Title: ChaosNewt about random thoughts Author: Tosxychor Pastebin link: http://pastebin.com/zBXMz37X First Edit: Wednesday 26th of June 2013 05:54:02 AM CDT Last Edit: Wednesday 26th of June 2013 05:54:02 AM CDT [00:00] there are voices in your head that aren't tulpas though. it's important not to confuse the two [00:00] Why? [00:00] how do you not confuse them? [00:00] well, a tulpa will generally be consistent in what it says [00:00] basically act like a peron talking to you [00:00] voices will be all over the place [00:00] just like random thoughts that pop into your head [00:00] No, before all that, why is it important to make the distinction? [00:00] because random thoughts do pop into your head, even now [00:00] Not me. [00:00] I dont have a voice for my thoughts, I just understand them. My tulpas have a distinct edge to their 'voices' per say [00:00] lol [00:00] Secondly. [00:00] F\ That's how it is for me, too, Alordex. [00:00] Random thoughts can easily be tulpa invoked. [00:00] yes, which is perhaps what marks them clearly as a tulpa [00:00] on the other hand, when you expect a voice you might hear one [00:00] * Scrappy (~Scrappy@21FF85B6:7537547B:BA097498:IP) Quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by AndChat-477609))) [00:00] Any method of talking to yourself inside your head can be utilized by a tulpa. [00:00] * HumbleGlow is now known as HumbleGlow|Minecraft [00:00] * Scrappy (~Scrappy@21FF85B6:7537547B:BA097498:IP) has joined #tulpa.info [00:00] which isn't necessarily a tulpa. all that is changed is your own expectation. [00:00] When you say, "Oh, the random voices aren't your tulpa," you're cutting off legitimate methods of tulpa-host communication. [00:00] * Zoe[I|S} is now known as Zoe[I|L|S} [00:00] brb imma eat [00:00] no, see, if a random voice is heard, then it is a random voice and not a tulpa [00:00] imma eat to [00:00] so I'm not cutting anything off [00:00] Yes, you are. [00:00] Not for yourself, but for the people you're "advising." [00:00] ohh.. what if I can't focus really well in the process of making my tulpa? like Ive been trying and sometimes my mind just wanders off or I cant imagine her really well [00:00] "Random voice" is easily a tool a tulpa will use. [00:00] just try to stay focused then. obviously you can't stay focused all the time, that's impossible [00:00] If you have such an arrangement in your head, then a tulpa is able to utilize it. [00:00] practice will make you better [00:00] no, see, a voice in your head is necessarily not effected by a tulpa [00:00] lol I feel really stupid [00:00] otherwise it would be a tulpa's voice [00:00] I remember that for ages before I made TLO I heard Whispers in my head saying "Make her Real." [00:00] and not a random voice [00:00] waffles: Not at all. [00:00] A tulpa can easily communicate to you through "random thoughts." [00:00] * Stratos (cgiirc@Rizon-713C9F13.superkabel.de) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [00:00] no, not if they are random [00:00] that's like saying that [00:00] in yalls opinion what step is most important? [00:00] You're not getting it. [00:00] "Random" doesn't mean anything. [00:00] as the first step I mean [00:00] * Firiro_Shade (cgiirc@Rizon-389A9FB1.opaltelecom.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [00:00] just getting a feel for who your tulpa is [00:00] You're basically telling someone to ignore anything out of the ordinary. [00:00] Spontaneous sounds a more Appropriate term. [00:00] There's no such thing as a "true random thought." [00:00] and being able to focus on them as an idea [00:00] sure there is. like if a thought just pops into your head [00:00] ok [00:00] mayday: Acknowledging the tulpa is there already. [00:00] that's not made by a tulpa. say you have no tulpa [00:00] Conscious, sensing, forming. [00:00] so this thought, not being consciously thought by you, is in effect random [00:00] Waffles, I didn't have one either Officially but She was born months before I made Her Body :/ [00:00] IS the tulpa here already, but I just haven't solified it? [00:00] waffles: >in effect [00:00] in concept, yes, but don't get too carried away [00:00] it doesn't mean that you don't have to make them sentient and everything [00:00] like it exists but I just haven't addressed her or the possibility of her? [00:00] * Makeshift58 (cgiirc@Rizon-F4D362AB.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [00:00] so use it as a motivational tool if you want, but not an excuse to not work [00:00] * Firiro_Shade (cgiirc@Rizon-389A9FB1.opaltelecom.net) has joined #tulpa.info [00:00] well, she exists in that you have thought about her now [00:00] the idea is that fundamentally, that's all you need [00:00] ok.. I understand better now.. [00:00] then you build upon that [00:00] do I have to sit and think on it or can I think about my tulpa while doing things? [00:00] What you're saying has no use to a starting tulpamancer. [00:00] The issue is determining which thoughts are random and which aren't random. [00:00] Which a newbie isn't liable to be able to do 100% perfectly. [00:00] mayday: Exactly. [00:00] which one would be better [00:00] you want to do some of both [00:00] so if you have a chance, sit down and spend time with her [00:00] ohh.. ok [00:00] but also, as you are going about your day, talk to her [00:00] mayday: Once you realize you have another person in your head, the goal with training is to train to do now what you plan to do later, when you've imposed her. [00:00] ChaosNewt, like I said, random thoughts aren't consistent in what they say whereas a tulpa is. [00:00] * StaticSpark[Dash] (~Static@84118F2E.F9BFB36D.5849C09B.IP) has joined #tulpa.info [00:00] I've thought about her appearance.. but I just need to imagine her and talk to her? Im just confused. lol [00:00] If you want to see your tulpa all the time, visualize your tulpa all the time. [00:00] F\ Yes, talking to her is good. [00:00] F\ And necessary. [00:00] basically yes, but read some creation guides on the forum as well [00:00] If you want to see your tulpa while your eyes are open in broad daylight, practice visualizing her in broad daylight with your eyes open. [00:00] * StaticSpark[Dash] (~Static@84118F2E.F9BFB36D.5849C09B.IP) Quit [00:00] ok.. I got it I think [00:00] waffles: An early tulpa's "random thoughts" might not be entirely consistent. [00:00] You're trying to put a shortcut where there isn't one. [00:00] are tulpas good friends? [00:00] I am providing a point of discretion [00:00] yes, they are [00:00] * Leo[Pikachu] (~LeoPikach@Rizon-B5733A75.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #tulpa.info [00:00] No advice is going to allow a new tulpamancer to suddenly know 100% what thought belong to who. [00:00] do they like tv? [00:00] F\ They can. [00:00] That's something everyone needs to learn. [00:00] F\ A tulpa is another person, mayday. [00:00] because initially, a tulpa is absolutely nothing at all. that doesn't mean that a tulpa is nothing, if you see what I mean [00:00] and that's fine, it can be learned [00:00] but not so much without knowing that it must be [00:00] and there is guidance [00:00] well.. Im off to try and visualize some more. Thanks guys! [00:00] F\ Bye mayday! [00:00] NP. [00:00] no problem.