Editors IRC Log 10.5.11

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18:30   FiremanPrime    'Sup.

18:30   FiremanPrime    Been working on a 'Editor's Guide' (crib notes) during the day. Pleasantly surprised to see a thread up.

18:32   Gentlemanvaultboy       So, what are the notes?

18:32   Gentlemanvaultboy       Can I see?

18:33   FiremanPrime    Sure. Gimme a minute.

18:34   FiremanPrime    I also threw in some ideas as to how entities would travel the Metaverse, as a heads-up.

18:34   FiremanPrime    http://pastebin.com/6Sm1rK4m

18:35   Gentlemanvaultboy       Cool, I hadn't thought of any yet

18:35   FiremanPrime    We've got Gates, Teleporters, and Barges (Meta-space ships).

18:42   Gentlemanvaultboy       I don't like the Idea of Meta-earthlings finding a way to the real world

18:43   Gentlemanvaultboy       but other than that, this is some good stuff

18:43   FiremanPrime    I can rectify it if we come to a consensus, but you do have a point. The 'critics' seemed a bit far-fetched myself.

18:44   Gentlemanvaultboy       Is it okay if I post some of this in the thread

18:44   FiremanPrime    Sure. I just took out the 'critics'. Fire away.

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18:52   FiremanPrime    Hello there Quantumshard

18:52   Quantumshard    hey

18:53   Gentlemanvaultboy       I love the idea of Twilight duty.

18:55   FiremanPrime    As do I. I can see MLP, Twilight, and Harry Potter being the big trinity of dreaded duties.

18:55   Quantumshard    I always pictured things like DC being the worst

18:56   Gentlemanvaultboy       DC is dangerous and hard

18:56   Gentlemanvaultboy       Twilight is like having to shovel shit

18:57   FiremanPrime    DC/Marvel is dangerous, Mass Effect is a sneaky killer, but Twilight and Ben 10 and the like are the equivalent of ditch-digging.

18:59   FiremanPrime    Well, does everybody in here have a copy of the Risus system rules that we're going to use? http://www222.pair.com/sjohn/risus.htm

18:59   Gentlemanvaultboy       just downloaded it today

19:00   Gentlemanvaultboy       read the decription, and it seems simple enough

19:00   Gentlemanvaultboy       also, sort of apropriate

19:01   Quantumshard    still have to check out risus

19:02   FiremanPrime    We just need to shake down the Cliches we're going to use, the dice count, etc.

19:02   FiremanPrime    We also need to pick a DM.

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19:14   Greyheart       Well hello.

19:14   Gentlemanvaultboy       yo greyheart

19:14   Gentlemanvaultboy       welcome to the creation room

19:15   Greyheart       So, what have you three been discussing?

19:15   Gentlemanvaultboy       not much

19:15   FiremanPrime    Hello Greyheart. We've just been sitting here. Having Ross here would be nice.

19:15   Gentlemanvaultboy       You want to lead off with an idea?

19:16   Quantumshard    dumped some material in the thread.  Have to go away for a minute.

19:16   FiremanPrime    A'ight.

19:16   Greyheart       Er, not sure. Let me finish reading up what was posted while I was away from the thread.

19:25   Greyheart       Wow, a bunch of stuff there.

19:26   Gentlemanvaultboy       What struck you?

19:26   Greyheart       Hmm...the Forest of the Verses.

19:26   Gentlemanvaultboy       Opinion? Good or bad?

19:27   Greyheart       I kind of like it, but I'm trying to picture how the hell it appears to us mere mortals.

19:27   Greyheart       Giant, ambiguously-formed white trees that seemingly have no end to their branches?

19:28   Gentlemanvaultboy       I think the forest was a metaphor  

19:29   Gentlemanvaultboy       I picture it as long white roads in space

19:29   Greyheart       Ah, okay. Must have read it the wrong way.

19:29   Greyheart       Or perhaps it appears differently to everyone?

19:29   Gentlemanvaultboy       Each leading to a world

19:30   FiremanPrime    Greyheart: It does appear differently to everybody, based on their own ideas and perceptions. For the purposes of coordinates and map-making, it would be a great 'forest', but to the actual observers looking forth from Barges, it appears differently to everyone.

19:31   Gentlemanvaultboy       The tree thing reminds me of the Dr.Who episode, "Silence in the Library"

19:31   Gentlemanvaultboy       "This is our forest, these are our trees."

19:31   Greyheart       Thank you, FiremanPrime. To me, it reminds me exactly of the Woods in the Magician's Nephew.

19:32   FiremanPrime    Also, I'll be logging everything for future reference and note-modifying.

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19:33   Greyheart       Ah. So, who is in control of the Editors? Do they run themselves and/or are they overseen by Meta-Earth's government?

19:33   FiremanPrime    Greetings, Lilli.

19:34   FiremanPrime    The Editors are a self-contained organization. MetaEarth's government generally helps out whenever it can, but knows that the Editors know far more than they do about it.

19:34   Greyheart       Welcome to the chat.

19:34   Greyheart       @FiremanPrime: Ah, thank you.

19:35   Gentlemanvaultboy       I see Editor HQ existing not entirely on meta-earth, but somewhere "Outside." To keep more people from jacking their tech.

19:36   Greyheart       Mmm, yes, I can see that too. Doesn't make sense if they're trying to protect their world from another Crossover.

19:36   Greyheart       Maybe a pocket universe?

19:36   FiremanPrime    Yeah, exactly.

19:36   FiremanPrime    As a space-station would be to a planet in the galaxy, so would Editor HQ be to MetaEarth in the Metaverse.

19:37   Greyheart       Perfect. Does it have a name yet, besides Editor HQ?

19:37   FiremanPrime    Not, yet, no.

19:37   Gentlemanvaultboy       Like a bubble on the outside of the univerce, except not like that at all.

19:37   Greyheart       I see what you did there.

19:38   Greyheart       Hmm, let's see...argh, trying not to be influenced by other fiction...

19:38   Gentlemanvaultboy       Something Latin and ominous

19:39   Gentlemanvaultboy       Edittorium

19:39   Lillifag        hey, not sure if this has been covered yet

19:39   Greyheart       Yes, Lilli?

19:39   Gentlemanvaultboy       The Editorial

19:39   FiremanPrime    The Lexica.

19:39   Lillifag        but if Editors recruit from meta-earth or background chars and the like

19:40   Lillifag        do they recruit things that are obviously non-humans

19:40   FiremanPrime    I would think so, if they can behave themselves. They can be deployed in settings that are used to seeing non-humans or perhaps their home Canon.

19:41   Gentlemanvaultboy       Our head tech guy is a super-intelligent shade of the color blue.

19:41   Greyheart       Eh?

19:41   FiremanPrime    Hitchhiker's Guide.

19:41   Greyheart       Ooooooooh.

19:41   FiremanPrime    Good stuff. Highly recommend it.

19:42   Gentlemanvaultboy       He shows up for that one scene and never shows up again

19:42   Greyheart       Hmm, perhaps...?

19:42   Lillifag        Only that one scene?

19:42   Greyheart       Guys, are you thinking what I might be thinking?

19:43   Lillifag        I liked that concept.

19:43   Gentlemanvaultboy       I think so

19:43   Greyheart       Blargh...the name for Editor HQ world...I think it should have something to do with...flowing? Movement? Shifting, change?

19:44   Gentlemanvaultboy       I haven't read that book in forever

19:44   FiremanPrime    The Tutela Institute for Metaverse Maintenance and Upkeep.

19:44   Greyheart       TIMMU?

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19:44   FiremanPrime    I accidentally an acronym.

19:45   Greyheart       I laugh now.

19:45   Kenoh   so this is all about that TG thread that's currently going on?

19:45   Greyheart       Quite, good fellow.

19:45   Kenoh   ah good stuff

19:45   Gentlemanvaultboy       Hello Kenoh, we are discussing base names

19:45   FiremanPrime    Yes indeed Kenoh.

19:45   Greyheart       We are discussing the name of the Editor HQ pocket universe.

19:45   Kenoh   so here's a question, where do the player characters come from?

19:45   Lillifag        Also, have you covered characters that ignore/constantly break the 4th wall yet?

19:46   Kenoh   I don't think that was really answered in the thread

19:46   Kenoh   at least as far as I read

19:46   Greyheart       All sorts of places: Meta Earth and the Multiverse.

19:46   Kenoh   well what I mean is

19:46   Greyheart       Also, we have mentioned Deadpool.

19:46   Kenoh   Can Captai nKirk suddenly realize he's a character in a far greater game

19:46   Gentlemanvaultboy       nope, bound by canon

19:46   Kenoh   and start driving his space ship around the multiverse trying to right wrongs?

19:47   Gentlemanvaultboy       He can't eave his univerce

19:47   Kenoh   unless a crossover happens

19:47   FiremanPrime    No; The Canons are sealed, meaning that when the Sue/Fixers/whatever are removed, the Canon snaps back to normal. Only MetaEarth is capable of universe travel, due to the fact that it is tied to the font of Meta in the Metaverse (Real Earth).

19:47   Kenoh   well what about official crossovers?

19:47   Kenoh   there are some pretty ridiculous ones

19:47   Gentlemanvaultboy       But that redshirt that died last episode? He works foe us now.

19:48   Gentlemanvaultboy       We "plucked" him

19:48   Greyheart       "Official" crossovers are likely considered "Canon" and therefore left alone.

19:48   Kenoh   but what if they aren't recognized as canon?

19:48   Gentlemanvaultboy       Or at worse AU

19:48   Kenoh   So it's like Hypertime

19:48   FiremanPrime    They're also likely temporary, so unless somebody starts time-looping, it's good.

19:48   Kenoh   Whatever happened happened,

19:48   Kenoh   It happened

19:48   Kenoh   it might not have happened in the mainstream universe

19:48   Kenoh   but there is a universe somewhere where it DID happen

19:49   FiremanPrime    Indeed it did.

19:49   Greyheart       Consider the DC/Marvel combined universe: Moonknight is a combination of Wolverine and Batman, but is not a Sue.

19:49   FiremanPrime    Thus the Canon Trees can be infinitely high.

19:49   Kenoh   That's not moon knight

19:49   Kenoh   thats dark claw

19:49   Greyheart       Isn't it?

19:49   Kenoh   DarkClaw was Batman x WOlverine

19:50   Kenoh   MOonknight is actually his own character

19:50   Kenoh   I had an idea somewhat like this once, where basically if people didn't pay attention to you, you were revised out of existence. It was based on the idea that Superman's Original nemesis wasn't Lex Luthor, but the Ultra humanite

19:50   Greyheart       Ah, yes, I just looked it up. I was mistaken. Thank you for correcting me.

19:50   Kenoh   but as time went on, Lex Luthor became the more popular and important character

19:51   Kenoh   and thus Ultra Humanite was more or less forgotten

19:51   Kenoh   and became only a tangential character

19:51   Gentlemanvaultboy       until justice league

19:51   Greyheart       I don't even know about Ultra Humanite: hence your point.

19:51   Gentlemanvaultboy       He was so awesome in that

19:51   Kenoh   The overarching idea was that the Superman Like character was forgotten about in exchange for an edgier more 90s style comic book hero

19:52   Kenoh   and then he dissapears

19:52   Kenoh   but the super villain decides to wreck all continuity to keep himself in

19:52   Kenoh   but anyway

19:52   Greyheart       Hmm...I see.

19:52   Kenoh   Idea for an editor HQ - The Chophouse

19:52   Kenoh   The Idea Factory

19:53   Gentlemanvaultboy       Grey, this is the ultra Humanite

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19:53   Kenoh   yeah, the ultra humanite eventually gained the ability to transfer his mind into the bodies of other things

19:53   Kenoh   he used to be an old bald guy

19:53   Greyheart       Oh Flash. You were so happy-go-lucky.

19:53   Gentlemanvaultboy       Chophouse seems like the thing the editors would call it

19:54   Kenoh   so is there essentially a "Fall to the darkside" sort of thing?

19:54   FiremanPrime    I still like TIMMU as an official name, but the Chophouse is a great nickname.

19:54   Gentlemanvaultboy       That was what i was thinking

19:54   Kenoh   where if you really do decide that it's better off to pull batman to help you

19:54   Kenoh   you start to cause some of the problems you set out to cause

19:54   Kenoh   *cure

19:55   Kenoh   also, are the editors like the police, where they can be tragically outgunned by a guy who shops at an army surplus store?

19:56   Kenoh   Oh yeah, I got a Cosmic Cube, Fuck you

19:57   FiremanPrime    Depends. They'd usually avoid messing with Sues with that kind of tech head-on, and stay on the good side of the Canon locals. However, if the shit hits the fan, the Editors are in a pickle if they don't get some local tech...

19:57   Gentlemanvaultboy       They do procure local tech

19:58   Gentlemanvaultboy       all equipment is supposed to be procured on site

19:58   Kenoh   well it seems like the Shippers would become gods and creators unto themselves

19:58   FiremanPrime    But fighting a Cosmic Cube requires not getting in a situation where a Sue is going to have the time or capability to use it against you at all.

19:58   Kenoh   Unless all the ridiculous stuff from any given universe only extends massive power to that universe

19:59   Kenoh   as in the cure for cancer works anywhere, but something like an Infinity gauntlet can only twist reality on the universe in which it was made

19:59   Kenoh   it has no power to manipulate anything outside of it

19:59   Gentlemanvaultboy       Any Shipper that starts making waves like that is going to get Editors breathing down their neck. Thats bad business.

19:59   FiremanPrime    The power of a character or weapon greatly shrinks when it is taken out of it's home-canon, preventing somebody from grabbing, say, The God-Emperor before the Horus Heresy and trucking around with him to conquer the Metaverse.

20:01   Kenoh   here's a thought about crossovers, sometimes they occur naturally, and they unleash enormous energies and possiblities. they are incredibly dangerous but natural events, somewhat like a hurricane.

20:01   Kenoh   but

20:01   Kenoh   Sometimes people who see a use or a power for it will artificially induce a Crossover somehow, trying to harness the enormous potential and power that can be released for personal benefit, even if that benefit is the destruction of countless universes

20:02   Kenoh   Editors would have to go in, and find a way to separate the two universes, without destabilizing either one.

20:02   Lillifag        But what about Canon Crossovers?

20:02   FiremanPrime    I can see that happening. As Canons expand and branch out, they might hit the branches of other Canons, resulting in natural Crossovers.

20:02   Gentlemanvaultboy       I always think that techniques would transfer between worlds, like if you go to DBZ and learn to fly your able to fly in other realitys

20:02   FiremanPrime    Like a good forester, the Editors will make sure that the branches are separated without damaging the branches themselves and put them on paths to grow peacefully again.

20:03   Kenoh   Gi Joe x Transformers,  "well Carl, the Universes were already pretty close, it was bound to happen "

20:03   Greyheart       The Editors (the Editor Editors, the high ups) must be insanely wise for this.

20:03   Kenoh   I just figure some Fireman trying to essentially rig universes up to explode like an atomic bomb

20:03   FiremanPrime    MLPx40K: "You can't say you didn't see it coming, what with the size of the latter and the rate-of-growth of the former."

20:04   Kenoh   and some shipper is trying to merge them in order to unleash the power to create some incredibly powerful artifact that he can steal

20:04   FiremanPrime    Kenoh: That is exactly what Firemen try to do. Using Sues, Rogues, etc., they try to take down entire canons. If all goes as plans, it'd be like setting off a carbomb next to the tree, blowing it apart and damaging neighbors badly.

20:04   Kenoh   Merge DC and Marvel, Merge the power of the Source with the Infinity gauntle hook up, then steal the two and leave the universe to rot

20:06   Gentlemanvaultboy       Any canon that is destroyed also addles the creator in the real world. You remember any author or filmmaker that went to shit, and you have no clue why. It was either Sues or Firemen.

20:06   Greyheart       May I say something off-topic?

20:06   FiremanPrime    Sure.

20:07   Greyheart       I just told my roommate about Pizza Hut's ten dollar deal and he started twitching. Should I be concerned?

20:07   Kenoh   twitching with delight?

20:07   Kenoh   I just got one of those actually

20:07   Gentlemanvaultboy       or anger

20:07   Greyheart       I...think so? He left the room.

20:07   Lillifag        be afraid

20:07   Lillifag        be very afraid

20:07   Greyheart       Well, I don't see wh- OH MOTHER OF GODS HELP ME!

20:07   Gentlemanvaultboy       what is this ten dollar deal?

20:07   Greyheart       NOOOOOOOO!!!

20:07   Kenoh   The KGB employed lots of people known as illegals before and during the cold war

20:08   Kenoh   they essentially put them in deep cover, to the point where they lived as other people for long periods of time

20:08   Kenoh   I wonder if the editors would do such a thing

20:08   Greyheart       Yeah, sleeper agents.

20:08   Kenoh   especially in a universe that might be prone to fuck ups

20:08   Greyheart       It was discussed and approved, as I recall.

20:08   Kenoh   that red shirted ensign

20:08   Kenoh   he's filing reports

20:09   Greyheart       @Gentlemanvaultboy: Pizza Hut is doing a deal where any of their pizzas is just ten dollars. Limited time only, but still. ANY PIZZA.

20:09   Kenoh   "Star Date 321.5... oh man now I'm talking like them too. Well, nothing to report really, we beat up some monsters in cheezy rubber suits... Nothing big is happening"

20:09   FiremanPrime    I'm getting ready to put the current thread in the sup/tg/ archives. How's this for a description: "We continue world-building our freshly popularized meta-fanfiction campaign setting."

20:09   Kenoh   any pizza, excluding stuffed crust, and you have to pick it up

20:09   Kenoh   other than that, you're good

20:09   Greyheart       @FiremanPrime: Sounds good.

20:09   Gentlemanvaultboy       nice

20:09   Kenoh   sounds good to me

20:10   Lillifag        If they fuck up awfully and destroy a canon character, would they put a Proofreader agent in their place to replace them?

20:10   Kenoh   If abilities don't always transfer perfectly to another world

20:10   Kenoh   it seems like skills would be incredibly useful

20:10   Greyheart       I'm not sure you CAN destroy a canon character without serious ramifications.

20:10   Greyheart       Like, reality maelstrom level ramifications.

20:10   Kenoh   Anyone ever read fables?

20:10   FiremanPrime    I read Fables. Good stuff.

20:10   Kenoh   remember when Snow White got shot in the head?

20:11   Kenoh   really early on

20:11   Kenoh   or Jack

20:11   Kenoh   Neither of them can die easily

20:11   FiremanPrime    Vaguely. I read it a few years ago.

20:11   Kenoh   because they are important

20:11   Kenoh   and people believe in them

20:11   Greyheart       Yeah, I have. Could put that system in place: if enough of Reality believes in them, they don't die.

20:11   Kenoh   and care about them

20:11   Kenoh   Jack in fact made movies about his life

20:11   Kenoh   and made them the most popular movies in the world

20:11   Kenoh   so EVERYONE would believe in him

20:11   Kenoh   and he would never be able to be killed

20:12   Greyheart       Like FUCKING GOLDILOCKS. I didn't read past the comic where she tried to kill Snow and...argh, what's his name. The Big Bad Wolf.

20:12   Kenoh   yeah

20:12   Kenoh   Bigby

20:12   Greyheart       There we go. But yeah: fuck Fables' Goldilocks.

20:12   Kenoh   they hook up eventually

20:12   Greyheart       Snow and Bigby? I kind of figured that would happen.

20:12   Kenoh   yeah

20:13   Kenoh   I think Shippers should be a Sub Division of Mary Sues who try to find people from different universes that should "totally hook up"

20:13   Kenoh   also, most Mary sues should be like Tetsuo from Akira

20:13   Kenoh   barely in control anymore

20:14   Kenoh   some might have a pretty good grasp of what they are doing, but most are just getting fucking out of control

20:14   Greyheart       If you're describing them like that, then Shippers are more like Fixers.

20:14   Kenoh   Shippers (the smugglers) should be called something else

20:14   Kenoh   if you're going to make a setting about fiction and fanfiction

20:14   Kenoh   using the term Shipper already has a definition

20:15   Kenoh   what about Vendors?

20:15   FiremanPrime    We've switched to 'Distributor'.

20:15   Kenoh   ah ok then

20:15   Gentlemanvaultboy       Distributors?

20:15   Greyheart       I like that.

20:16   Gentlemanvaultboy       Shipper are fixers who just want to see a character find true love

20:16   Gentlemanvaultboy       regardless of their protests

20:16   Kenoh   I can forsee some sort of Holy Knight style order of Fixer/Shippers

20:16   Kenoh   whotake on their job with a Templar Esque zeal

20:17   Greyheart       "But I'm not gay!" "YOU'LL KISS THE PRETTY BOY AND LIKE IT!"

20:17   Gentlemanvaultboy       KISS HIM

20:17   Kenoh   "The Pairing is Harry x Malfoy... We shall not defy holy doctrine!"

20:17   Gentlemanvaultboy       YOU KISS THAT BOY RIGHT THIS INSTANT

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20:17   Greyheart       Can't. Stop. Laughing.

20:18   Gentlemanvaultboy       hello, were talking boute shipping

20:18   Kenoh   "Interlopers! Draw your Plot bats! Defend the pairing with your very lives!"

20:18   Greyheart       Yes, welcome 57.

20:18   Agent57 Shipping? Thats like the attraction between characters that isn't canon right? Thought I read that in the first thread but I'm not sure...

20:19   FiremanPrime    Yes indeed. Welcome Agent57.

20:19   Greyheart       Yes, quite. We were just discussing the terminology and that particularly came up.

20:19   Gentlemanvaultboy       Yes, shipping is when people want to characters to get together in defiance of canon

20:19   Agent57 Alright cool. What have we established about it so far?

20:19   FiremanPrime    Also, the new thread is in the sup/tg/ archive for up-voting.

20:19   Gentlemanvaultboy       were trying to find some way to implement tham just now

20:19   Kenoh   The line between Editor and fixer would be incredibly thin

20:19   Kenoh   at times

20:20   FiremanPrime    Well, here are my notes from yesterday: http://pastebin.com/6Sm1rK4m

20:20   Gentlemanvaultboy       Not really

20:20   FiremanPrime    I'll update them tomorrow once I get everything we work on today written down.

20:20   Gentlemanvaultboy       Editor fix things that are wrong with canon

20:20   Kenoh   is the definition of Canon objective then?

20:21   Greyheart       Canon is defined by the Creators and the Believers: if it's not Canon to them, the Editors know.

20:21   Greyheart       At least, that's how it seems to me.

20:21   Gentlemanvaultboy       No, Canon is whatever was put down by the author

20:21   FiremanPrime    Yes: A set fictional universe, with branches of EU, Fanon, and continuation.

20:21   Kenoh   authors change

20:21   Kenoh   and some works have primacy over others

20:21   Kenoh   people wrote Oz books after Baum died

20:22   Greyheart       True enough. The multiverse is always in flux.

20:22   Kenoh   do Baum's OZ books have primacy over other authors?

20:22   Greyheart       I would say the movie has primacy now.

20:22   Kenoh   is the movie Oz a ifferent universe than the books?

20:22   Gentlemanvaultboy       Yes

20:23   Agent57 I would assume that adaptations into different media would create separate realities. If nothing more than to avoid confusion.20:23     Kenoh   Hypertime then

20:23   Greyheart       "Todd, where are you going?" "To Oz! ...wow, that was much less climactic than I thought."

20:23   Greyheart        "That's not the Oz we're going to." "What?"

20:23   Greyheart       "We're going to Film-verse Oz, not Lit-verse Oz." "Ohhh, my bad."

20:23   Kenoh   if what happens in a work contradicts the continuity, its a different universe with a similar continuity except for what happened here

20:24   Lillifag        Are the Editors aware that they are fictional?

20:24   Agent57 Fictional is a relative term in this setting.

20:24   Greyheart       Oh, don't even get that metaphysical debate started again. It'll only make your head hurt.

20:24   Kenoh   what about Fictitious universes that know about other fictitious universes?

20:24   FiremanPrime    No: They are unaware of their created nature, and all the universes they meet that we'd call 'fictional' are as real as can be to them.

20:24   Kenoh   like oz the Television show

20:24   Kenoh   the prison show

20:25   Greyheart       That's totally seperate from the Land of Oz universes, connected only by an exceedingly thin tether.

20:25   FiremanPrime    As they cannot travel through the multiverse, they wouldn't be in a position to do much about the knowledge. Of course, if they ever captured a team of Editors, the interrogation would be quite intense...

20:25   Kenoh   also , I'd put Adebeci on my all time superstar universe team

20:26   Kenoh   but for instance

20:26   Kenoh   I'm watching Glee at the moment

20:26   Kenoh   which is MOSTLY the same as a real world, with more fancy singing and dancing

20:26   Kenoh   the kids on glee, know most of the fictional worlds I know about, or at least know OF them

20:27   Gentlemanvaultboy       I don't think we discussed that canon characters can be just as much a threat to editor teams as sues

20:27   Kenoh   and all the fictional universes they know about, are in fact universes unto themselves

20:27   Greyheart       I think I just thought up a humorous name for Editor HQ.

20:27   FiremanPrime    Let's hear it.

20:27   Gentlemanvaultboy       Well, hit us with it

20:27   Greyheart       Crossingard.

20:27   Agent57 ...

20:28   Gentlemanvaultboy       Thats....

20:28   Lillifag        ...

20:28   Gentlemanvaultboy       Brilliant

20:28   Greyheart       I know, punny as hell. But I figured it'd be a junior agent's first day joke.

20:28   Gentlemanvaultboy       How many nicknames dose the place have?

20:29   FiremanPrime    I LIKE IT. GREYHEART, I LIKE IT.

20:29   Greyheart       Probably as many as the number of agents that have served there.

20:29   Greyheart       Also: THANK YOU FIREMANPRIME.

20:29   Kenoh   BOLD TYPING ! YEAH

20:29   FiremanPrime    >dramatica_capslockia.jpg

20:30   Kenoh   I figure the HQ wouldh ave many factions that work together, but each have their own outlook on doing things

20:30   FiremanPrime     We have now found our Most Wanted list. http://fuckyeahterribleocs.tumblr.com/

20:30   Kenoh   like a police station

20:30   Kenoh   you'd have the down and dirty sort of beat cops

20:30   Kenoh   and then the guys who are mostly desk guys

20:30   FiremanPrime    Exactly. Thus, teams can be made of Player Characters who play all sorts of different personalities and Editors.

20:31   Kenoh   "Alright ,I'm Fixing this god damn canon one way or the other"

20:31   Kenoh   "but sir, that's terribly against protocol!"

20:32   FiremanPrime    "If you go Rogue, I will end you, right here, right now, Commander!"

20:32   Kenoh   why are editors powerful? is it simply because there are a lot of them working together?

20:32   FiremanPrime    Strength in numbers, awareness of situation/canon knowledge, and Fuck Yeah Metahumanity working on concert.

20:32   Kenoh   because it feels like they should lose every damn fight if they aren't willing to go get guns from more combat oriented universes

20:33   Gentlemanvaultboy       It's because they know whats going on

20:33   Kenoh   so basically Fixers, Firemen, Marysues etc. are all going against the grain

20:33   Gentlemanvaultboy       Sue's are stupid

20:33   Kenoh   the Metaverse doesn't want them to win

20:33   Kenoh   because it just shits all over everything

20:33   Gentlemanvaultboy       They know fiction and how to use it against a sur

20:34   Greyheart       "Well, we could always just delete the whole damned mess. Much easier, in my opinion." -The Cynic, Editor 34765 of the Fourth Generation.

20:34   Greyheart       Thoughts on opinions like this?

20:35   Kenoh   in the hebrew tradition

20:35   Kenoh   there is the bible

20:35   Kenoh   and the talmud

20:35   Gentlemanvaultboy       The Editors come out ahead because their the underdog heros who stick to their morals.

20:35   Kenoh   the Talmud is commentaries on the bible, opinions and so on

20:35   Kenoh   I feel like the editors would have a similar situation

20:35   Kenoh   where you would have a set of rules

20:35   Kenoh   and then people who react and commment on those rules

20:36   Kenoh   and people who were considered really on the ball, would have their opinions recorded for all time

20:36   Gentlemanvaultboy       In some sort of Editorial?

20:36   Lillifag        "The Canon can't be destroyed, really. It can be broken beyond repair, corrupted beyond recognition, but it's still there, and we WILL fix it." - Hopeful, Editor 28783 of the Fourth Generation.

20:37   Greyheart       I just realized something: the Multiverse is so insanely enormous, even if you're just thinking about Large Canons like Star Wars and things...how many agents ARE there?

20:37   Kenoh   I think you would probably want to cap the amoutn of agents at a strict number

20:37   Kenoh   like they do with Green Lanterns

20:37   Kenoh   and basically when one dies

20:37   Kenoh   you pull another up from the pool of potential candidates

20:37   FiremanPrime    Plenty. Humans can't really grasp just how many of us are on Earth. You can't possibly meet them all. Hence, there are a near-infinite number of MetaHumans to fill the ranks.

20:38   Gentlemanvaultboy       "The difference between us and them is that we have faith, faith that the author knows what they're doing." -Faithful, Editor 345 of the Third Generation.

20:39   Kenoh   has anyone ever seen Justice League - Crisis on Two Earths?

20:39   Greyheart       Argh, now I feel like I need to figure out WHY there is a double digit jump between Third and Fourth Generation.

20:39   Greyheart       Wait! I HAVE IT! It was....

20:40   Greyheart       THE INTERNET.

20:40   Greyheart       ...And now I feel like a dumbass. Please excuse my grandstanding.

20:40   Gentlemanvaultboy       Thats the explanation I settled on

20:40   Gentlemanvaultboy       The Internet is the cause of this whole mess

20:41   Kenoh   well the Internet Did essentially create fan fiction

20:41   Kenoh   ... the Internet is the cause of all of life's problems really

20:41   Gentlemanvaultboy       Popularized fan fiction

20:41   Greyheart       Nah, fanfics have existed for as long as fantasies have. The internet just made it a whole lot easier.

20:41   Gentlemanvaultboy       Everyone can write it now and has a safe place to post it

20:41   Kenoh   but seriously, everyone needs to watch Justice League - Crisis on two Earths

20:42   Kenoh   I feel Owlman is the perfect example of a Fireman

20:42   Gentlemanvaultboy       "I'm making the only choice that matters."

20:42   Kenoh   run amok

20:42   Kenoh   exactly

20:42   Kenoh   Ex Fucking Zactly

20:43   Kenoh   Here's a mind blower though - Lupin the THird is in a way, a fanfic of the Arsene Lupin novels

20:43   Gentlemanvaultboy       Some firemen would be like that

20:43   Kenoh   that becomes his own universe eventually

20:43   Greyheart       Okay so: First Generation was the guardians of...primordial knowledge? The first stories?

20:43   FiremanPrime    First Gen: Guardian of Myth and Primordial Knowledge.

20:44   Gentlemanvaultboy       Since real people believed in magic, magic Existed on meta earth

20:44   Greyheart       Okay. Second Gen: Guardians of the First Epics and Legends.

20:45   FiremanPrime    Third Gen: Guardians of Literature and Written History (perhaps)

20:45   Gentlemanvaultboy       Not history, historys non-fiction

20:45   Agent57 History doesn't count

20:45   Greyheart       Fourth Gen: The Guardians against Crossover's Return, the Keepers of Canon.

20:45   FiremanPrime    Okay. Third Gen: Guardians of Literature and Narrative.

20:46   Agent57 Unless you want to get back in that "Our reality was written by an author in another reality" argument again.

20:46   Gentlemanvaultboy       and we're not

20:46   Greyheart       That's for players to argue.

20:46   Gentlemanvaultboy       my head still hurts from conceiving that

20:47   Greyheart       It's more convoluted than Inception.

20:47   Kenoh   I thought it was Turtles all the way down

20:47   Greyheart       Ah, Discworld reference?

20:47   FiremanPrime    It's Enoby Darkness Dementia Raven Way all the way down.

20:47   Lillifag        Inception actually makes sense when you look at it hard enough

20:47   Kenoh   well

20:47   Greyheart       EH? O.o

20:47   Kenoh   Discworld STole that

20:47   Lillifag        And it's only turtles at the bottom, isn't it?

20:47   Kenoh   it was an old story about an astronomer that went to a real rural place

20:48   Kenoh   and tried to explain the solar system, how it worked, and so on

20:48   Gentlemanvaultboy       nope, all turtles

20:48   Kenoh   and one person was like "no, the Earth is balanced on the back of a turtle"

20:48   Kenoh   and the astronomer goes " well, what does the turtle stand on?"

20:48   Kenoh   and the woman replies" very clever, but its turtles all the way down!"

20:48   Gentlemanvaultboy       except in our case, the turtles are authors

20:49   Greyheart       Hmm, quite. But that's metaphysical debate that we shouldn't worry about.

20:49   Kenoh   everything could be lik the big bang

20:49   Kenoh   you have a bang

20:49   Kenoh   then things condense

20:49   Kenoh   then another, Bigger bang

20:49   Kenoh   each time

20:50   FiremanPrime    As a related note, once I refine the collected notes, we should think about if/how we're going to run an IRC game for /tg/.

20:50   Greyheart       Or like multi-mirror reflections.

20:50   Kenoh   everything from each time feeds into itself

20:50   Kenoh   you could even say

20:50   Agent57 The interest seems pretty big, we might need multiple groups.

20:50   Kenoh   that the big bangs respond to big classical eras in literature

20:51   Agent57 And thus, multiple GMs fluent in serveral canons...

20:51   Greyheart       Blargh, metaphysical debate!

20:51   FiremanPrime    I could GM a group. I know a few canons pretty well.

20:51   Kenoh   like Victorian Literature Draws back to SHakespeare, but at the same time is it's own style

20:51   FiremanPrime    AND I have the MASTER NOTES (zelda item theme).

20:51   Greyheart       I wouldn't mind participating, Fireman!

20:51   Kenoh   It seems like you could run an insane amount of games with this setting, and make them all pretty different

20:51   Gentlemanvaultboy       What Canon's are everyone here familiar with?

20:51   Lillifag        I'm in

20:52   Gentlemanvaultboy       I'm Know One Piece and Mass Effect

20:52   FiremanPrime    Let's see... Just what level of familiarity will be necessary will vary on the adventure length / type.

20:52   Greyheart       Oh gods, I don't know how long my list would be.

20:52   Kenoh   yeah pretty much

20:52   Kenoh   a lot of settings

20:52   Kenoh   besides I don't know how deep any adventure would go into any specific setting

20:52   Kenoh   it's hard to run a campaign that doesn't end up in world hopping

20:53   FiremanPrime    I know I've got a few (Soul Calibur, Halo, Mass Effect, Artemis Fowl, I could go on).

20:53   Lillifag        my list would probably get me kick out of that chat for taking up the whole window if done in list form

20:53   Kenoh   GUndam

20:53   Kenoh   but yeah

20:53   Agent57 I'm familiar with the N64 Zeldas, The Hunger Games (teen novel, I know), and a smattering of Kingdom Hearts

20:53   Gentlemanvaultboy       Oh, I also know Jade Empire

20:53   Kenoh   I've read a lot of stuff, I'm pretty sure we all have

20:54   Gentlemanvaultboy       Rule of Rose

20:54   Greyheart       Star Wars; Stargate; Pokemon; Digimon (Up through the third series); Halo; Mass Effect; Psychonauts; Assassin's Creed; Persona; Tremors; Firefly; Final Fantasy; Zelda; Advance Wars...

20:54   Greyheart       I'm just pulling off of all the media in my room.

20:54   Gentlemanvaultboy       Archer

20:54   FiremanPrime    >Advance Wars< Please tell me you know enough of Days of Ruin to make this happen.

20:54   Kenoh   I really want to run a Maus campaign

20:54   Kenoh   that was an awesome fictional setting

20:54   Greyheart       Er...I don't even have that. Sorry.

20:54   Gentlemanvaultboy       Frisky Dingo

20:55   Agent57 Players shouldn't need to know much about a setting to play, right?

20:55   FiremanPrime    Greyheart, your homework is to 1) Get it, 2) Get an emulator ROM of it and love it.

20:55   Gentlemanvaultboy       Nier and Drakenguard

20:55   Kenoh   players having little knowledge of the setting would either make it awesome or fail

20:55   Greyheart       Er....okay.

20:55   Kenoh   depending on fate

20:55   FiremanPrime    Agent57: I guess, but if the players decide to play it slow-and-steady, you might need to have some knowledge.

20:55   Gentlemanvaultboy       Crono Trigger

20:55   FiremanPrime    Gentleman: NieR = God-tier sue-fighting territory.

 

20:56   Kenoh   STREET FIGHTER

20:56   Lillifag        the Editors Agency would probably give a primer on the setting to the agents

20:56   Gentlemanvaultboy       Provided by that setting proofreader

20:56   Agent57 Yeah I was thinking that their could be a Proofreader GMPC in most situations.

20:56   Agent57 Following the team and giving info when needed or asked

20:56   Agent57 there*

20:56   Kenoh   bureau Chiefs

20:57   FiremanPrime    Makes sense.

20:57   Kenoh   "Look I'm the First Person Shooter Bureau Chief, I don't want you kids screwin around"

20:57   Kenoh   he says as he chomps his cigar angrily

20:57   FiremanPrime    I have a -fuckton- of notes to prep for tomorrow's thread at this rate. *sigh* The price of greatness.

20:57   Kenoh   that or the first person shooter bureau chief is a 15 year old kid with acne who calls everyone faggot

20:57   Kenoh   loudly over his mic

20:58   Gentlemanvaultboy       Oh god, think of the war movie chife

20:58   Greyheart       brb

20:58   Lillifag        "HEY, -FAGGOT- 48272!

20:58   FiremanPrime    I want to see /k/, /v/, /tg/, and /a/ personified and sent out to do Editing missions.

20:59   Gentlemanvaultboy       Hold on, i have something for this

20:59   Kenoh   the Anime Bureau would have to have sub bureaus

20:59   Kenoh   but the overall Anime Bureau Chief is a really bland guy

20:59   Kenoh   because the previous chief went insane on loli and fetish porn

20:59   Kenoh   and went rogue

20:59   Agent57 Alright, what about playing as something from a reality far different from Earth? Like an Ork Boy that was supposed to be killed but was recruited by the agency?

20:59   Kenoh   so they found the most calm bland guy they could to fill the job

21:00   Gentlemanvaultboy       Once you survive my training, then and only then will you become a weapon! Until that time you lowly maggots are nothing but a bunch of cocksuckers! I despise and look down upon you. Let's make one thing clear: my job is to find the limp dicks among you and weed them out! I won't have a stinking pussy on our team keeping us from victory! There will be no laug

21:00   Kenoh   TF2 Soldier

21:00   Kenoh   I'm playing as the TF2 soldier

21:00   Kenoh   Maggots

21:00   Gentlemanvaultboy       There will be no laughing or crying. You are NOT human beings! You are KILLING MACHINES! If you couldn't kill, your lives will become worthless! You fuckers would be better off in a corner jacking off your meat! You want to lose just to stand out? Pretend it hurts to gain some sympathy?! You are pathetic loser scum! The best part of you ran down on the crack

21:00   Gentlemanvaultboy       crack of your mother's ass and ended up as a cumstain on the mattress! Quit draggin' your feet, you fuckers! If you whimper, I will unscrew your head and shit down on your neck! That ball is your only girlfriend!

21:01   Gentlemanvaultboy       You don't need a Mary Jane with boobs and a large backside! Think of it as a wet pussy and fuck her as hard as you can!

21:01   Gentlemanvaultboy       At the company softball game

21:01   Lillifag        I call the tf2 Engineer

21:02   FiremanPrime    I'm playing as GREEN DemoMan, who has been 'corrected' and sent out as a living weapon. http://tf2wiki.net/w/images/1/17/Demoman_gibberish12.wav

21:02   Kenoh   The legendary Lost Green Legion

21:02   Kenoh   after Team Fortress Classic they went Missing

21:02   Kenoh   "WE Fought in wars you pansies guarding points could only imagine!"

21:02   FiremanPrime    "We can rebuild them. We have the processing power." RESULT: http://tf2wiki.net/w/images/7/7c/Demoman_gibberish13.wav

21:05   Kenoh   I figured you'd Run the Green Legion against like the most crazy

21:05   Kenoh   you gotta fight crazy with crazy

21:05   Gentlemanvaultboy       Let them out on targets you won't feel bad about

21:06   Gentlemanvaultboy       Hey, what is "Past Sins?"

21:06   FiremanPrime    When in doubt, send in Vidya Mooks.

21:06   Kenoh   a my littel pony fanfic

21:06   Kenoh   of dubious quality

21:06   FiremanPrime    Gentlemanvaultboy: The worst MLP fanfic ever.

21:06   FiremanPrime    EVER>

21:06   Gentlemanvaultboy       Worse that Cupcakes ?

21:06   Kenoh   "Damn, Enoby has escaped lock down... get me the Green Legion"

21:07   FiremanPrime    Way worse. At least Cupcakes knew what it was (a terrible gore-fic). Past Sins tries and FAILS FAILS FAILS.

21:07   Gentlemanvaultboy       "We want her back alive, shes useful for training."

21:07   Kenoh   "no Promises..."

21:07   Kenoh   once you call out the green legion

21:07   Kenoh   all bets are off

21:08   Agent57 Just saw a Powerpuff Girls sue and it reminded me that I'm familiar with that canon, sadly enough.

21:08   Kenoh   [you bring them out when shits gone to pot

21:08   Gentlemanvaultboy       Like Muzzle in Road Rovers

21:08   Agent57 How don't know how you'd take that shit down though.

21:08   FiremanPrime    "Sir, I think we've got an issue. Enoby got to the kitchen deck-" *press intercom* http://www.tf2wiki.net/w/images/5/51/Heavy_autoonfire05_Ahh_ahh%2C_FIRE%21_FIRE%21.wav

21:08   Greyheart       Aww...my KISS THE PRETTY BOY line has been reabsorbed.

21:08   FiremanPrime    I'm going to stop link spamming naow.

21:08   FiremanPrime    Don't worry. I saved it.

21:09   Greyheart       YAY!

21:09   Kenoh   I'm gonna go play some Xbox

21:09   Greyheart       So, what did I miss?

21:09   Kenoh   seeya lata

21:09   FiremanPrime    Adios, Kenoh.

21:09   Greyheart       Bye, Kenoh.

21:09           *** Kenoh quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)

21:09   FiremanPrime    Greyheart: Talking about Green Legion (the anti-Sue field army used only when all else fails).

21:09   Greyheart       I like it.

21:10   Agent57 Essentially made up of vidya mooks, as I understand it.

21:10   Gentlemanvaultboy       I also made an impassioned speech

21:10   FiremanPrime    Indeed. Also saved Gentleman's speech.

21:10   Greyheart       Okay, reading time.

21:10   Gentlemanvaultboy       Not really mine. It was from an episode of Full Metal Panic.

21:11   Lillifag        "Green Legion. The last option. Send them in and there's something left to fix."

21:12   Lillifag        "But they'll destroy it all!"

21:12   Agent57 "Sir, the Dragonball Z-verse is being overrun! It seems the sues are all converging on Cell's Tournament!" "Mother of God. Send in the Green Team. Maybe they can buy us some time."

21:12   Gentlemanvaultboy       DBZ Has a great in canon way of dealing with sues

21:13   Gentlemanvaultboy       The Destructo Disk

21:13   Gentlemanvaultboy       Also solar flair

21:13   Gentlemanvaultboy       A Can't imagine a Sue using

21:14   Lillifag        "Hope they leave something we can recognize as the original behind. The Greens will get rid of the Sues fine, as well as a good amount of the universe they're in."

21:14   Gentlemanvaultboy       it but it's the single most effective attack in that entire setting

21:14   Agent57 Yeah I don't know much about it, to be honest. Still pretty awesome though.

21:15   Gentlemanvaultboy       All it dose is blind you

21:15   Gentlemanvaultboy       But it doesn't matter who it was used on

21:15   Gentlemanvaultboy       it always hit

21:16   Gentlemanvaultboy       Even the big bad planet destroying guys.

21:17   Agent57 Nice, that might work.

21:17   Greyheart       Indeed.

21:17   Agent57 I always liked the idea that sues can't influence what they can't percieve.

21:18   Agent57 Thus making a stealthy or bait-and-switch type of assassination the most effective

21:18   Agent57 But could an Editor use his limited power to make himself strong enough to take out a sue head-on?

21:18   Lillifag        Power is corrupting.

21:19   Gentlemanvaultboy       Should I post a link to that SCP story on how to deal with reality warpers?

21:19   Lillifag        He would become the very thing he fights.

21:19   Agent57 Yeah, I read that Gentleman

21:19   Greyheart       Fireman, your opinion on Editors taking on Sues personally?

21:19   Agent57 Agreed Lilli. What would you do if a player attempted that, though?

21:20   Gentlemanvaultboy       You should never fight a sue head on

21:20   Gentlemanvaultboy       it's always suicide

21:20   Gentlemanvaultboy       Here, anyone who hasn't read this, do so now:http://www.scp-wiki.net/termination-order

21:21   Agent57 It's been established, though, that Editors have similar powers to sues. Namely the ability to influence the reality. Just what is the "hard limit" to this? Or does he just become a sue?

21:22   Gentlemanvaultboy       The point is, sues are pure creations of wish fulfillment. It's not that they choose not to use full extent of sue power. They just can't.

21:23   Greyheart       An Editor is someone who understands Canon to the point where they can use the underlying rules of a Canonized universe in order to fulfill their goals, without corrupting the universe, that is.

21:23   Greyheart       At least, I'm fairly certain that's correct.

21:23   Agent57 That's very vague though, especially for a game system. Won't there be PC editors? Their powers need to be more defined to be perfectly honest.

21:24   FiremanPrime    WOW. At this point, I see that we are going to have to end up writing a small corebook to hold all of this in sufficient detail.

21:25   FiremanPrime    The players are Editors. I was understanding that they didn't really have any reality-warping powers: They simply had their brains and the knowledge of the canon ahead of time to help them.

21:25   Gentlemanvaultboy       Editors should only have the power to, how to put this, induce reality.

21:25   FiremanPrime    They're fairly mundane, but in extraordinary circumstances and with great knowledge.

21:25   Gentlemanvaultboy       Well, the players are agents.

21:25   Greyheart       I thought that we were talking about Editors, as in the head honchos.

21:25   Gentlemanvaultboy       Theres a special class of them called Editor

21:26   FiremanPrime    OH... I see. Yes, players are field agents (mundane), where-as more elite ones (Editors, etc.) have minor reality warping powers.

21:26   Gentlemanvaultboy       and the organization is named after them

21:27   Greyheart       I thought so?

21:27   Gentlemanvaultboy       Also, some agents have powers that they picked up it in the world they defend.

21:27   Gentlemanvaultboy       Stuff they can train in.

21:28   Gentlemanvaultboy       Life flying from DBZ or Haki from One Piece

21:28   Gentlemanvaultboy       Agents should be just a little extraordinary

21:28   Gentlemanvaultboy       Because they do extraordinary work.

21:29   Gentlemanvaultboy       If Risus is the system we use, I think it could accommodate this.

21:30   Agent57 Alright I understand a little better.

21:30   Agent57 There has been some talk of Editors becoming sues. Possible?

21:30   Lillifag        Perhaps.

21:30   Gentlemanvaultboy       If they follow the Editors Creed, not likely.

21:31   Lillifag        Proofreaders can become Fixers, as logic would dictate.

21:31   Gentlemanvaultboy       If they go rouge, well...

21:31   Agent57 This is from the thread

21:31   Agent57 Guys Guys... What about....  An Editor-Sue.

21:31   Gentlemanvaultboy       They could become the Devil.

21:31   Agent57 Fixer Sues. Rogue Editors who have decided to improve a canon by becoming it's self-aware centerpiece. Some of the deadliest foes an Editor can face.

21:31   Greyheart       Sounds reasonable.

21:32   Gentlemanvaultboy       They can think

21:32   Agent57 Good idea for a big bad at least.

21:32   Gentlemanvaultboy       theu know what to look for

21:32   Gentlemanvaultboy       and they Know where coming for them.

21:32   Gentlemanvaultboy       Horrific enemies.  

21:32   Lillifag        They probably have the supplies needed to fight back against the party

21:33   Agent57 That might be a good instance for the Green Legion to show up.

21:33   Agent57 IF the Green Legion actually makes it into the system.

21:33   Gentlemanvaultboy       Unlike normal Mary sues, they can conciously warp fiction.

21:33   Greyheart       Very possibly. The Editors fix their own messes.

21:34   Gentlemanvaultboy       I can't think of any countermeasure against an Editor Sue

21:35   FiremanPrime    You -might- think of something after a while, but the Xanatos Chess would be almost impossible to win.

21:35   Greyheart       Xanatos Chess?

21:35   Gentlemanvaultboy       Plans within plans

21:35   FiremanPrime    I think this would explain: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GambitPileup?from=Main.ThirtyGambitPileup

21:36   Agent57 Perhaps dealing with smugglers to get sue tech and take down the Editor Sue?

21:36   Greyheart       Am reading now.

21:36   Gentlemanvaultboy       Even that story I posted wouldn't help.

21:36   Gentlemanvaultboy       Clef would never have killed that kid if he had known what was coming.

21:37   Greyheart       Blargh. I would think the only way to stop an Editor Sue is with an actual Sue.

21:38   FiremanPrime    Example of why you should leave Editor Sues to deal with Green Legion and a few Sues rather than by thinking:

21:38   Gentlemanvaultboy       The editor would still win, because it knows it could control it's powers.

21:38   Agent57 that image isn't working for me :|

21:38   Greyheart       Me either.

21:38   FiremanPrime    *hoark* http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit

21:39   Gentlemanvaultboy       I think the only way would be to collapse the canon with it inside.

21:40   Greyheart       No, there must be another way...er, I think I just thought of something a little...extreme.

21:41   Agent57 Shoot

21:41   Greyheart       Kill-switch devices placed on every editor.

21:41   Agent57 Huh. Pretty grimdark but it could make sense.

21:41   Greyheart       Something that will completely annihilate them, but nothing else.

21:41   FiremanPrime    Possibly planted only after they begin showing signs of going Rogue, but not before. Don't want to spook the recruits.

21:41   Gentlemanvaultboy       One designed to open a plot hole and wipe them from existence.

21:42   Greyheart       I'm not saying for all the Agents, just THE Editors. People that powerful need failsafes.

21:42   Agent57 This would also explain why Fixers tend to be just mundane agents instead of powerful editors.

21:42   Gentlemanvaultboy       Oh, the people who learned to warp reality get kill switched

21:42   Greyheart       Indeed.

21:42   FiremanPrime    True, true... Makes sense. Much sense. Something to definitely make you reconsider learning how to be a god.

21:43   Gentlemanvaultboy       That seems like a nice way to explane why all agents aren't just editors.

21:43   Agent57 They don't want to be kill-switched

21:44   Greyheart       "We are the archivists, the wise ones, and the keepers of canon. We know more about these worlds than you might even think there is. But for our gifts...we have paid a hefty price."

21:44   FiremanPrime    Brilliant: http://elffetish.com/instasue.html

21:45   Gentlemanvaultboy       I like the idea that whenever one goes mad with power, his kill switch is activated and he's sucked into a plothole

21:45   Gentlemanvaultboy       and the everyone forgets him

21:46   Gentlemanvaultboy       So they have no idea how many times the option has been used

21:46   FiremanPrime    ...Oh lord. NOW we know why being an Editor is such a weighty responsibility: The moment you inevitably fail your duty, you are made to have never been. Terrifying, honestly.

21:47   Agent57 Huh good idea Gentlemanvaultbow

21:47   Greyheart       Unfortunately, I know that Unbeing can be...temporary.

21:48   FiremanPrime    ...Goodness gracious mother of God.

21:50   Agent57 "You don't remember me? Of course not...the killswitch does that. We were friends once."

21:50   Lillifag        "To take me out, you'll have to kill this whole, precious canon with it! There's no way you'll destroy all of S-" -Last word of 35267 (Title unknown), Rouge Editor of the Fourth Generation, seconds before plothole device deployment.

21:50   FiremanPrime    *applause* Gentleman, we now have our potential heart-breaking moment machine.

21:51   Gentlemanvaultboy       What should they be called

21:51   FiremanPrime    I know: micro-writing is my favorite kind.

21:51   Lillifag        Something simple, like Logs

21:52   Gentlemanvaultboy       I Suggested Editorials earlier

21:52   FiremanPrime    Editorials / Logs / Epilogues

21:52   FiremanPrime    All work.

21:52   Greyheart       "You know you can't destroy me, Anna. If you do, you won't exist." "Yes, father...I know. But there's something you forgot." "Oh? And what might that be?" "I have mom."

21:54   Greyheart       -The Last Conversation of The Avenger, Anna, and her Father, the [NEVERWAS] 802 of the Third Generation.

21:54   Gentlemanvaultboy       Because Canon tries to Fix Itself

21:54   Greyheart       True, but Meta Earth isn't part of Canon, now is it.

21:55   Agent57 Essentially the Rogue Editor is deleted along with any memory of him. All references to him in the records are stricken.

21:55   FiremanPrime    >heresy_joke?.jpg

21:55   Gentlemanvaultboy       Except the Editorials

21:56   Greyheart       Perhaps the Deletion Measures were used first because the first Editor Sue made them over react.

21:57   FiremanPrime    I'd be pretty fucking scared of an Editor Sue, especially after the Great Crossover War took a giant dump on MetaEarth that almost wiped it out.

21:57   Gentlemanvaultboy       "We gave you every chance. If you cannot learn, then you will teach!- Judgement, Editor 5467 before the activation of the first kill switch.

21:58   Lillifag        Getting rid of an Editor-Sue  would take more than the means that Editors would even have, besides the killswitch

21:59   FiremanPrime    Gentlemanvaultboy that is a fantastically, professionally bad-ass line. *standing ovation*

21:59   Gentlemanvaultboy       I got it from a story about a paladin of Kord.

22:00   Gentlemanvaultboy       He pissed off his god three times by doing non riotous things, and in the end Kord changed him into a training dummy with THAT scrawled on the base.

22:02   Lillifag        "You've disabled your killswitch, gone into the highest-corruption world we know of, and then you became THE Sue, outdoing every other one of the damn things in that world. Good job forgetting about the second killswitch, though." -End, Editor 13 of Generation Four, to Editor 666 (Title unknown) of the Fourth Generation.

22:03   Gentlemanvaultboy       I like the titles. Dose ever agent have one, like a codename, or do you have to earn them?

22:04   Greyheart       I would say earn them.

22:05   Agent57 Only Editors and Proofreaders get them.

22:05   Agent57 Maybe the occasional, exceptional agent.

22:07   Greyheart       What have we got so far? The One of Grey, the Faithful, the Cynic, the End, the Avenger, the Judgement.

22:07   Greyheart       Is that it?

22:08   Lillifag        There'd presumably be more, but they'd be rare

22:09   Lillifag        Agents would respect their Titled brothers

22:11   Gentlemanvaultboy       So only editors, Proofreaders, and exceptional agents get them. Why?

22:11   Agent57 Alright, so I've seen a little bit of discussion about sues that explicitly state their invincibility. I like the idea of throwing the sue into a different, incredibly hostile canon (lookin at you WH40K), but are there different methods of dealing with these invinci-sues?

22:11   Lillifag        There's a fuckload of agents and only so many titles

22:11   Agent57 Oh sorry to try to change the subject

22:12   Agent57 Well, the titles are on the official documents.

22:12   Gentlemanvaultboy       No Sue is invincible.

22:12   Agent57 They're not like nicknames. They are probably sanctioned by the higher-ups.

22:12   Lillifag        and being invincible won't help when you're trapped in the space between galaxies

22:12   Gentlemanvaultboy       and they would corrupt any canon they were introduced to.

22:13   Gentlemanvaultboy       The only thing that keeps most Sues alive is that competence dampening field they produce.

22:13   Greyheart       Unless they can teleport universally.

22:14   Agent57 Yeah it would seem like a lot of sue powers like that haven't really been accounted for.

22:14   Gentlemanvaultboy       But they can't. When a sue is born in a world, that's where they stay unless a crossover occurs.

22:14   Agent57 And what's the explanation behind the "no invicibility" thing? Is it just that it doesn't work for sake of ease or....?

22:15   Agent57 Oh right, sues can't affect realities beyond the one they were created from.

22:15   Agent57 Makes sense.

22:16   Lillifag        Stick them an a world entirely alien to them, and they'll lose their home-field advantage, and if their source of power is based in the setting they're from they'll lose all their shit

22:16   Gentlemanvaultboy       When you read about a sue fic, usually it's shown that they can be hurt, they're just "Too Good" to get dealt a fatal blow.

22:18   Gentlemanvaultboy       That wouldn't work. Sues are unconscious reality warpers. Place then in a new setting, and they'll still be better than everyone else.

22:18   Lillifag        They still won't know shit about their world, though.

22:19   Gentlemanvaultboy       In addition, they may try to make their new reality like he old one, Detabalizing the new world quicker than they did the old one

22:19   Agent57 Alright, in this one it says 'Weaknesses: N/A Herself' http://fuckyeahterribleocs.tumblr.com/post/6197694094/i-know-this-is-the-3rd-time-i-posted-this-but

22:19   Agent57 How do you kill this sue?

22:20   Lillifag        of course, you WOULD have to send them to an isolated area to prevent anybody from noticing the vampire/werewolf/catgirl/goddess/princess/angel crossbreed getting killed by guys using strange shit

22:20   Greyheart       Paradox?

22:20   Gentlemanvaultboy       I'm still reading, hold on.

22:21   FiremanPrime    She was/is a celestial guardian. Just point her at 40K and tell her there's a galaxy in danger. The hilarity will ensue just after we grab popcorn and a seat.

22:22   Lillifag        Paradox is also a good plan

22:23   Agent57 What do you mean by Paradox?

22:23   Gentlemanvaultboy       Shes a sue. She'd "Fix" 40k. No, I'm thinking we get one of the pretty boys, you know, those guys that work in Shojo, Dress him as axle, and have him slip her a micky while making out with her.

22:23   Greyheart       I mean hit their brain with something they CANNOT fathom.

22:24   FiremanPrime    *fix 40K* JESUS CHRIST ON A BICYCLE GET GREEN LEGION-

22:24   Greyheart       And while they're bewildered, even for just one second, you could *maybe* take them down?

22:24   Gentlemanvaultboy       THIS. STATEMENT. IS. FALSE.

22:25   Gentlemanvaultboy       Then poison her while shes asleep

22:25   Greyheart       Yep, pretty much.

22:25   FiremanPrime    http://fuckyeahterribleocs.tumblr.com/post/6943418949/she-is-the-sole-owner-of-axel-of-kingdom-hearts Well, the fucker's a mile long, but only one ton. Lower her density (in another canon-space) and let her blow into the wind.

22:25   Gentlemanvaultboy       After all, it says shes "Almost" invincible.

22:25   Agent57 So...just leave a lot of room for PC creativity? I like it.

22:25   Gentlemanvaultboy       We'll put it to the test.

22:26   FiremanPrime    Indeed. This is a talking/fluff-heavy game. Risus has almost no rolls or stats to muck around with. More room for madness and actionventure.

22:26   Lillifag        "Fire up the PARADOX engine. That's our second-to-last resort. If we fail.... We have only one last choice." - End,  Agent 13 of the Fourth Generation.

22:28   Gentlemanvaultboy       "Hey Sue, your turning into a penguin. Keep doing that."- Smiley, Agent 47 of the Forth Generation, after activating an infinite improbability drive.

22:30   Greyheart       I like Smiley.

22:30   Lillifag        "I personally hope she keeps doing that. It's pretty neat to watch." -Hopeful

22:30   Gentlemanvaultboy       What they don't tell you is that they were both sofas during that exchange.

22:31   Greyheart       "Yeah, but what if she was a PINK penguin, right guys? Pink is SOOO in right now." -Artist, Agent 72 of the Fourth Generation

22:32   FiremanPrime    "Pink or not, I really, REALLY would like to end this soon before this thing shorts out mid-probability!" -Thought, Agent 90 of the Fourth Generation

22:33   Lillifag        "Just fucking -shoot- her already before she realizes she can turn back." -End, Agent 13 of the Fourth Generation.

22:34   FiremanPrime    (sue-fighting music a-gogo:

22:35   Greyheart       Especially fighting Anime Sues.

22:35   Gentlemanvaultboy       "Good job, End. You really though that through".- Sardonic, 32 Editor of the forth generation, seconds after the Sue Changed Back.

22:35   Agent57 Looks like someone has made a quest thread about this. So far it looks like he's dropping us in the middle of the Crossover Wars. http://boards.4chan.org/tg/res/16534941#16534941

22:36   FiremanPrime    "God DAMNIT I hate when they have background music." -Thought, Agent 90 of the Fourth Generation

22:36   Lillifag        saw it

22:36   Lillifag        we're gonna be fucked

22:38   Lillifag        "Hey, the music's not as bad as the time they sent us into one of the worse Muse Planes." -Hopeful, Agent (NUMBER LOST) of the Fourth Generation.

22:39   FiremanPrime    (As this is all logged, the Named Agents will now be actual NPCs. Good job, folks.)

22:39   Greyheart       "Interesting...I can't move. I think we've been afflicted with a Turn-Based-Strategy Field." -Artist, Agent 72 of the Fourth Generation.

22:40   Agent57 I just imagined them In Final Fantasy Tactics thanks to Greyheart.

22:40   Agent57 And I gotta admit, that's pretty awesome.

22:41   FiremanPrime    I would play Editor Tactics so hard my DS would break in half vertically after 90 hours straight.

22:41   Lillifag        stop

22:41   Lillifag        stop now before I get my wallet

22:41   Lillifag        stop before I go broke

22:42   Greyheart       Stop making me choke on laughter you BASTARDS.

22:43   FiremanPrime    I keep throwing my debit card at the screen and nothing's happening. I deleted system32 and everything. What's going on?

22:43   Gentlemanvaultboy       "Don't worry guys, I got this. Hit my Music" Smiley, Agent 47 of the Forth Generation, About to get down with his bad self.

22:43   Gentlemanvaultboy       -Smiley, Agent 47 of the Forth Generation about to get down with his bad self.

22:44   Agent57 Doesn't work for me

22:44   Agent57 :C

22:44   Gentlemanvaultboy      

22:44   Lillifag        try popping it out

22:44   Gentlemanvaultboy       it shoud now

22:45   Lillifag        say

22:46   Greyheart       Should we participate in the quest thread? To ensure it goes well?

22:46   Agent57 Yeah it works.

22:46   Agent57 I already am.

22:46   Gentlemanvaultboy       I'm going to

22:46   Agent57 Or I would if my internet would work...

22:46   FiremanPrime    I'm participating. Voted for Spike and Rookie. We're good.

22:46   Lillifag        "Stop that music. We're not even -NEAR- a large rainbow. Why didn't you play that on the visit to Equestria, though?" -End, Agent 13 of the Fourth Generation.

22:47   FiremanPrime    "Don't even talk about Equestria to me. It's one thing to have 'magic' explain everything, but to base it on -kindness-? I'm surprised that Planeswalker incursion didn't do them in, honestly." -Thought, Agent 90 of the Fourth Generation

22:49   Gentlemanvaultboy       "Are you telling me you guys don't tell me you guy's don't like Pony Patrol?" -Smiley, Agent 47 of the Forth Generation, with a shit eating grim on his face.

22:50   FiremanPrime    "I'm just saying that it could use a touch of grimdarkness. And don't give me that 'It's a cancer, it's a cancer' crap. Gotta build their immune system somehow." -Thought, Agent 90 of the Fourth Generation

22:52   Gentlemanvaultboy       "How did all these end up in the Codex"-Sardonic, 32'nt Editor of the forth generation, head in her hands.

22:53           *** Agent57 quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)

22:53   Greyheart       "MLP is very colorful, but its cutesy visualization is just too much for me. I could barely walk, let alone run, and I still think I see that damned tattoo on my ass every other week." -Artist, Agent 72 of the Fourth Generation

22:54   Gentlemanvaultboy       "Why? Cuz were bad-asses" -Smiley, Agent 47 of the Forth Generation, before having his arm broken by Sardonic.

22:54   FiremanPrime    "See? See?!? That's what the Avatars'll do to you when they're cross-species as much as they were." -Thought, Agent 90 of the Fourth Generation, reflecting on some awful times fighting back a Demon's Souls Crossover

22:54   Lillifag        "Stop complaining. It's not Twilight Tour or Sonic Watch, and they at least have cute musical numbers. Plus, the higher-ups just LOVE sending you to places you hate." -End, Agent 13 of the Fourth Generation.

22:55           *** Greyheart quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)

22:55   FiremanPrime    "I'm not complaining. I'm -rationalizing-." Thought, Agent 90 of the Fourth Generation.

22:57   Lillifag        "RATIONALITY IS FOR -FAGGOTS-" -Lead First Person Shooter Director

22:57   Lillifag        "Get out of here, this isn't even your division." -End, Agent 13 of the Fourth Generation.

22:57           *** Greyheart joined #theeditors

22:57   Greyheart       Hello?

22:57   FiremanPrime    'Sup.

22:58   Greyheart       Ugh, I got kicked for some reason.

22:58   Lillifag        ...

22:58   Lillifag        so that's where Agent went

22:58   Gentlemanvaultboy       "Fuck it, I'm riding one. THAT one! I'm riding THAT pony"-Smiley, Agent 47 of the Forth Generation, before riding a pony.

22:58   FiremanPrime    If we get an IRC game going, I'm guessing we might be playing our current 'characters' (Thought, End, Artist, etc.)?

22:59   Greyheart       Sounds good to me. I'll either play Artist or Cynic.

23:00   Lillifag        "Get off of my back!" -Local life-forms, in response to Smiley

23:00   Lillifag        I'll take Hopeful or End, not sure which

23:01   Gentlemanvaultboy       "YEEEEEEE-HAWWWWWWW" -Smiley, Agent 47 of the Forth Generation, absolutely loving Pony Patrol.

23:03   Greyheart       "Oh for the love of- Smiley, get the cross OFF of that poor girl!" -Artist, Agent 72

23:03   Lillifag        "That seems fairly awkward, seeing how we're supposed to be disguised as the locals." -End, Agent 13 of the Fourth Generation, watching some clouds get kicked out of existience.

23:04   FiremanPrime    (Guess I know where I'm taking the party for their first adventure after all...)

23:05   Greyheart       Blargh....I have to go watch more My Little Pony, don't I...

23:05   Lillifag        (This seems to be a good setting for lighthearted shenanigans)

23:06   Greyheart       Suddenly, FiremanPrime has the Sue make it GRIMDARK AS ALL HELLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS BOOM!

23:06   Lillifag        OH FUCK, CANON JUST WENT BOOM

23:07   FiremanPrime    Well, I'm heading off for now. Everything's logged, I'll revise the notes (now a mini-codex), and all will be great. Adios!