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[20:06:29] <GoldenTouch> Mute me fgt

[20:06:29] Cannot send to channel

[20:06:38] <@Cheren-afk> can you speak golden?

[20:06:42] <GoldenTouch> nope

[20:06:42] Cannot send to channel

[20:06:47] <@Cheren-afk> okay

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[20:08:09] Cheren-afk [[email protected]] has set mode +v Lucyne

[20:08:15] <+Lucyne> I'm special!

[20:08:17] Cheren-afk [[email protected]] has set mode +o Lucyne

[20:08:25] <@Lucyne> [special intensifies]

[20:08:40] Cheren-afk gives Lucy a minty star indicating she's special

[20:09:08] <@Cheren-afk> upon further inspection, it has snowflake holograms

[20:09:32] Lucyne is not sure what it means, but she's special anyways

[20:09:38] Cheren-afk regrets nothing

[20:10:47] <GoldenTouch> c

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[20:11:33] GoldenTouch flips over the desk and runs out screaming ALLAH UH ACBAR! he lights the fuse and kills everyone in the building

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[20:11:42] <+GoldenTouch> k im done

[20:11:44] <@Cheren-afk> hue..

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[20:11:52] <@Cheren-afk> there

[20:11:58] <@Cheren-afk> not much going on here for right now

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[20:15:40] <+GoldenTouch> I DEMAND A REVOTE

[20:15:44] <@Cheren-afk> hue

[20:15:48] GoldenTouch screams as he's taken away by guards

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[20:15:54] <@Lucyne> lel

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[20:16:59] Cheren-afk waits for GreenLight

[20:17:45] GreenLight sits on his haunches and poses his forehooves, directing them at the counselors.  "Aliens."

[20:17:59] <@Cheren-afk> ...

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[20:19:45] GreenLight sits on his haunches and poses his forehooves, directing them at the counselors.  "Aliens."

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[20:19:51] GreenLight sits on his haunches and poses his forehooves, directing them at the counselors.  "Aliens."

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[20:20:32] GreenLight is done now, rmove kebab and voice pls

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[20:20:45] <@Lucyne> Thank you Mr Light, guards!

[20:21:55] <@Rain[Busy]> ok here now what?

[20:22:26] <@Lucyne> We listen to some plebians for a bit and then chuckle as they are dragged out screaming by guards

[20:22:27] <@Lucyne> Basically

[20:23:00] <@Cheren-afk> Alright, so. Backups or tidequest do we want to discuss first for a little bit? Or should those discussions take place behind closed doors? Or have me set up a google doc and pass it on to the others?

[20:23:31] <@Lucyne> Backups are elected by us, right?

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[20:23:37] <@Cheren-afk> yes

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[20:24:48] <@Lucyne> We should definitely have an anonymous vote on that, and pick out some candidates

[20:26:03] <@Cheren> I've got 2 in mind, but yeah. So, candidate proposals then?

[20:26:25] <@Lucyne> Want to make proposals public or anon as well?

[20:27:31] <@Cheren> well, considering the five of us will be the ones voting... Honestly it's fine either way to me.

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[20:28:11] <@Rain[Busy]> same here for either pretty much

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[20:28:17] <@Rain[Busy]> sorry damn  movie is sdistracting me

[20:28:20] <@Lucyne> >repost pls

[20:28:25] <@Cheren> well, considering the five of us will be the ones voting... Honestly it's fine either way to me.

[20:28:26] <@Lucyne> also make rights persistent

[20:28:45] Cheren forgot how. He's going to look through IRC

[20:30:17] <@Lucyne> anyways can you repost the candidates you had?

[20:31:22] <@Cheren> we haven't listed yet, but my two proposals would be Nova and Kai.

[20:31:48] <@Lucyne> k, noted

[20:32:11] <@Cheren> as much as it might give you a headache with Kai. If she can keep calm, she makes some good arguments.

[20:32:53] <@Lucyne> Well, I won't say a bad word about anyone

[20:33:55] <@Rain[Busy]> hmm

[20:33:55] <@Lucyne> btw, it is unlikely but possible I may have to leave 4C due to irl, if that is the case, how would we find a replacement?

[20:34:17] <@Rain[Busy]> Nova and Kai might be cool but what about Golden or Nix? Or maybe Greenlight?

[20:34:23] <@Rain[Busy]> hmm....

[20:34:45] <@Cheren> See who the next person in the votes list were?

[20:35:06] <@Cheren> Or have you become a backup...

[20:35:08] <@Lucyne> My candidates are Green Hoof and Green Light, if we do 2 candidates per

[20:35:11] <@Rain[Busy]> replacements can occur if need be and the back ups can act as metacouncil kinda thing if you arent on for a bit

[20:35:39] <@Lucyne> Well, if things happen, I would be gone for good, we'll see

[20:36:43] <@Rain[Busy]> DDDDDD: Whhhyyyyyy

[20:36:59] <@Lucyne> Eh, irl is not fun atm

[20:37:02] <@Lucyne> not an issue in here

[20:37:11] <@Rain[Busy]> I suppose....

[20:37:17] <@Lucyne> So those would be my candidates

[20:37:39] <@Rain[Busy]> i like Nix and Golden for my canidates

[20:38:01] <@Lucyne> So we're all voting for different people, perfect!

[20:38:07] <@Cheren> yay!

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[20:38:58] <@Rain[Busy]> kek

[20:39:08] <@Rain[Busy]> well lets decide on folks then

[20:39:18] <@Rain[Busy]> give reasons and arguments as to why you like em and all

[20:39:48] <@Rain[Busy]> mine is trying to add in the new blood to the gm circles and all so as to keep things freash and keep that accusation of innercircle down mostly

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[20:40:07] <@Cheren> dmmt rain, why are you not registered nickname

[20:40:34] <@Rain[Busy]> ?

[20:40:52] <@Cheren> says Rain_Drop isn't registered nickname

[20:41:32] <@Lucyne> Both GL and GH are old blood of 4C and have proven to be dedicated to the game and capable, I think old blood should be in the meta council, new people and GMs should do that, GM, not preside over what they are new at

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[20:42:49] <@Lucyne> There are others I would find capable for the job, of course, but these two would be my first pick

[20:44:00] <@Cheren> Nova wants to contribute something and has been around a while. She's also capable when not being lewd in main, and does help with balancing some of the stuff that I have done.

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[20:45:44] <@Cheren> Kai is good too. She just gets frustrated that not many people take her seriously because of her past actions, and she's been capable at balancing from what I've seen so far of MGQ.

[20:46:13] <@Lucyne> In good democratic spirit, I won't comment against anyone

[20:47:03] <@Cheren> Hoof I'm fine with if he gets on it.

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[20:49:04] <@RainDrop> meh anyway ok so that makes sense taht new blood would need to Gm to get better at stuff

[20:50:20] <@RainDrop> in the meantime why not have...Nova and Greenhoof? well dang it I suck at making my decisions as I dont like making people unhappy

[20:50:26] <@Cheren> rain plz register a nickname so I can auto-op you in here...

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[20:51:38] <@Lucyne> we aren't deciding today anyways since two councellors are missing

[20:51:44] <@Cheren> yeah

[20:52:19] <@RainDrop> mm

[20:53:07] <@Lucyne> also can we make Ikea our secretary pls?

[20:53:08] <@Lucyne> hue

[20:53:24] <@Cheren> golden has been around for a while, so he's sort of old blood, too. Haven't really paid much attention to some of his GMs here though since I can't monitor everything 24/7.

[20:54:15] <@Lucyne> Golden is definitely a favorite as well

[20:54:37] <@Lucyne> But I feel he is more focused on his 7C and other projects than reviewing other people's stuff

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[20:57:07] <@RainDrop> sorry moved to muh couch n trailer as brother are wantign to play on xbox and tdamn its cold!

[20:57:12] <@Cheren> nah, it's fine

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[20:57:39] <+GoldenTouch> o hia

[20:57:55] GoldenTouch would like to say something i-if thats okay baka

[20:58:06] <@Cheren> GoldenTouch, will you focus on review stuff and being involved if we nominate you for a backup?

[20:58:15] <@Lucyne> It isn't, this council is not for talking

[20:58:17] <+GoldenTouch> Of course

[20:58:21] <+GoldenTouch> [k]

[20:58:27] <@RainDrop> well still i would kinda like to sorta have new people on as i woyuld have really expected well a lot of newer players to be elected as metacouncilers realy

[20:58:41] <+GoldenTouch> I'm not a new player, I'm just a new GM

[20:58:45] <@Lucyne> Metacouncil is not for being GMs, it's for reviewing

[20:58:50] <+GoldenTouch> exactly

[20:58:55] <@Lucyne> aka the most experienced in both 4C and other PnP should be elected

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[21:00:15] <@Cheren> thanks golden

[21:00:39] <@RainDrop> i could live with that tho i have to ask um kidna want to make it so we are more or less legitament and taken seriously as we are open to what the palyers want

[21:01:13] <@Lucyne> Being open and helping GMs is our job

[21:01:30] <@Cheren> but yeah, I know Hoof wants to help develop the lore and whatnot.  So does Nova.

[21:01:33] <@Lucyne> Many other players don't want to work on other people's ideas because they are busy with their own

[21:01:45] <@Cheren> and there's that, too

[21:02:12] <@Lucyne> people misunderstand the metacouncil being the council of "super GMs"

[21:02:39] <@RainDrop> mm

[21:02:51] <@RainDrop> well its more like we are advisors right?

[21:02:59] <@RainDrop> to the gms and all so as to help them out

[21:03:11] <@Lucyne> Yep, and advisors should have as much experience as possible, in PnP and/or 4C in general

[21:03:27] <@Cheren> right and acting as a shield if anything that appears wonky to the players from an outside perspective

[21:03:33] <@Cheren> that we approve

[21:03:44] <@Lucyne> correct

[21:04:09] Cheren finds it ironic that Lucy is on the council to stop the #blameGM.

[21:04:14] <@RainDrop> hah

[21:04:28] Lucyne will be wherever the blame goes, always

[21:04:36] <@RainDrop> well i suppose we could do it that way then whichc do you guys like the most then?

[21:04:45] <@RainDrop> I know cher is ok with GH being on

[21:05:05] <@RainDrop> Would it work if we had hm...Nova and GH happen?

[21:05:13] <@RainDrop> Or maybe KAi and Golden?

[21:05:34] RainDrop is shooting stuff in the barrel to see which combo will have the largest amount of discussions

[21:05:41] <@RainDrop> mostly arguing and all hue

[21:05:56] <@Lucyne> I can't say I would vote for Kai or Nova, and not because of personal reasons, but because I find they both would be better suited as GMs

[21:07:38] <@RainDrop> hmmm

[21:08:04] <@RainDrop> wekk what about one older fellow plus one of the newer fellows for traditions and experiance plus new ideas and stuf?

[21:08:07] <@Lucyne> GL has always been one to work with other GMs and try to make new stuff

[21:08:25] <@Lucyne> GH has shown talent and dedication to 4C, and I trust his integrity

[21:08:26] RainDrop has noticed that those who sorta do the behind the scenes work suffer IC;y

[21:08:40] <@Lucyne> >being able to have fun

[21:08:43] <@Lucyne> >be a true over GM

[21:08:44] <@Lucyne> Pick one

[21:09:04] <@RainDrop> shy not both?

[21:09:07] <@RainDrop> :P

[21:09:19] <@RainDrop> Anyway hmm

[21:09:20] Lucyne will tell you about the curse of the GM...

[21:09:24] <@RainDrop> nuuu

[21:09:29] <@Lucyne> Or maybe that's just my personal curse

[21:09:29] <@Cheren> because then you get mintyovermind leaking

[21:09:51] Cheren sips the mint flavored kool-aid

[21:09:52] <@RainDrop> back to matter at hand...

[21:10:21] <@RainDrop> Nix and Golden have also been working hard at it as well though I do like having Greenbean and Farmerbro being on as our back ups

[21:10:23] <@Cheren> Voting is still at 4/5ths confirmation for now.. Other alternatives

[21:10:38] <@RainDrop> well shit why not just have 4 back ups just incase ?

[21:10:48] <@RainDrop> or is that comblicatiing tihngs?

[21:10:59] <@Lucyne> That seems over complicated

[21:11:07] <@RainDrop> hue

[21:11:18] <@Lucyne> Golden is definitely a very close third on my list, but I again think his calling is in GMing and narrative

[21:11:23] <@RainDrop> ok well I guess I can be happy with GL and GH then

[21:11:38] <@Cheren> We're going to have to have 4 for the whole 5c thing, but after that, it would drop down to 2. Only because everyone but Spark is involved with it.

[21:11:40] <@RainDrop> mm! Hes really good i even helped him out with a npc thing in 7c

[21:11:41] <@Lucyne> Nix seems too inexperienced to be forced to do this hard job

[21:12:03] <@RainDrop> which reminds me to make a character sheet or ask when next session is when its not being busy for my end ><

[21:12:03] <@Cheren> well tidequest, not 5c

[21:12:35] <@Lucyne> Well you know my stance on that thing

[21:12:48] <@Lucyne> I guess we can get 4 backups then, but that seems a bit, ech, whatever

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[21:13:26] <@Cheren> actually, Lucy, I've forgotten, being bitched at from people that want it canon and those that don't.

[21:13:44] <@RainDrop> forgotten what?

[21:13:54] <@RainDrop> Also wouldnt it be mainly volunteering and all?

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[21:13:57] <@Lucyne> It's an insult to PnP, executed horribly badly and should be erased with extreme prejudice

[21:14:16] <@RainDrop> tidequest?

[21:14:16] <@Lucyne> Nothing went right, 5C needs to step over it's ego and admit that

[21:15:00] <@RainDrop> XD yeah i guess you could say that everytime we went in we sorta made a mess of things alot of the time...that or else it was just Lucy being sent over the edge amd me not being able to fix it...again

[21:15:04] <@Cheren> so keep 5c and 4c separate like I've asked in the the forum then?

[21:15:05] <@Lucyne> Not just tidequest, all of 5C was executed extremely shoddily

[21:15:23] <@Lucyne> You can keep it as a noncannon spinoff like 7C sure

[21:15:44] <@Lucyne> But the whole leaving thing was never ironed out, never executed, everything a mess

[21:15:49] <@Lucyne> no one properly informed

[21:16:13] <@RainDrop> yeaaah

[21:16:21] <@Cheren> we're all in agreement there...

[21:16:27] <@RainDrop> kinda why i sort stopped doing stuff IC untill we figured that out

[21:16:44] <@RainDrop> and i was hoping to not be on metacouncil when that happened so we could sorta resolve it heh

[21:16:58] <@RainDrop> again going to need Able and Sparky on to do that

[21:17:02] <@Cheren> And nobody's brought up caring if I start going IC here tomorrow again.

[21:17:02] <@Lucyne> Yea, >half of council just dissapearing without any scene or planning or anything

[21:17:05] <@Lucyne> Shameful

[21:17:05] <@RainDrop> which sucks as Sparky takes foreer

[21:17:24] <@RainDrop> ok then what would you suggest?

[21:17:36] <@RainDrop> Just cutting it out period and Tide is lost to the winds of time?

[21:17:40] <@RainDrop> Or something>

[21:17:59] <@Lucyne> Jup

[21:18:20] <@Lucyne> That's how it's done is usual PnP when something fucks up, if someone has a better idea, I'm open

[21:18:27] <@Cheren> dunno, but a few aren't coming back to 4c anyway, so I guess they npc or went off on their own or something...

[21:18:47] <@Lucyne> They can just be NPC, or whatever they want

[21:18:54] <@RainDrop> then i suppose Quick and Rose sorta just fade into the background I guess....

[21:19:08] <@RainDrop> oh god damn it all that suuuuucks

[21:19:26] <@Cheren> Yeah, no way to make everyone happy in this.

[21:19:37] <@Lucyne> That is Quick and Rose's decision

[21:19:40] <@RainDrop> so i guess if we want to do any of that bringing cool stuff back thing wed have to order it or it be a quest thing

[21:19:46] <@RainDrop> yeah i know still sucks balls

[21:20:02] <@RainDrop> but back to discussion at hand do we want GL and GH as back ups then?

[21:20:08] <@Lucyne> Think I'm happy about it? But they don't wanna play anymore so their decision

[21:20:10] <@RainDrop> out of the 3 of us i mean

[21:20:16] <@Cheren> Hoof I'm fine with.

[21:20:24] <@Lucyne> We can't vote today, anyways

[21:20:39] <@RainDrop> i know just asking for clarifications sakes

[21:20:41] <@Cheren> Yeah, we need to discuss when able and spark

[21:21:06] <@RainDrop> in regards to 5c and quick and rose well they still on skype so thats cool i guess and ooc in regards to quick

[21:21:08] <@RainDrop> so theres that

[21:21:26] <@RainDrop> but for 5C could we just have it be like a way to settle in lore or something else?

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[21:21:44] <@RainDrop> And i guess we could do it that during the interim times we sorta were just NPCed a lot?

[21:21:50] <@RainDrop> no leaving and all?

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[21:22:03] <@Lucyne> Would be how I would do it

[21:22:23] <@Cheren> yeah. I know that I was working on a sleigh before I went.

[21:23:13] <@Cheren> And I can say I've been teaching Deduced the accounting stuff

[21:23:30] <@RainDrop> Hi Able

[21:23:34] <@Lucyne> And I've been teaching Glacial magic or similar

[21:23:38] <@Lucyne> Can all be worked out

[21:23:45] <@Lucyne> Or I can do that one campaign I made for 4C

[21:23:48] <@Lucyne> Maybe

[21:24:00] <@Cheren> if you have the time

[21:24:05] <@Able_Tome> Evening! 'x cuse me for a travel and food enduced coma, eheh. Anyone mind dumping an unclean log?

[21:24:16] <@RainDrop> I swear to god if its using you as a plot device and it breaks the lucy u will be snuggled to death

[21:24:19] <@RainDrop> I swear it

[21:24:21] <@RainDrop> really