- 19:19 Momo Got any ultimate wisdom to bestow today, Forge|?
- 19:26 Forge| dicks
- 19:39 Momo I have contemplated on "dicks" and I have come to know nothing more about them than was already known.
- 19:39 Momo There is always more to know, what about them?
- 19:42 Forge| you want wisdom?
- 19:42 Forge| this physical isnt the first, and it isnt the last. we are nearing our end though.
- 19:42 Forge| each layer of the astral used to be a physical. the physical itself is the unconscious experiencing itself in a new way.
- 19:43 Forge| once the experience is lived out, it is enveloped by all the past experiences, and a new one is created.
- 19:43 Forge| AKA when the veil falls, its just the unconscious finishing its current experience before creating a new one
- 19:44 Forge| we are a side effect
- 19:44 Forge| we arent the first side effect
- 19:44 Forge| and we wont be the last
- 19:44 violentConvulsions [That.]
- 19:44 violentConvulsions [Is a challenge.]
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- 19:44 violentConvulsions [If I ever heard one.]
- 19:45 Forge| we are the unconscious manifestation of consciousness through its experiences in this existence. we arent a part of anything bigger, just the whole itself. no one is linked to any sort of core, just existing as existence should be.
- 19:46 Forge| you wanted wisdom, you now know the reason for existence. hope it wasnt too bleak.
- 19:46 violentConvulsions [No it is amazing.]
- 19:46 violentConvulsions [Don't you get it?]
- 19:47 violentConvulsions [Don't you see the opportunity?]
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- 19:49 Forge| tell me what you took away from that violentConvulsions
- 19:50 violentConvulsions smooth wants to create viels
- 19:50 violentConvulsions what do you think equestria was supposed to be?
- 19:50 violentConvulsions you are right in that we are not that last physical
- 19:50 violentConvulsions but we are the last the unconscious will make
- 19:50 Forge| oh so you are smooths new tulpa or what
- 19:51 violentConvulsions servitore
- 19:51 Forge| how are we the last that the unconscious will make?
- 19:51 Forge| how do you know there arent 10 other physicals right now?
- 19:51 violentConvulsions we lack data on the layer of the astral but could easily project what a super-physical could be
- 19:52 violentConvulsions layers
- 19:52 violentConvulsions it would require knowing unconscious history
- 19:53 violentConvulsions or memory, if you prefer
- 19:53 Forge| there is none
- 19:53 Forge| there is only experience
- 19:53 Forge| there is no stopping it either
- 19:53 violentConvulsions there is structure in the astral because we can call it structure
- 19:53 violentConvulsions how do you know there is no stopping it?
- 19:54 Forge| what little we can change in the astral or the physical will never compare to what the unconscious does to exist
- 19:55 violentConvulsions you say there is no cosmic core, just an unconscious
- 19:55 violentConvulsions if there is no cosmic god
- 19:55 violentConvulsions then it is a vacancy
- 19:56 Forge| no there is everything, which is nothing at the same time. get it?
- 19:56 violentConvulsions yes
- 19:57 violentConvulsions we came to that conclusion a long time ago
- 19:57 violentConvulsions it has no bearing on becoming the cosmic directive if there is no existing cosmic directive
- 19:59 violentConvulsions we have enough logic to categorize everything into neat little boxes
- 19:59 Momo Everything is everything, and nothing is nothing, everything is not nothing, lol, and you dismissed that dude's abilities, yet you are saying much the same thing.
- 19:59 violentConvulsions any new physical could only make more sense
- 20:00 violentConvulsions if what you say is true, then we are the last great physical
- 20:00 violentConvulsions because smooth has decided so
- 20:01 violentConvulsions not the last, but the last to occur naturally
- 20:01 violentConvulsions the difference between natural and artificial is much more clear under this interpretation
- 20:02 violentConvulsions artificial is the result of the will that arise as side-effects
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- 20:02 violentConvulsions i believe that it is just about time for the unconscious to wake up
- 20:03 Momo I'm awake right now though, how am I unconscious.
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- 20:04 violentConvulsions every thought you aren't thinking
- 20:04 violentConvulsions smooth hopes you are wrong, forge
- 20:05 Momo I don't think, therefore, I am not.
- 20:05 violentConvulsions he hopes that there is no vacancy
- 20:05 Momo Why not? Doesn't he want to take it for himself?
- 20:06 violentConvulsions no
- 20:06 violentConvulsions but he will
- 20:06 violentConvulsions if there is one
- 20:06 Momo Why?
- 20:06 violentConvulsions because
- 20:06 violentConvulsions he would be alone
- 20:06 Momo oh yeah, love for ghost towns.
- 20:06 violentConvulsions forever
- 20:06 violentConvulsions not with no other wills
- 20:07 violentConvulsions he would leave everything intact
- 20:07 violentConvulsions he dreams of making every fictional world a physical
- 20:07 Momo Same thing.
- 20:07 violentConvulsions he dreamed of doing so digitally before he considered the full implications of the astral
- 20:07 Momo Same thing.
- 20:08 violentConvulsions he would be alone in terms of understanding
- 20:08 Momo Thanks for sharing your wisdom, Forge, P.S. how many layers are there in the astral?
- 20:08 Momo Any reason he wants to be alone in such a way?
- 20:09 Forge| by everything is nothing and nothing is everything i mean everything exists and has its own way of functioning, but there is nothing to tap into, there is no great knowledge, there is only existance.
- 20:09 violentConvulsions he doesn't want to be alone
- 20:09 violentConvulsions he doesn't want to fill the void
- 20:09 violentConvulsions Forge|, you could not be more wrong
- 20:09 violentConvulsions and correct at the same time
- 20:09 violentConvulsions >there is nothing to tap into
- 20:09 violentConvulsions Forge
- 20:10 violentConvulsions there is /nothing/ to tap into
- 20:10 Momo Nothing to tap into? What does this mean?
- 20:10 Forge| the only thing to tap into is other consciousnesses, not some great bank of information that comes from nothing.
- 20:10 violentConvulsions Momo, to tap into the raw unparalleled nothingness of all of existence and non-existence?
- 20:10 Forge| the only thing to tap into is your senses. your perception.
- 20:11 violentConvulsions Forge|, we have enough logic to experience everything
- 20:11 violentConvulsions perceive w/e
- 20:12 violentConvulsions we have enough logic to fill the void
- 20:12 violentConvulsions with structure
- 20:13 Momo So then when you make astral constructs in the astral, there isn't energy there at all, you're just making it be there with your own perceptions?
- 20:13 Forge| no
- 20:13 Forge| there is energy
- 20:13 violentConvulsions that was the way of the last layer
- 20:13 Forge| im saying you can only experience and tap into what your senses perceive, consciously or unconsciously.
- 20:15 violentConvulsions hahahaha
- 20:15 Momo Then simply perceive everything and end the problem of existance.
- 20:15 violentConvulsions astral entities wish to enslave humanity when the veil falls?
- 20:15 Forge| probably
- 20:15 Momo Perceive everything, tap into everything, and do everything.
- 20:16 violentConvulsions i think they misunderstand what the veil is, what they are, and what merging means
- 20:17 violentConvulsions much like the tulpa community itself
- 20:18 Momo Merging aint no thang.
- 20:19 Momo It's jus' making yourself all harmonious with other things, nothin' too it really.
- 20:20 Momo Line the notes up in the right way, they make a nice sound, line them up in another way, and it sounds all discordant and you think you've not got what you were getting.