 AM] Delson Huang: but other difference?

 

[2:46:53 AM] Delson Huang: never mind?

 

[2:46:56 AM] MTG LION: if i do this run? will the problem be fixed?

 

[2:47:01 AM] Delson Huang: yes,

 

[2:47:02 AM] MTG LION: of a 1000

 

[2:47:13 AM] Delson Huang: the face will be the same as original cards

 

[2:47:48 AM] MTG LION: okay.  let’s do this run then.  can you do 450 shipped?  and email me the picture of one before payment?

 

[2:48:21 AM] MTG LION: an actual printed one.

 

[2:48:33 AM] MTG LION: front and back.

 

[2:49:29 AM] MTG LION: 1000 Tarmogoyf for 450 with shipping?  font fixed.

 

[2:49:49 AM] MTG LION: 19th?

 

[2:49:58 AM] Delson Huang: 19th will be not enough

 

[2:50:09 AM] MTG LION: well i want something the first shipment…

 

[2:50:13 AM] Delson Huang: I can give these cards to you at least 23th

 

[2:50:22 AM] Delson Huang: then 19th

 

[2:50:28 AM] Delson Huang: we will have the set cards

 

[2:50:41 AM] Delson Huang: that is the fastest order

 

[2:50:56 AM] MTG LION: okay i’ll order 4 sets and wait on the 23rd to confrim the 1000

 

[2:50:58 AM] MTG LION: order.

 

[2:51:14 AM] Delson Huang: 10 sets or 4sets?

 

[2:51:28 AM] MTG LION: only 4.  since i want to order the 1000 now.

 

[2:51:43 AM] MTG LION: the 4 is only to move quickly

 

[2:51:48 AM] MTG LION: the 1000 is what i really want…

 

[2:52:17 AM] Delson Huang: OK,

 

[2:52:23 AM] Delson Huang: so just like others,

 

[2:52:28 AM] MTG LION: for now.

 

[2:52:31 AM] Delson Huang: 135 include shippiing fee

 

[2:52:34 AM] MTG LION: i assure you i am not like the others.

 

[2:52:44 AM] MTG LION: i just need you to make these faster….

 

[2:52:45 AM] MTG LION: haha

 

[2:52:53 AM] Delson Huang: but we produced 1000 decks this time

 

[2:53:07 AM] MTG LION: how many ordered so far?

 

[2:53:07 AM] Delson Huang: some to Brazil

 

[2:53:16 AM] Delson Huang: some to Spain

 

[2:53:38 AM] Delson Huang: I didn’t summarize

 

[2:53:51 AM] Delson Huang: maybe 30-50 clients

 

[2:54:12 AM] MTG LION: okay.  email me when you have pictures and i’ll pay next day.

 

[2:54:13 AM] Delson Huang: I closed the picture on alibaba

 

[2:54:21 AM] Delson Huang: so nobody else will find us again

 

[2:54:34 AM] MTG LION: please send them fast.  so i can order more.  :)

 

[2:54:42 AM] Delson Huang: if you just want to sell them in USA, that is no problem

 

[2:54:50 AM] MTG LION: okay have a good evening  thanks for talking to me about this.

 

[2:54:58 AM] MTG LION: you have my contact.

 

[2:56:18 AM] MTG LION: will you do 10 sets for 250 shipped?  or am i getting to greedy?

 

[2:58:11 AM] Delson Huang: oh, that is negotiated

 

[2:58:20 AM] Delson Huang: deal

 

[2:58:20 AM] MTG LION: okay.  10 for 250 including shipping.

 

[2:58:22 AM] MTG LION: deal

 

[2:58:36 AM] MTG LION: thanks for taking the time.  i look forward to seeing these pictures i’ve heard so much about.  :)

 

[2:59:07 AM] Delson Huang: no problem

 

[2:59:08 AM] MTG LION: bye.

 

[2:59:16 AM] Delson Huang: when will you pay it

 

[2:59:25 AM] MTG LION: when he others pay is that okay?

 

[2:59:26 AM] Delson Huang: 19th?

 

[2:59:34 AM] MTG LION: i don’t want to pay before anyone else.

 

[2:59:47 AM] MTG LION: when i see pictures.  and you invoice me.

 

[2:59:51 AM] MTG LION: so yes the 19th.

 

[3:00:00 AM] MTG LION: is that okay?

 

[3:00:01 AM] Delson Huang: no problem ,

 

[3:00:12 AM] Delson Huang: I can do everything ready then

 

[3:00:14 AM] MTG LION: thanks.

 

[3:00:47 AM] Delson Huang: see you then

 

[3:00:52 AM] MTG LION: bye

 

Complete List ALREADY COMPLETED:

 

Tropical Island

 

Temple Garden

 

Stomping Ground

 

Overgrown Tomb

 

Scared Foundry

 

Breeding Pool

 

Misty Rainforst

 

Celestial Colonnade

 

Flooded Strand

 

Arid Mesa

 

Wasteland

 

Inkmoth Nexus

 

Elspeth Sun’s Champion

 

Tarmogoyf

 

Cavern of Souls

 

Scalding Tarn

 

Hallowed Fountain

 

Polluted Delta

 

Surgical Extraction

 

Sol Ring

 

Underground sea

 

Maesh Flats

 

Reflecting Pool

 

Mutavault

 

Wooded Foothills

 

Windswept Health

 

Watery Grave

 

Godless Shrine

 

Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx

 

Savannah

 

Blood Crypt

 

Verdant Catacombs

 

Kalonian Hydra

 

Avacyn, Angel of Hope

 

Thassa, God of the sea,

 

Jace, Architect of Thought

 

Swords to Plowshares

 

Plains

 

Chalice of the Void

 

Goblin guide

 

it that betrays

 

sword of war and peace

 

sword of fire and ice

 

purphoros god of the forge

 

sun titan

 

sensei’s divining top

 

demonic tutor

 

elspeth knight-errant

 

thoughtseize

 

pernicious deed

 

sword of feast and famine

 

goblin lackey

 

goblin pilcdriver

 

inquistion of kozilek

 

engineered explosives

 

kokusho the evening star

 

bonfire of the damned

 

ral zarek

 

lona shild of emeria

 

stoneforge mystic

 

lona shield of emeria

 

spellskite

 

karn liberated

 

tundra

 

path to exile

 

mountain

 

swamp

 

figure of destiny

 

Ather Vial

 

Vampiric Tutor

 

Snapcaster Mage

 

Academy Ruins

 

Batterskull

 

Forcc of Will

 

Leyline of Sanctity

 

Island

 

Intuition

 

Sphinx’s Revelation

 

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