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  1. [3:50:18 PM] Final Draft: I love it, just love it when unprofessionalism springs up
  2. [3:50:22 PM] Final Draft: It's tons of fun
  3. [3:50:39 PM] Final Draft: People, play politics if you know how
  4. [3:50:43 PM] lasairfion: ?
  5. [3:51:08 PM] lasairfion: Bronies for Good does some awesome stuff....
  6. [3:51:31 PM] lasairfion: no reason we shouldn't vote?
  7. [3:51:37 PM] Final Draft: no no no
  8. [3:51:41 PM] Final Draft: I'm not talking about BFG
  9. [3:51:48 PM] Final Draft: I love you guys <3
  10. [3:51:54 PM] Telofy: Oh good. ^^
  11. [3:51:59 PM] Telofy: :‑)
  12. [3:52:08 PM] lasairfion: you mean the whole Hasbro thing?
  13. [3:52:33 PM] Final Draft: sorry, but some members of this chat, who know who they are, need to learn a thing or two about professional behavior
  14. [3:52:44 PM] Final Draft: because it's REALLY easy to tell when they spread rumors
  15. [3:52:49 PM] Final Draft: Like, really easy
  16. [3:52:49 PM | Edited 3:52:55 PM] lasairfion: There's a really really long list for unprofessionalism examples lately
  17. [3:52:55 PM] Final Draft: yes there is
  18. [3:53:06 PM] lasairfion: hard to know which you mean without specifying
  19. [3:53:09 PM] DJ Midli: ^
  20. [3:53:33 PM] DJ Midli: I'd advise for you to call them out Final Draft, as it will only help them improve themselves.
  21. [3:53:47 PM] Final Draft: sadly, I have to stay professional, which means I'm not going to say more than I have, any more would be just spread BS
  22. [3:53:48 PM] lasairfion: I have only one rule in life: No Drama
  23. [3:54:18 PM] lasairfion: it was made after a 2 year stint running an anime forum for 7000 members
  24. [3:54:36 PM] Kelli Davis: mmmmmmmmm vaugedrama
  25. [3:54:37 PM] Final Draft: I wish that people wouldn't try to stir con drama behind the scenes
  26. [3:54:37 PM] DJ Midli: Quite honestly, if you feel I have Final. I give you full permission to call me out on it. Because I have spoken in regards to sensitive subjects and wonder if i'm seen as rumour mongering.
  27. [3:54:58 PM] DJ Midli: either publically or privately.
  28. [3:54:59 PM] Final Draft: lol I posted in the chat independent of the conversation
  29. [3:55:06 PM] Final Draft: it wasn't timed to imply specific people
  30. [3:55:39 PM] DJ Midli: I'm a feedback junkie :), I'd rather people be blunt with me so I can improve then be vague with me :).
  31. [3:55:47 PM] Perrydotto: Yeah, same goes for me, Midli
  32. [3:55:51 PM] Apple Cider: So, your upset about randomly something. Okay
  33. [3:55:51 PM] Sandy: yeah, but you're aiming at specific people without actually saying "hey, ___, cut that shit out"
  34. [3:55:56 PM] Perrydotto: All those vague statements don't help at all :C
  35. [3:56:02 PM] Final Draft: that's possibly true
  36. [3:56:17 PM] Final Draft: Hmmm
  37. [3:56:27 PM] Final Draft: I could be specific.... don't want to rouse drama
  38. [3:56:28 PM] lasairfion: I'm all for bluntness. If people have an issue with me, I expect them to tell me.
  39. [3:56:31 PM] Final Draft: but it's been roused at me...
  40. [3:56:40 PM] Apple Cider: You roused drama by simply mentioning it
  41. [3:56:45 PM] Final Draft: you're right
  42. [3:56:55 PM] Kelli Davis: Why post about something personal in here if it doesn't involve anyone in here :(
  43. [3:57:20 PM] Final Draft: ok
  44. [3:57:24 PM] Final Draft: I'll detail it
  45. [3:57:25 PM] Telofy: I was called out on my overuse of “^^” once and I reduced by “^^” usage by at least 40%! (These don’t count; that’s mention, not use.)
  46. [3:57:35 PM] Final Draft: because you'r right, bringing it up and not detailing it just is a waste of time
  47. [3:57:39 PM] Final Draft: and causes confusion
  48. [3:57:42 PM | Edited 3:58:09 PM] lasairfion: ^^ <-- I like the happy eyes
  49. [3:57:59 PM] DJ Midli: I eagerly await your detailing Final Draft :).
  50. [3:58:37 PM] Final Draft: Sandy, Cider, I know you got Bob Carr to call up Vegas and lob the standard "Draft, you've got exclusivity contracts" garbage at Sandi (their head).  You really pissed her off
  51. [3:58:51 PM] Final Draft: Because 1) it's a stupid, stupid rumor you created out of thin air
  52. [3:59:05 PM] Final Draft: and 2) it implied she was either complicit or too dumb to know
  53. [3:59:08 PM] Final Draft: both of which are wrong
  54. [3:59:19 PM] Final Draft: So grow the fuck up and quit spreading lies about me
  55. [3:59:20 PM] Apple Cider: So it is at someone in the chat. You were trying to be cheeky Draft. :)
  56. [3:59:51 PM] Apple Cider: I'll leave Sandy for the details on Bob. But no, you're wrong
  57. [3:59:56 PM] Sandy: Oh Final, you've done this enough times already. We did nothing of the sort, with no such accusations
  58. [4:00:06 PM] Sandy: Bob called to talk to her about the situation wrt the VA's
  59. [4:00:15 PM] Apple Cider: And the fact you would Imply that we did it in a case to slander you... Bob is a lawyer
  60. [4:00:15 PM] Final Draft: how do you know that, then?
  61. [4:00:29 PM] Apple Cider: Wouldn't he know Slander?
  62. [4:00:35 PM] Final Draft: no, how would you know he called
  63. [4:00:46 PM] Sandy: Because he's my co-chair.
  64. [4:00:56 PM] Sandy: And he speaks for my event.
  65. [4:00:57 PM] DJ Shamrock: All of my what is this
  66. [4:01:00 PM] Final Draft: Let's keep this clear, so this sort of thing doesn't flare up again
  67. [4:01:02 PM] Apple Cider: And here he is
  68. [4:01:05 PM] The Warden: The Warden passes Shamrock the popcorn.
  69. [4:01:06 PM] Bob Carr: Well, I've never met Slander personally, but I'm sure I could pick him out of a lineup.
  70. [4:01:09 PM] Final Draft: I have no exclusivity contracts with any convention or VA
  71. [4:01:11 PM] DJ Shamrock: DJ Shamrock munches
  72. [4:01:13 PM] Fadsy: Fadsy sighs
  73. [4:01:25 PM] Sandy: of course you don't with VA's thats silly.
  74. [4:01:32 PM] Final Draft: And you've been spreading that lie all over the place, in really, really obvious ways
  75. [4:01:49 PM] Sandy: But Bob is here now and he can best detail the situation. So shut your mouth and listen for once.
  76. [4:01:49 PM] Final Draft: so there, I've called you out on it, and that's all.
  77. [4:02:01 PM] Apple Cider: Okay, the prosecution rests
  78. [4:02:07 PM] Apple Cider: Time for the defense
  79. [4:02:13 PM] lasairfion: There has been talk about EFN and exclusivity going around. I just generally agreed that exclusivity was a laughable idea, and forbad my staff from listening to rumours. I'm guessing this might just be a twist on that rumour.
  80. [4:02:15 PM] Bob Carr: And, Final, as soon as my misapprehension was corrected, I apologized and ended the call.
  81. [4:02:43 PM] The Warden: so how come Gendid was told he couldn't record his panel at Bronycon?
  82. [4:02:44 PM] Final Draft: if you want to go and publically accuse me of bullshit, bob, you could at least have the decency to ask me about it first
  83. [4:02:49 PM] Final Draft: as a lawyer, you should know that.
  84. [4:03:02 PM] Bob Carr: What did I accuse you of?
  85. [4:03:11 PM] Final Draft: scheming for exclusivity
  86. [4:03:11 PM] lasairfion: well, most of us are in here, so we can be polite and sort out what was ACTUALLY said eh
  87. [4:03:18 PM] Bob Carr: You aren't?
  88. [4:03:39 PM] Final Draft: And as for Gendid told not to record, I have no idea, I can't stop people from recording at conventions even if I wanted to - what, would I check their phones?  Their cameras?
  89. [4:04:01 PM] Final Draft: I'm certainly not
  90. [4:04:08 PM] Final Draft: Think about this guys
  91. [4:04:11 PM] Bob Carr: Did you ever ask AC to make Bronyville a part of EFN, as long as he let Sandy go before he joined your network?
  92. [4:04:13 PM] Final Draft: How could I get exclusive streaming?
  93. [4:04:17 PM] Andrew Brockert: There was no exclusivity agreement at BC Summer. The only reason we didn't have multiple livestreams is because each Ethernet drop cost somewhere on the order of $600.
  94. [4:04:21 PM] Final Draft: AC asked me to be a part of EFN
  95. [4:04:26 PM] The Warden: no but you can still pitch your little hissy fits like when Midnight Run said they were going to be broadcasting at Bronycon
  96. [4:04:27 PM] Sandy: Worked at EQLA
  97. [4:04:33 PM] Final Draft: ?!
  98. [4:04:56 PM] Bob Carr: Ah, again, my misapprehension. And, yes, Glittering had told me you were exclusive at EQLA. She was wrong?
  99. [4:05:14 PM] Final Draft: Bob, how could I stop other groups from recording? How?
  100. [4:05:18 PM] Final Draft: Think about this guys for a secon
  101. [4:05:19 PM] Final Draft: d
  102. [4:05:23 PM] Final Draft: How could I do that
  103. [4:05:31 PM] Final Draft: And why would I want to?
  104. [4:05:38 PM] Bob Carr: That's easy as hell. Sign a contract that places the onus of enforcement on the con staff.
  105. [4:05:44 PM] DJ Midli: For the record final, I heard you guys pushed bronyville out of CG by telling CG staff that if bronyville was allowed in you wouldn't record.
  106. [4:05:44 PM] Logan Biscornet: As far as I am aware EFN has never asked BronyCon for exclusive rights.  In fact on several occasions Draft has said that he did not want them.  For the reasons he has just stated.
  107. [4:05:51 PM] Bob Carr: I'm not sure why you'd want to.
  108. [4:05:58 PM] DJ Shamrock: Well obviously there's no way for you to do so Final, I don't think there's any argument there. The only people who could do that are Con Security.
  109. [4:06:05 PM | Edited 4:06:43 PM] DJ Midli: but I was also aware that it was an unsubstantiated claim.
  110. [4:06:11 PM] Final Draft: Which is why I've never pushed for it, nor would I want to ask for it
  111. [4:06:15 PM] DJ Midli: bah
  112. [4:06:17 PM] DJ Midli: horrible spelling.
  113. [4:06:23 PM] Final Draft: But I keep hearing rumors
  114. [4:06:30 PM] Sandy: Well that would explain why Canterlot Gardens (RIP) waited til the last second to cut us.
  115. [4:06:31 PM] Apple Cider: In addition to ensuring that things like youtube vidoes get taken down. You apprached Seth because there were videos of panels you clamed where EFR property from Bronycon.
  116. [4:06:31 PM] Final Draft:  "Oh draft, you want exclusivity at conventions"
  117. [4:06:40 PM] Final Draft: With EFR tags on them
  118. [4:06:41 PM] Final Draft: rips from our stream
  119. [4:07:04 PM] lasairfion: so we all heard a load of rumours, which appear not to be true. And since the people in here are the ones that matter in most circles... we just make sure we put it right when we hear it, okay?
  120. [4:07:10 PM] Bob Carr: Now, this isn't exclusivity, strictly speaking, so please bear with me: Did you have cameras pulled from EqD and Bronyville panels at EFNW. I mean, I know they WERE pulled, I just don't know if it was your idea.
  121. [4:07:15 PM] Final Draft: and that you'd know that conversation says that Seth has been talking unprofessionally behind closed doors about this as well
  122. [4:07:24 PM] Final Draft: Bob, that never happened
  123. [4:07:39 PM] Sandy: You've tried to bully him no less than 3 times.
  124. [4:07:42 PM] Final Draft: Ask Bejoty
  125. [4:07:46 PM] The Warden: Final Draft shut the fuck up about professionalism
  126. [4:07:46 PM] Final Draft: Or any EFNW staff
  127. [4:07:53 PM] Final Draft: Who are you, again Warden?
  128. [4:07:57 PM] The Warden: Your mother
  129. [4:08:05 PM] Bob Carr: Now, I've had a number of people on those panel tell me differently. Not just Sandy, but Xyro, Cereal Velocity, and others.
  130. [4:08:06 PM] Final Draft: oh, it's DHN
  131. [4:08:07 PM] Sandy: Final- there were no cameras at the EQD and Bronyville panels at EFNW
  132. [4:08:15 PM] Fadsy: Jesus fucking christ
  133. [4:08:16 PM] lasairfion: I mean, this is kind of the real point of Con Junction really- we're supposed to be able to talk about stuff so we get things straight, right?
  134. [4:08:17 PM] Bob Carr: I did ask Bejoty. He was unaware of it.
  135. [4:08:25 PM] lasairfion: politeness helps though
  136. [4:08:26 PM] Perrydotto: Keep it civil, people
  137. [4:08:43 PM] Jade Aurora (Haybuck): Oh wow.
  138. [4:08:44 PM] Jade Aurora (Haybuck): Hi all.
  139. [4:08:45 PM] Perrydotto: I appreciate the honest talk here but stay polite.
  140. [4:08:46 PM] Andrew Brockert: Better here than for all the world to see
  141. [4:08:52 PM] Andrew Brockert: HI HAYBUCK
  142. [4:08:54 PM] Fadsy: What Perry said.
  143. [4:08:57 PM] Sandy: In fact, we could have spoken face to face at EFNW and fixed most of this, but you ran off any time you got within 5 feet of me.
  144. [4:09:07 PM] Final Draft: Sandy, I walked up and said hi
  145. [4:09:13 PM] Final Draft: and you go "pfff" and walked off
  146. [4:09:16 PM] Jade Aurora (Haybuck): HI ANDREW.
  147. [4:09:19 PM] Bob Carr: Personally, I'm just interested in getting my story straight.
  148. [4:09:21 PM] Sandy: Bullshit son
  149. [4:09:27 PM] Sandy: I was with AC the entire time.
  150. [4:09:34 PM] Sandy: I'd have at least been polite.
  151. [4:09:45 PM] Final Draft: that's never been your track record
  152. [4:09:53 PM] The Warden: loose cannon
  153. [4:09:54 PM] lasairfion: Sandy, Draft: arguing isn't going to solve it - obviously there is some miscommunication here - so call the past.. past and work on sorting out what you're going to do now
  154. [4:09:57 PM] Final Draft: as for EFNW panels, I had my cameras there to cover 1 pannel at a time
  155. [4:09:58 PM] Apple Cider: Yeah, you ran by at 10 miles per hour, went 'hi Sandy' and proceeded to head towards the elevator
  156. [4:10:18 PM] Final Draft: So I covered the main hall except for the Auction, which was a mistake, because I shoudl have recorded that
  157. [4:10:58 PM] lasairfion: personally, as I can vaguely recall, I was a whirling dervish of angsty annoyance and fatigue at BUCK - so I can't blame anyone else for similar at any other con
  158. [4:11:30 PM] Bob Carr: I apologize if this sounds excessively lawyer-y: Final, just to clarify, are you saying that you're not aware of any of this camera stuff happening at EFNW, or that you're absolutely positive it didn't happen. For instance, you were attending that panel, and you're sure the cameras were there, too.
  159. [4:11:49 PM] Final Draft: Which panel, any of them?
  160. [4:11:56 PM] Final Draft: I only controled my EFR cameras
  161. [4:12:11 PM] Final Draft: as for other cameras, I don't know what people did with them, I certainly didn't tell people what they could or couldn't record
  162. [4:12:14 PM] Bob Carr: Okay, let me tell you the story I heard, and let you correct it.
  163. [4:12:19 PM] Final Draft: if I did that no convention would ever work with me
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