Temperature Resistance Ruleset for 4S

So, we've been discussing with Phoenix Down an optional ruleset for extreme weather resistance. This is important for our little, northern hamlet, as it will help to make the effects of our latitude feel more real. Note, this is an optional ruleset, and a work in progress. If you feel that your quest does not have need to put weather in as a consideration, you don't have to use it. Exploration and Slice of Life quests would likely benefit from this ruleset.

 

Ponies can survive without consequence at up to -15 degrees Celsius. When you reach this marker, and descend below it in temperature, players will begin to feel the effects of the cold. Players must make Temperature Resistance Checks periodically to prevent hypothermia from worsening. The distance in time is measured in actions, and reduces based on weather conditions. The GM will make a roll based off the temperature, and take into account modifiers based off weather. You can find the current weather conditions for our area in Ikea's Numbers, in the Five Day Weather Forecast Tab. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqzKxeh9U-u7dDM1aW5BVGJldDhpbDhsUzZybHFpWVE#gid=4

 

-15C = 1d20 Actions

-25C = 1d12 Actions

-35C = 1d10 Actions

-45C = 1d8 Actions

-55C = 1d6 Actions

-65C = 1d4 Actions

Clear Sky, Sun is Out +2 Actions

Stiff Breeze -2 Actions

Strong Wind -4 Actions

High Winds -6 Actions

Rain -2 Actions

Sleet -4 Actions

Snow -6 Actions

 

So, a clear day without wind that is -15C would result in a Temp Resist Check every 1d20+2 actions, while a Blizzard in -27C would be 1d12-12... They would make a check every action.

 

Temp Resist is a simple d20 Check with a DC of 10. This check is modified by equipment on hand.

Light Clothes +2

Medium Clothes, Leather Armor +4

Heavy Clothes, Metal Armor with Padding +6

Cold Weather Gear +2 (Stacks over clothing)

Metal Armor without Padding -2

 

Failure would result in moving down the tiers of Hypothermia as below:

 

1. Hey, It's kinda cold out here. Meh. (All start at this tier)

2. -1 to all rolls, including Temp Resist.

3. -2 to all rolls, including Temp Resist. Visible shivering.

4. -4 to all rolls, including Temp Resist. Numbness and lack of coordination. Paradoxical Undressing may set in, as the hypothalmus goes haywire.

5. -8 to all rolls, including Temp Resist. Terminal Burrowing has begun, and the pony is finding it hard to stay awake.

6. Death

 

The following is a log of the discussion.

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[23:12] <Cheren> well, negatives to holding weapons with hooves for one thing if you're not properly glove hooved thingy.

[23:12] <Phoenix_Down> FUCK

[23:12] <Phoenix_Down> [21:35:22] <Phoenix_Down> tier one would be just cold, its what the plaers would typically experience in the town

[23:12] <Phoenix_Down> [21:35:53] <Phoenix_Down> tier two would be, y'know a little worse, about what one would expect when they have been out in the cold for a while, its at this point distracting, where someone would complain about being cold

[23:12] <Phoenix_Down> [21:36:06] <Phoenix_Down> a -1 debuff to physical rolls at this point

[23:12] <Phoenix_Down> [21:36:22] <Rain_Drop> mhmm

[23:12] <Phoenix_Down> [21:36:25] <Rain_Drop> go on...

[23:12] <Phoenix_Down> [21:37:56] <Phoenix_Down> then there is the third tier, at this poing the character would be visibly shivering cold and it would be a bit harder for them to do physical activities, a -2 debuff

[23:12] <Phoenix_Down> [21:38:33] <Phoenix_Down> then there is the fourth tier, at this point you have stopped shivering and start to feel a bit numb, its harder for you to grip things and physical activities are a good deal harder, a -4 debuff

[23:12] <Phoenix_Down> [21:39:37] <Phoenix_Down> then there is the last tier, at this point you feel harsh cold, down to your very core, you find it difficult to stay awake and your movements are all sluggish and difficult, a -8 debuff to physical actions

[23:12] <Rain_Drop> hue

[23:12] <Rain_Drop> just hue

[23:12] <Phoenix_Down> shush Rain

[23:14] <High_Tide> ohey sparky is here

[23:14] <Spark_Chaser> Okay. So are we talking about weather based debuffs

[23:14] <Cheren> jep

[23:14] <Spark_Chaser> Note, It is 8 degrees in 4c's approximate climate right now...

[23:14] <High_Tide> should I stick around to talk about 5c? I don't want to interrupt Phoe's idea

[23:15] <Spark_Chaser> Yes.

[23:16] <Spark_Chaser> So, Phoe, continue.

[23:16] <Phoenix_Down> mkay, so I was talking to rain about cold based debuffs... as you can obviously see above my five tier levels [that I haven't named yet, this was just a rough draft]

[23:17] <Phoenix_Down> and Rain and I had come up with an idea of descending through the levels of body temperature based on how many times you post in a cold enviroment, using it as a measure of time since some people take a while to post and it seems fair

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[23:18] <Cheren> [-27C right now, sparky we are based off of winnepeg, canada for temperatures. Colder than some points of Antartica]

[23:19] <Spark_Chaser> Oh. I had Toronto.

[23:19] <Phoenix_Down> so a combination of the cold from I guess winnepeg and whatever enviromental effects are also in place, like if it was snowing or raining it would make it colder

[23:21] <Spark_Chaser> Okay. So, where are the dividing lines for the different tiers? What temp does it have to be outside to get to the final tier.

[23:23] <Curious> [quick question here, spark we still have the shantytown or was that replaced with townhomes?]

[23:23] <Spark_Chaser> Shanty town exists, but is slowly being replaced with Sleep Halls.

[23:24] <Curious> [thanks]

[23:24] <Spark_Chaser> It's primarily used for background pones.

[23:25] <Phoenix_Down> so it wouldn't be an actual temperature level, but more based on how long one is out in the cold?

[23:26] <Spark_Chaser> Looking at this...

[23:26] <Able_Tome> Here's another thing/submission that needs to be considered: http://pastebin.com/WxMcWi0e

[23:26] <Spark_Chaser> http://chestofbooks.com/animals/horses/Stable-Management-Exercise/Ability-Of-Horses-To-Bear-Extremes-Of-Temperature.html#.UsTpfPRDsxE

[23:26] <Able_Tome> Put it into the queue to look through

[23:26] <Redlight> queue?

[23:26] <Redlight> oh jeez

[23:26] <Able_Tome> As for weather proposition, catching up on the read atm

[23:26] <Able_Tome> btw

[23:27] <Able_Tome> Who controls the current document?

[23:27] <Cheren> >-300 yeah, mistranscribing of -30 degrees

[23:27] <Spark_Chaser> The Voting document is owned by my Hazard account, but is editable to all who have its link.

[23:29] <Able_Tome> Hmm... maybe we can change the sharing option for it, allowing it to be edited only by metacouncil members, while others will be able to view it?

[23:30] <Able_Tome> Just a thought to be considered.

[23:30] <Cheren> hm

[23:30] <Able_Tome> It's anonymous voting vs seeing ongoing votes/comments.

[23:30] <Cheren> what about spoilers for quests and such and making sure people don't meta?

[23:31] <Able_Tome> Yeah, true

[23:31] <Phoenix_Down> ^

[23:31] <Spark_Chaser> ^ I agree.

[23:31] <Spark_Chaser> Discussion in the open, Votes on the doc.

[23:31] <Spark_Chaser> So...

[23:31] <Cheren> I suppose another document could be created without spoilers

[23:32] <Spark_Chaser> At 9 degrees Fahrenheit, drivers are required to give horses protection from the elements...

[23:32] <Able_Tome> Eh;... it's good as it is for now, I suppose. Back to topic and I need to catch up on it

[23:33] <Cheren> ~ -13C for metric

[23:34] <Spark_Chaser> Thank you. Metric is good.

[23:34] <Phoenix_Down> so as Rain suggested, make a scale that judges the temperature outside, the weather effects outside and what the pone is wearing to resist the cold weather, then make a system that uses the number of posts for time scale since some people like to make their posts super long and take a while

[23:35] <Spark_Chaser> According to another article: Horses exposed to constant chronic cold weather acclimatise to the cold. Typically, horses require 10 – 21 days to adapt to cold. For example, a horse kept at 20°C and exposed to temperatures of 5°C will adapt to temperatures of 5°C over 10 to 21 days. When the temperature drops to – 5°C, the horse will need another 10 – 21 days to adapt to this increasing cold. This process continues up to –15°C, which is the lower critical temperature (LCT).

[23:35] <Spark_Chaser> Tell me if it cuts.

[23:36] <Phoenix_Down> this process continues up to -15 C which

[23:36] <Spark_Chaser> which is the lower critical temperature (LCT).

[23:36] <Spark_Chaser> Basically, we can survive up to -15 C

[23:37] <Spark_Chaser> Without cover

[23:37] <Spark_Chaser> Heated homes and clothing are probably what is keeping us alive right now, but to be honest, some of our background pones should have died, especially given our food rationing.

[23:38] <Able_Tome> That, and mind about our current production chains.

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[23:38] <Able_Tome> We have miners, logging and stone cutting still 'working'

[23:38] <Able_Tome> *mining

[23:39] <Cheren> yeah we'd have to ask Ikea about said stuff

[23:39] <Spark_Chaser> Yup. And they have to eat even more to keep working.

[23:39] <Able_Tome> Yeap, that or don't work at all.

[23:39] <Spark_Chaser> Calorie intake not only supports work, but body temp.

[23:40] <Able_Tome> Think about what sort of people/pones 4C is composed from, hue

[23:40] <Able_Tome> Pretty sure that food intake, like you've said, would increase to support production, but some of it would've still dropped.

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[23:41] <Spark_Chaser> Some of us, however, have already burned through our fat stores. Without food, we freeze.

[23:42] <Cheren> I know we've increased our food and fuel consumption because it's winter

[23:43] <Rain_Drop> allo allo w=sorry what i miss?

[23:43] <Phoenix_Down> my idea was more for the sake of PnPs, rather than the micromanagement of our citizens

[23:43] <Cheren> hence ike'as increased stuff. But yeah, PnP. Let's focus on that

[23:44] <Spark_Chaser> Well, we'd need to have a system based off of temperature and exposure time.

[23:44] <Spark_Chaser> We could say that -15 C is the starting point of being too cold to bear.

[23:45] <Spark_Chaser> For every 5 degrees below that and 10 minute, we increase the potency of the debuff?

[23:45] <Phoenix_Down> as I said a rudimentary system based on post numbers for the sake of PnPs fits better because of how long some people make their posts and how long they do take to post

[23:45] <Spark_Chaser> Yeah

[23:45] <Phoenix_Down> for real time that would work, but real time doesnt really work with a webchat system hue

[23:45] <Spark_Chaser> minute in ponyworld time.

[23:46] <Spark_Chaser> Which is based off number of actions.

[23:46] <Spark_Chaser> so, like she said, posts.

[23:46] <Cheren> just take the average between the high and the low for the day?

[23:46] <Rain_Drop> Yay we have progress!

[23:46] <Booze_Hound> hey cheren, did you pass my idea to the MC?

[23:46] <Cheren> yeah, it's in the list

[23:47] <Phoenix_Down> yea, number of actions, but I suppose what constitutes an action would be more up to the GM?

[23:47] <Spark_Chaser> Yeah, probably. Or, take the average, and drop it by 10 when you're in the morning or evening.

[23:47] <Rain_Drop> also why did tide leave thought he was going to give deets for 5c and stuff also I am committing to one end or another to its cannonity cuz christ we need to take a stand and all, now for the Booze stuff yeah I gave my vote on it looks like a lot seemed to be taking it well

[23:47] <Cheren> For those not keeping up, Booze wants to try his hand at GMing and submitted a proposal that he wants help on. We'll get to that later on if we're still awake.

[23:48] <Phoenix_Down> well I thought we were taking this to... well the metacouncil channel rather thant he public plan channel

[23:48] <Phoenix_Down> also Sparky doesn't op on join that channel

[23:49] <Rain_Drop> eh i kinda see them both as valid places for metacouncil to occur more or less really

[23:49] <Rain_Drop> the 2nd for more civil discussion on stuff that is super volatile pending on what it is mainly

[23:49] <Rain_Drop> or somethign

[23:49] <Rain_Drop> to that effect i mean

[23:49] <Cheren> huh

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[23:51] <Redlight> eyup, use teh second room when it comes to personal secret requests

[23:52] <Redlight> im sure u guys know when to use that or not

[23:53]  * Phoenix_Down shrugs

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[23:53] <Rain_Drop> but yeah to keep up the momentum of the discussion and cuz i am obviously not distracted by getting this Deamon Tools thing to work, i think that the potential of this cold weather debuff thing can be a cool tool for future gms to use and for RP purposes do it story board teller style with some nods to it and if they have stayed outside too long they can show that

[23:54] <Mad_Stan> there's no reason right now to use the meta council since we're working on game mechanics, not debating about voting on them.

[23:54] <Spark_Chaser> Yeah.

[23:54] <Spark_Chaser> It'll be good to get more people in on this.

[23:55] <Phoenix_Down> m'kay, so at what kind of weather effects would cause a drop in cold resilliance, such as high winds, snow, a blizzard, etc

[23:56] <Spark_Chaser> Okay, how about this: Based on the average temperature, and certain modifiers, you have to make rolls every so often to resist the cold. A failure moves you to a worse tier of hypothermia, granting the debuffs we saw above.

[23:56] <Spark_Chaser> The lower the temp, and worse the conditions, the more often you have to roll.

[23:57] <Mad_Stan> that could work.

[23:57] <Spark_Chaser> Night, rain, snow, wind, are all modifiers, and the debuff applies to your Resist Cold roll as well.

[23:57] <Rain_Drop> mm well i was more partial to the whole post numbers and keeping track of them so you dont get screwed by a secondary invisible healthy bar thing not constant rolls

[23:57] <Mad_Stan> modifers for cold weather gear and ... yeah, let's keep it simple

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[23:58] <Phoenix_Down> huh... rolling is pretty simple, and easier on the GM to keep track of

[23:58] <Spark_Chaser> Basically, it's like this, -15C, but now wind or other conditions, Okay everybody, after 1d20 actions we all roll for cold.

[23:59] <Spark_Chaser> Somethin' like that.

[23:59] <Phoenix_Down> not every action, per se, but every certain number of actions you would have to roll, roll high enough, like a crit sucess and the number of actions before rolling again is longer, or maybe go back up a tier

[23:59] <Spark_Chaser> It's -32 out, rainy, windy, no gear... You rollin every 1d4 actions.... Yeah Phoe. Like that.

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[00:01] <Rain_Drop> ah so it would be simlair to making the constitution check in extreme conditions depending on what thte weather is like and such

[00:01] <Spark_Chaser> Yup.

[00:01] <Rain_Drop> !roll d10 rounds till Cold Check

[00:01] <Rain_Drop> kek

[00:01] <Spark_Chaser> Yup.

[00:02] <Rain_Drop> so lets say 5 came up so on the 5th round everyone rolls d20 then have to pass said cold check?

[00:02] <Spark_Chaser> Yup. Get modifiers for cold weather gear, debuff if they haven't eaten.

[00:03] <Phoenix_Down> how would you dictate if they heave eaten though?

[00:03] <GreenLight> *CoughTalkaboutcold-resistantstormclouds*cough

[00:03] <Cheren> >if they hadn't ate. I think we drop that one for right now, spark

[00:03] <Spark_Chaser> Yeah.

[00:03] <Cheren> and ^ to GL from rain's thingy

[00:03] <Spark_Chaser> Only if the player mentions it. -2.

[00:04] <Phoenix_Down> should the GM ask? HP, Gear, SSSS, have you eaten?

[00:04] <Spark_Chaser> They could, but we could just as easily skip it.

[00:05] <Spark_Chaser> Assume we've all eaten. How often have we seen player's RP that they've not eaten? Not often.

[00:05] <Phoenix_Down> yea escept Greenhoof

[00:06]  * Rain_Drop wishes we had a bot that could keep track of aninidividuals food intake and water intakes but oh well

[00:06] <Phoenix_Down> sounds like an asston of work Rain

[00:06] <Rain_Drop> Also bout the cold spot thing I brought that up with the other members right?

[00:06] <Redlight> >thinking up a complicated system that will probably only be valid for 1 more month

[00:07] <Redlight> but if you think it's worth the trouble, go for it

[00:07] <Spark_Chaser> >And in specific environmental conditions. Sudden Ice Cave.

[00:07] <Rain_Drop> red please im trying to get the potions system to work ....

[00:07] <Cheren> 2 at least, but would help for whatever summer heat goes as well

[00:08] <Spark_Chaser> Yeah, because it can go in the other direction as well. Temperature Check. Number of degrees outside the comfort zone maps to Temp Resistance roll frequency.

[00:09] <Phoenix_Down> kay... urf pones get any resistance bonuses to the check?

[00:10] <Cheren> the spot thingy? I think it would just be the colors for now. I don't want it to be headed down the path of having to work under PMs trying to figure out how the other person would react because of soul mixing. Especially if more than 1 other spotted pony enters the mix.

[00:10] <Rain_Drop> those who stay hydrated and take a quick dip in a river could possibly work as well

[00:10] <Spark_Chaser> Yeah.

[00:10] <Cheren> probably +2 like the other resistances, nix

[00:10] <Spark_Chaser> Clothes in cold weather, water in warm weather.

[00:11] <Rain_Drop> I was goin to have it be along the lines that that would be locked after contact with another bleached pooony really but i can just drop it if it too much

[00:11] <Cheren> anyway back to cold weather. we can build off of this in the future

[00:11] <Spark_Chaser> DANG!

[00:11] <Spark_Chaser> We're never gonna get to the point of needing a heat resistance check.

[00:12] <Spark_Chaser> Spring is the warmest avereage temp in Winnipeg. -2C!

[00:12] <Phoenix_Down> yea, cold weather and its effects on a PnP, so take how much colder it is than the base with the given temp of the day in winnipeg.. then modify it based on the weather conditions, match it against what the pone has equipped warmthwise

[00:12] <Spark_Chaser> Nevermind. Summer is 18C

[00:12] <Spark_Chaser> Still, not hot.

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[00:13] <Spark_Chaser> Okay, If -15 is LCT, That's the base line. We drop by 10 degrees, we drop a die.

[00:14] <Spark_Chaser> -15 1d20, -25 1d12, -35 1d10, -45 1d8.

[00:14] <Spark_Chaser> This gets a minus for wind and rain/snow.

[00:14] <Rain_Drop> Works for me then would the DC increase as we went then?

[00:14] <Phoenix_Down> whats that specific die for?

[00:15] <Spark_Chaser> How often you have to do the check.

[00:15] <Phoenix_Down> mkay

[00:15] <Rain_Drop> For each level temp we go down the more often we have to cold check

[00:15] <Phoenix_Down> mmhmm

[00:15] <Rain_Drop> And the dcs can go like 12 14, 16, then 18 or something?

[00:15] <Rain_Drop> Or too hard?

[00:15] <Spark_Chaser> The DC doesn't get any worse.

[00:15] <Rain_Drop> Oh so just a flat 12 or 10 then?

[00:15] <Spark_Chaser> But it will get modded for wind and rain/snow.

[00:16] <Rain_Drop> So say we have pony rolls and gets a 11 but since its windy and raining she looses 2 to her roll and goes deeper in the teir?

[00:16] <Phoenix_Down> rather than make the DC higher, make their mod against it worse

[00:16] <Rain_Drop> to then 2nd teir i mean and gets debuffed due to it

[00:16] <Phoenix_Down> yea

[00:17] <Spark_Chaser> Yeah.

[00:17] <Rain_Drop> sweet ok then would it then make sense to keep it simple mind, to have each addjective used in the scene be a plus or minus just somehting flat even

[00:17] <Spark_Chaser> Like 2, 4, 6

[00:17] <Rain_Drop> Like a rainy wet day would incur a -2 to your cold check once you needed to?

[00:18] <Spark_Chaser> Rain is a -2, Sleet is -4, Snow is -6?

[00:18] <Rain_Drop> since Rain=1 and windy =1 which makes it 2 total

[00:18] <Rain_Drop> hmm...

[00:18] <Rain_Drop> yeah i could roll with that

[00:18] <Spark_Chaser> Stiff breeze -2, strong wind -4, storm wind -6

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[00:18] <Spark_Chaser> So a blizzard would be a -12

[00:19] <Cheren> eh, or we could go with what it's like reflecting the weather of the day

[00:19] <Rain_Drop> hmm then that would mean it be impossible to get out unless you had modifiers to combat that

[00:19] <Spark_Chaser> Being out in even a -15C blizzard would have you rolling, at most, every 8 actions.

[00:19] <Cheren> Or horns~

[00:19] <Spark_Chaser> huh?

[00:20] <Spark_Chaser> Rain> That would actually be rather accurate then.

[00:20] <Rain_Drop> mk well in that case would it make sense the moon clothing style thing be the fram we use for the clothes modifiers to help you out since even if you got a flat 20 you would be at 8 in a blizzard

[00:20] <Cheren> horn autohits for 1d4 under current 4s rules if you take the 6 month perk

[00:20] <Cheren> I'm guessing that would be reduced

[00:20] <Cheren> or less damage

[00:21] <Spark_Chaser> In that cold of a blizzard, you don't go out!

[00:21] <Rain_Drop> crap gotta go for a bit wait no i can take this along with me!

[00:22] <Spark_Chaser> Normal clothing gives you nil, A solid coat +2, a fluffy coat +4, cold weather gear +6.

[00:22] <Spark_Chaser> So, You could at least negate the wind of a blizzard.

[00:23] <Spark_Chaser> You don't want to stay out long, though.

[00:23] <Rain_Drop> yeah i could see that

[00:23] <Cheren> Maybe negatives to init indicating how slower it is to act in the thicker suits. hm.

[00:23] <Spark_Chaser> Your Hypothermia debuff applies to all rolls.

[00:23] <Spark_Chaser> ALL rolls.

[00:24] <Rain_Drop> yeah and the heavy thickness thing with wearing such clothig would be the result of a lower initive roll

[00:24] <Cheren> thought that was only if you failed the roll. so those would be more for resisting the next level then?

[00:24] <Rain_Drop> I think so

[00:25] <Rain_Drop> Is it more along the lines of 2nd level and so on buggin you in your actions while you try to prevent the cold from getting worse?

[00:25] <Spark_Chaser> So, if you've gone to a new tier of hypothermia, it's harder to resist the next one, but it's also harder to think straight, do work, and fight.

[00:25] <Cheren> right, spark

[00:26] <Spark_Chaser> Yeah, stage one is your standard, "Hey, It be cold."

[00:26] <Spark_Chaser> Like was said at the top.

[00:27] <Spark_Chaser> We could base the temp off of winnipeg and the weather conditions on a random roll. Ikea's doc could store it in the day planner.

[00:28] <Spark_Chaser> That way, we would know what the weather will be like for a ways in advance.

[00:28] <Spark_Chaser> Oh! Cloud cover is a factor. Sun warms your bones.

[00:28] <Phoenix_Down> well... the main reason I brought this whole thing up in the first place was for quest ideas that pertained to dealing with the weather, rather than an enemy

[00:29] <Spark_Chaser> I was hoping someone would.

[00:30] <Phoenix_Down> I was talking with Lucyne about it for my Frozen North quest idea that I put in a while ago, and I had wanted to do a small foraging like quest just to test the system as well

[00:30] <Redlight> [seems like a hinderance to all players..it's like hardcore difficulty]

[00:30] <Redlight> quests are normally hard by themselves already]

[00:30] <Rain_Drop> [numbers intensifies the ikeas did this.jpg]

[00:31] <Rain_Drop> hehe but seriously i rather like that idea as before i had looked it up on the google weather to get an idea of how it was tempeture wise and the weather for the most part but doing it constantly day in and out was....aggravating

[00:31] <Cheren> well, people did want hardmode outside the town. Eh, it'll be something for the GMs to use and teset out.

[00:32] <Spark_Chaser> Well, redlight, I see your point. If we had this as an optional ruleset for those GM's that want to use it, it could be there.

[00:32] <Spark_Chaser> On the otherhand...

[00:32] <Spark_Chaser> This is survival.

[00:32] <Spark_Chaser> And it's clopping cold out there.

[00:32] <Rain_Drop> ^

[00:33] <Redlight> eh, no one gave a hoot about survival since the golden ages

[00:33] <Spark_Chaser> <RPed near death from exposure a little over a month ago.

[00:33] <Redlight> i bet you'll have a problem in having players agree with using these rules unless you force em on your own quests

[00:33] <Rain_Drop> in either case what do we have so faar that we like and would like to use provided we went ahead with the whole cold thing

[00:34] <Cheren> If there's a way to setup and retrieve the temps to place them in the google doc, then it would be easy to maintain, but I don't know if parsing xml is even capable or how to inside of it.

[00:34] <Spark_Chaser> It would have to be a daily thing, and that may be too much effort for a ruleset. If we made it optional, and made it where the GM has to go retrieve the temp, it could work.

[00:35] <Phoenix_Down> again... wanted to do this because I wanted muh frozen north quest to be based more around the cold then "go somewhere and fight something"

[00:35] <Spark_Chaser> Which would mean that you would take the option to put it in your quest.

[00:36] <Rain_Drop> mainly that we have 4 or 5 tiers of hypothermia that is used from -15 for the beginning of rollings of how many rounds must go before you do a cold check at which point modifiers are added in mainly of the wind and rain types affect wherther or not they descend further into hypothermia at which point they use their own clothes to combat those modifiers to stay warm basing it off the

[00:36] <Rain_Drop> weather of winnipeg and putting it to the main doc on the daily journal thing right?

[00:37] <Rain_Drop> also i like the idea of the weather thing being the temporary rule set that could be used by the gmas a tool to use not for casual RP day to day thing but for th epnp sessions outside of town since usually most folks tend to go  really fast from point a to point b in town when its cold

[00:37] <Cheren> hm, I see your point. Most don't want to deal with more rules, red. weather is in a new tab in ikea's numbers' spreadsheets, rain.

[00:37] <Spark_Chaser> Whoah. Sweet.

[00:37] <Spark_Chaser> Didn't see that.

[00:38] <Redlight> doubt everyone knows about ikea's numbers. heck I don't look at em since i don't wanna keep track of that shit myself

[00:38] <Cheren> has to be updated manually for everything but dates

[00:38] <Spark_Chaser> So, yeah. We could bring that up in the eval for someone's quest: Do you plan for weather to be a part of this, considering where you're going?

[00:38] <Phoenix_Down> kay

[00:39] <Spark_Chaser> That way, they have to think, do I want to use the Temp Resist Ruleset?

[00:39] <Phoenix_Down> m'kay... should we put it in the thread?

[00:39] <Spark_Chaser> For a straight action, they may not. For an explore or SOL, they may.

[00:39] <Cheren> so someone to post the highs and lows daily in thread then

[00:39] <Rain_Drop> then wecan  make it as a optional link thing in the main topic op or have a post in the threD osme where the others can see it

[00:40] <Cheren> >people clicking on links in the OP.

[00:40] <Rain_Drop> huh tried the touch screen thing not bad typing

[00:40] <Cheren> plz rain, some have to be spoonfed.

[00:40] <Spark_Chaser> Yeah. We also need to collect the existing rulesets in a more easy-to-browse format.

[00:41] <Spark_Chaser> I know there's some pastebins, but it could do with better formatting.

[00:41] <Rain_Drop> hmm true coould take the character sheet that is given on Ikeas numbers and put the information fo the 4s ther below it for consideration

[00:41] <Rain_Drop> [Sense of Lorebooking intensifies]

[00:41] <Redlight> Yes on the spoonfeeding

[00:42] <Redlight> the rules and where to find them have become so ridiculously convoluted

[00:42] <Spark_Chaser> As well as some bits of the SSS that didn't make it into the doc for 4S.

[00:42] <Redlight> there is a problem when everytime I want to use 4S i have to get someone else to post it for me

[00:42] <Cheren> RPG Rulebook: http://derpy.me/qnxhk again spoonfed

[00:42] <Spark_Chaser> So, we'll propose a measure to create a 4S Player's Manual. Link it in all the docs.

[00:43] <Cheren> it's moved from OP to linkboard

[00:45] <Cheren> but a searchable document with everything in it might be easier

[00:45] <Spark_Chaser> Yes.

[00:46] <Spark_Chaser> So, first, we'll put together a rudimentary ruleset for Temp Resist, put it forward for General Discussion, or just up for more MC discussion?

[00:46] <Rain_Drop> so copy pasta all the stuff  from all those links and do what we did with the lorebook doc then?

[00:47] <Redlight> linkboard? that's bacon's doc rigth?

[00:47] <Rain_Drop> Also general discussion in the thread? Sounds like cool idea to me

[00:47] <Cheren> no, the linkboard in the thread, red

[00:47] <Cheren> discuss in thread yes

[00:48] <Redlight> oh..i call that the OP

[00:48] <Redlight> very nice

[00:50] <Rain_Drop> btw since i have been moving back and forth tween this and my internet browser which is being a pain in the aASS about staying up while i chat on the mIRC how do i get it to stop doing that?

[00:50] <Cheren> drag the windows, one on each side of the screen, so you can see both at hte same time?

[00:51] <Redlight> why have both up on the same time?

[00:53] <Rain_Drop> well i can do that but then its like super cramped as the windows themselves wont resize to fite for some reason

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[00:53] <Cheren> usually when I'm looking up stuff, red.

[00:59] <Phoenix_Down> so.. further discussion and work needed on the cold system? or can I test it with a quick little adventure sometime?

[01:00] <Spark_Chaser> I'm writing it up to have general discussion. What does everyone say about Phoe doing a test run of it?

[01:00] <Phoenix_Down> well I dunt have one ready Sparky

[01:02] <Spark_Chaser> I'll post up the ruleset as discussed in a mo. I'm asking if everyone is okay with you building an adventure to bring forward for approval using this system, even if we don't have general discussion done yet.

[01:04] <Rain_Drop> Id be fine with it

[01:05] <Rain_Drop> Plus we can try a test system of it and all much like i tried to do with potions which i endded to bring up with you all at alater date when we not all tired most likely as it just turned midnight

[01:05] <Rain_Drop> here

[01:07] <Cheren> Yeah, it running a couple games with it would help iron out whatever bugs would do so

[01:07] <Phoenix_Down> :3

[01:08] <Rain_Drop> Mm works for me can i get link to thread please?

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[01:11] <Spark_Chaser> Okay, first, I'll post here what I've got for review to make sure I got it all right.

[01:11] <Cheren> http://boards.4chan.org/mlp/res/15311612

[01:12] <Spark_Chaser> So, we've been discussing with Phoenix Down an optional ruleset for extreme weather resistance. This is important for our little, northern hamlet, as it will help to make the effects of our latitude feel more real. Note, this is an optional ruleset. If you feel that your quest does not have need to put weather in as a consideration, you don't have to use it. Exploration and Slice of Life quests would likely benefit from this ruleset.

[01:12] <Spark_Chaser> Ponies can survive without consequence at up to -15 degrees Celsius. When you reach this marker, and descend below it in temperature, players will begin to feel the effects of the cold. Players must make Temperature Resistance Checks periodically to prevent hypothermia from worsening. The distance in time is measured in actions, and reduces based on weather conditions. The GM will make a roll based off the temperature, and take into account modifiers based off weather

[01:12] <Spark_Chaser> Yikes. That gonna cut off.

[01:12] <Spark_Chaser> I'll just make a pastebin.

[01:13] <Spark_Chaser> http://pastebin.com/JP8yHPRH

[01:15] <Phoenix_Down> looks good Sparky

[01:16] <Rain_Drop> reading one sec but i am liking what i see so far due to how professional you make i tseem

[01:16] <Spark_Chaser> Should I Include the log?

[01:16] <Rain_Drop> like seriously your the ms harshwhinny of 4c

[01:17] <Rain_Drop> one thing

[01:17] <Rain_Drop> stiff coat and fluffy coat

[01:17] <Rain_Drop> how do they determine how that is gained ?

[01:17] <Rain_Drop> Time  or whenever we move from auturmn to winter when we get said coats?

[01:17] <Spark_Chaser> That's like, a jacket.

[01:17] <Spark_Chaser> I'll specify that.

[01:19] <Phoenix_Down> and what about weather gear like the ponchos rain made for everyone out of tent material to resist rain

[01:20] <Spark_Chaser> Stiff jacket.

[01:20] <Spark_Chaser> They're equal, actually.

[01:20] <Rain_Drop> ah i was thinking of it being like Moonies levels of clothing light, medium and heavy

[01:20] <Spark_Chaser> That's good.

[01:20] <Spark_Chaser> I'll change to that.

[01:21] <Rain_Drop> but i think i get what you meany with stiff fluffy and cold weather gear as stiff coat...ah ok then cuz I have it in my head that pnochos is code word for everyones winter gear pending on what profession they work at

[01:22] <Cheren> Heavy weather gear would only be usually only for the lumberjacks and miners to share.

[01:22] <Spark_Chaser> A rain poncho is more stiff, designed to keep out the rain, but not stop the cold. Cold weather gear like Heavy clothes would stop both.

[01:22] <Spark_Chaser> So, Cheren, you think there should be a fourth level?

[01:23] <Spark_Chaser> Light, Medium, Heavy, Cold Weather?

[01:23] <Spark_Chaser> Cold Weather being +8?

[01:23] <Cheren> Nah, just a straight +2 bonus, considering it's meant to go over the rest, if I recall correctly.

[01:24] <Spark_Chaser> Okay.

[01:24] <Spark_Chaser> Armor! If they're wearing metal armor, they'll freeze faster, right?

[01:25] <Rain_Drop> that would work as it could be like a tradeable item right or something to that effect heheh its kinda nice to have stuff down and worked out

[01:25] <Spark_Chaser> While leather armor is Medium clothing.

[01:25] <Rain_Drop> ...true if they had nothing between them and fur

[01:25] <Rain_Drop> since padding and all is supposed to be there to stop chinks and the like

[01:25] <Spark_Chaser> Yeah. So Armor is considered Heavy Clothing?

[01:26] <Cheren> We BattleTech MaximumTech rules now. yes, the metal. And hm. It all depends on how much it's insulated. My leather armour recieved an upgrade in warmth, so there is that, too.

[01:27] <Spark_Chaser> Leather Armor as Medium Clothing. Metal Armor with Padding as Heavy Clothing, Metal Armor without padding is a -2.

[01:27] <Spark_Chaser> Since that steel be cold.

[01:27] <Rain_Drop> for  now lets keep it simple...well in that case that works out to i think

[01:28] <Rain_Drop> true