Shields, Seals, and You! - Class Log

Seals, Shields, and You!

 

Log from #Classroom on Sunday, March 3, 2013 at 8PM EST: “Seals, Shields, and You!”, hosted by Forge:

[20:03] welcome to Seals, Shields, and You!

[20:04] Little_Dragon1, I mean I am not really here to participate, just watch. Thats what the “if it matters” was to

[20:04] this is going to be a class on barriers, how to create them, the different kinds, and how to get around them

[20:04] why are you teaching us how to get around them?

[20:04] sounds naughty.

[20:05] Every man has to know how to penetrate barriers and get to the sweet spot of a target.

[20:05] if someone/thing has you sealed it would be good to know how to break it

[20:05] Sometimes psions are attacked by ethereal beings; it’d help wiuth convincing said being not to goa round atatcking.

[20:05] ok, that sounded unintentionally naughty

[20:06] Little_Dragon1: Okay, smartie, why are being taught how to target people?

[20:06] Agreed. Such beings normally go after those who lack defensive knowledge and mechanisms/.

[20:06] that too

[20:06] forge: Oh, break seals around yourself?

[20:06] first we can start with a simple definition. seals are designed to inhibit flows of energy from inside of its designated area to outside of its designated area

[20:06] and one can bypass shields without penetrating them, if I am not mistaken.

[20:07] it’s the same reason that the school bully generally stays awy from the star football player

[20:07] where shields are designed to inhibit flows of energy from outside of its designated area to inside

[20:07] Has anyone ever been sealed in?

[20:07] i have

[20:07] It seems people who practice psi are the ones targeted

[20:07] I’ve had beings try to seal me; it lasted maybe three seconds before I shattered it.

[20:08] DragonAtma: Wereyou out in astral or something?

[20:08] student: others get targetted too, but because they don’t practice psi, they don’t notice it

[20:08] no, it was a random troublemaker

[20:08] DragonAtma: They aren’t affected either I guess?

[20:08] they are, they just don’t realize it

[20:08] Okay, what happens to them?

[20:08] they usually feel the effect of “i feel really shitty today and i dont know why”

[20:08] oh

[20:09] What’s the purpose of that seal?

[20:09] many of them never take up psionics; others eventually do, and are hampered because of the seal and such

[20:09] or are the effects what the purpose was?

[20:09] or in some cases suffer extreme misfortunes and find that people generally are more hostile than normal toward them…not all attacks are focused entirely on the person.

[20:09] Mmm maybe I’m sealed then

[20:09] xD

[20:09] T-T

[20:09] Only online, anyway

[20:10] Some seals can be so powerful they actually inhibit the mind’s functionality.

[20:10] yes\

[20:10] or so well programmed.

[20:10] bitchesb8in… but there are always people who say they don’t get what’s so bad about me

[20:10] h8in*

[20:10] xD

[20:11] and many do not realize it but people often seal themselves. When you doubt things your subconscious does try to prove you are not crazy by manifesting what you expect.

[20:12] mm?

[20:12] this is true. its pretty close to a theory called the thoughtform theory

[20:12] well, there’s also other effects such as obsession which can occur over time

[20:13] the more you believe something is true, the more you subconsciously put energy and intent into that idea, thus making it happen eventually

[20:13] which is when an entity messes with one’s emotional energy

[20:13] in order to cause them to act differently

[20:14] I wish that worked better for me T-T

[20:14] lets get back to the main topic though

[20:14] Yeah, back to shields and seals

[20:14] uhm, shields and seals are thoughtforms as well, correct?

[20:14] one thing that should be noted is that it’s not always entities, though it’s rare, sometimes other psions can take unfair advantage of their abilities

[20:14] i planned on starting with shields, but it wont be your average overdone bubble-shield and marshmallow shield class that you have probably heard 100 times already

[20:15] It’s my own belief you’re unlikely to encounter such however

[20:15] Sometimes a person can just be vulnerable to a particular energy and being in an area with too much of that energy can affect him.

[20:15] yay classtime

[20:15] shields can be programmed just like any other construct, this includes being attached to an object, either energetic or physical in nature, or being pre-programmed into an object as well

[20:15] And some entities try to get your attention and accidentally cause damage in the process without intending to.

[20:16] back to the topic though, dragon

[20:16] that second one is a little different than how it sounds, being activated once a trigger has been fufilled

[20:16] shields can also do more than just slow down or deflect the energy that someone is using to attack with

[20:17] and can vary as much as the attacks you might be getting hit with as well

[20:17] one of my favorite shields is one that is programmed with the intent to shred any energy that comes into contact with it

[20:18] so it not only blocks attacks, but shreds them

[20:18] this can be combined with another shield that drains anything it touches to fuel both shields

[20:18] How about sentient shields that can learn from the attacker and therefore adapt to attacks thereby in theory requiring little further programming?

[20:18] o.O

[20:19] >_> the class just started Little_Dragon1

[20:19] I know, just curious about that type as well.

[20:20] welcome Midnight-Kiss

[20:20] okay so how you make seal

[20:20] Hello forge

[20:20] are you here for class?

[20:20] patience guys he is going to get there

[20:20] I suppose so~

[20:20] * forge sets mode: +v Midnight-Kiss

[20:21] but yeah, shields can vary, and dont necessarily have to be defensive in nature.

[20:21] LOL ld

[20:22] other types of shields can also include tracking systems, that track the energy of an attacker

[20:22] I can make a fairly basic barrier, not sure about shields though.

[20:22] I can’t make anything ^^

[20:22] most of these shields can be created through the same process of creating a bubble shield, but with additional programming and adaptation to the intent you want the shield to have

[20:22] if someone would practice with me…

[20:23] there will be practice after the class

[20:23] And filters, used when using your senses to block out or reduce things that would affect your senses negatively or used by empaths to prevent being affected too much by others.

[20:23] that is another non defensive application.

[20:24] thats it for additions to standard shields, it was mainly a public service announcement to not do the same bland shielding over and over when you can do some fun stuff that offers a lot more flexibility

[20:24] * zacherys just had an idea

[20:24] share it

[20:24] mmhmm

[20:24] IIRC my shield type is sued by exactly one being, including msyelf.

[20:25] used?

[20:25] …but I’ve always been a bit weird.

[20:25] mmhmm

[20:25] Perhaps one can make a construct to augment scaning by acting as a complex filter

[20:26] the next part of the shielding lesson is using constructs for shielding purposes

[20:26] * forge sets mode: +v zacherys

[20:27] shields also dont have to be limited to yourself

[20:27] you can program constructs to have specific shielding attributes

[20:27] such as 4 balls that create a shield between one another wherever they are placed

[20:28] Heh

[20:28] uhm, those balls would have to be able to maintain and duplicate themselves and each other when needed if one is targeted during an attack.

[20:28] huh

[20:28] an application such as that can be used to create a wall of burning energy to keep something out while you fix yourself up, as it doesnt feed off of your system and can be flexible in size and positioning

[20:28] * zacherys walks around that shield qland blasts forge

[20:29] Why would they not simply also be protected by the shield

[20:29] that they are creating, LD

[20:29] that was the point Traveller

[20:29] apparently that wasnt clear >_>

[20:29] true, but what if something bypasses the shield and attacks the balls directly?

[20:30] If thats the case, why wouldnt they just attack you, dragon?

[20:30] then there’s really no point to the balls, since they’re only there to maintain the shield

[20:30] Who says the balls are not shielded separately

[20:30] And therefore aren’t worth protecting, if they can’t create a shield that isn’t bypassable

[20:30] guys its an example lol

[20:30] and you’re over-analyzing

[20:30] you can make this pretty neat and complex, and i like how you are thinking about it

[20:30] it’s a mere ex-beat to the punch by the teacher

[20:30] But your example sucks so we are making it better

[20:30] keep it in mind for practice

[20:31] but it was just to show you a theory as to how it would work

[20:31] And we are f8gureing out how it’ll work

[20:31] multifunction constructs with built in shielding is also very useful as well

[20:31] Hehe

[20:31] don’t worry, I’m sure forge will show you some suitable examples.

[20:31] Little_Dragon1: What would happen if someone attacked the balls?

[20:32] how about an ever expanding set of balls that keep increasing in number and themselves form a barrier while filling in any gaps that are made?

[20:32] what are they expanding with

[20:32] settle down peoples

[20:32] Energy obviously

[20:32] You settle down

[20:32] you guys have some pretty good ideas though

[20:32] ok, let’s let forge continue :3

[20:32] so i cant wait for practice

[20:33] forge, can you do stuffs in practice now?

[20:33] You said you couldn’t :(

[20:33] we are goign to cover all of the topics first

[20:33] ik

[20:33] question: a shield using your energy vs the shield using outside sources of energy: what are the pros and cons?

[20:34] you will be more familiar with your energy

[20:34] thus you can work it better

[20:34] outside energy will give you decent cover from tracking

[20:34] but may not be suitable for shielding

[20:35] Id imagine a shield using outside energy being slightly harder to control as well.

[20:35] now that we have some different ideas for shields out there, we can either go on to sealing or do a little brainstorming

[20:35] Of course there is always increasing the energy in your system to the point where attacks bounce off…

[20:35] its up to you guys

[20:36] sealing time forge

[20:36] because i was really enjoying the brainstorming you guys were having about the ball theory

[20:37] well, that is an interesting idea, Zach, and I’ve actually used something that works to that extent, but it would require there to be a gap between the amount of energy in the attack and the amount in the defense

[20:37] I could see that being useful against smaller or more rapid attacks, but less so against a concentrated amount of energy

[20:38] Agreed Traveller

[20:38] Or an attack designed to pierce defenses.

[20:38] Though if your dealing with a pest you pissed off…

[20:38] brb, bathroom while you guys brainstorm

[20:39] agreed, but I think we’re here more to worry about something more challenging…

[20:39] braiunstorming is good!

[20:39] * zacherys has to deal with inconveniences more than challenges

[20:39] I realize an ever increasing number of constructs would only be effective to a certain point if one is using his own energy unless one can keep increasing output accordingly.

[20:39] * DragonAtma will upgrade his shields aftre this class, so ideas are useful.

[20:40] true, but I’m certain you’re already quite capable of handling inconveniences

[20:40] * Little_Dragon1 is already using some ideas to upgrade his shields

[20:40] Funny I was thinkg the same thing atma

[20:40] Wel, if it draws on ambient

[20:40] it’s intaking energy, which as a result makes it vulnerable to being filled with energy maliciously

[20:41] yep

[20:41] if the balls are going to pile up

[20:41] Someone might add a bit of programming to the ambient it’s intaking, for instance

[20:41] why not make them form an energetic system

[20:41] to fuel themselves

[20:41] Exactly

[20:41] “Filled with energy maliciously” ROTFLMFAO

[20:41] if you can multiply the balls so easily, why not just make a sheld out of the balls themselves :P

[20:41] ok, what would you suggest for a shield that increases energy more than consuming it?

[20:42] Filled with malicious energy*

[20:42] zacherys: that is actually a problem with having constructs that run on ambient energy

[20:42] its rather simple to feed it “bad energy”

[20:42] I know.

[20:43] so internalized energy systems with constructs is a good thing, at least in my opinion

[20:43] I think he was more chortling at my horrible choice of descriptory words than the thing described

[20:43] Exactly

[20:43] it was just an idea that popped in my head when he said that

[20:43] but yes, this is actually the reason I rarely use ambient

[20:43] and i was pointing out that he gave me the idea

[20:43] I think it’d be easy to ‘hack’ a construct running on external energy as well.

[20:43] Though not horrible but rather highly amuseing

[20:43] indeed

[20:43] programming can be hidden in energy, to my limited knowledge

[20:44] I suppose a scanning later for shields is required to make them able to adapt to attackers.

[20:44] but the scanning layer could be messed with if detected.

[20:44] there are also shields that can be used exclusively for retaliation as well that can be used in combination with other shields

[20:44] Scanning layer’s are a possibility, but I’d rather rely on my own sensing for adaptation

[20:45] since it’s harder to mess with

[20:45] If I personally would make a construct run off of ambient energy I would spend a lot more time setting up filters and working out ways that it absorbed the energy without it being to noticiable

[20:45] First strike is the preferred strategy

[20:45] one example would be using the shredding shield to dispatch an attack, a shield designed to track the attack back, and a shield designed to follow the energy lines back to the attacker with harpoons of energy

[20:45] using shields that synergise well will give good results

[20:46] The best idea ive come up with is to make it run off of the same stuf you do

[20:46] so, would this shield send the energy back in its current amount or store a certain amount before sending it back?

[20:46] Havent quite got that figured oyt yet though

[20:46] that depends on how you want to program it

[20:46] that is just another example

[20:47] how about making the shield absorb and use the energies after they are shredded for maintaining itself?

[20:47] that is a possibility

[20:47] hmm, I just thought of making multiple segmented shields that act kind of like ‘pong’ paddles. bouncing off the attack and sending it back at the attacker either with increased speed or power.

[20:48] that shield system is actually one i used to use a while back, it was a good example

[20:48] Same forge

[20:48] forge: What’d you use it for?

[20:48] We should have a story time room too

[20:48] but where is the increased speed/power coming from, midnight

[20:48] shielding

[20:48] would you add your energy to it, or the shield’s

[20:48] pong paddles? uhm, couldn’t the attack just go around them?

[20:48] forge: That’s not very specific… is it a private incident?

[20:48] from the shielding traveller.

[20:48] you’re looking at it literally, LD

[20:48] i used it for maybe 4 months

[20:48] it was just a shield system

[20:48] dragon, the paddles would move to intercept the attack.

[20:49] Oh, in general, forge?

[20:49] she was speaking of the mechanism rather than the application, I do believe

[20:49] not because an attacker?

[20:49] …

[20:49] and how would they handle multiple attacks that outnumber the number of paddles?

[20:49] they could always shift in space

[20:49] Student alot of us walk around heavily shielded

[20:49] it’s not as though one paddle only has to bounce back one thing either

[20:50] simple, create more paddles :P

[20:50] The more attacks are used

[20:50] I say segmented, because focused areas are usually better for deflecting attacks than a full shield.

[20:50] Hehe

[20:51] ah, ok

[20:51] Agreed midnight

[20:52] should we move on to seals?

[20:52] aye

[20:52] I would enjoy doing so

[20:52] that may be best

[20:52] seals are usually much more offensive in nature than shields

[20:52] yes

[20:52] I know little of seals beyond the inverted shield

[20:52] they are programmed similarly though

[20:52] one example as Traveller stated is the inverted shield

[20:53] others include things like blocks and siphons

[20:53] same here except for causing massive amounts of energy build up

[20:53] one that was used in our last FFA was chakra blocks and mirror seals

[20:54] chakra blocks either inhibit the flow of energy or stop it completely in a chakra or other important part of an energetic structure, such as the meridians

[20:55] a mirrior seal is an encompassing seal that has a reflective inside, designed to reflect attacks back at the person inside

[20:56] other seals can be used for different purposes, such as slowing the natural flow of energy in a location, this would inhibit any feeding on ambient energy

[20:56] they can also be used with constructs as the shield was, 4 balls that seal something inside of the perimeter, and shield outside of the perimeter

[20:58] any questions?

[20:59] Ayes, along these lines

[20:59] if this is the case, would a

[20:59] cloaking seal be possible

[20:59] howso

[20:59] that is, something that blocks the person from sensing any outside data

[21:00] yes

[21:00] in a similar manner as to how one creates a shield to cloak themselves

[21:00] seals usually would do that simply because they inhibit the flow of energy form inside to outside

[21:00] hmmm…could you elaborate a bit more on cloaking?

[21:02] 4) Cloaking shield. As with all constructs, shields can do whatever you can psionically. If you?re competent with telepathic projection, you can program a shield to send this same message out. So you could program it to ?suggest? you?re not there, or that you?re a really uninteresting object. I?ll let you come up with ideas for it?s usage.

[21:02] http://psionguild.org/education/articles/defense-combat/elementary-psionic-shielding/

[21:02] from that article

[21:05] seals can be large to encapsulate an area or small, like sealing someones foot to trip them up

[21:06] any questions/comments/brainstorms?

[21:06] or can we move on to breaking shields and seals

[21:06] Not at the moment,

[21:06] I’m not really thinking easily on the seals

[21:06] For some reason, just feeling a bit less creative on that front

[21:06] uhm, you seem to not touch upon the fact that not all shields are made entirely of energy and there are things besides energy that can affect them.

[21:08] you can elaborate on that Little_Dragon1

[21:09] well, mental projections are not entirely energy based, and there are those who do things with intent alone.

[21:10] which still is effected through energy

[21:10] Plus there is the fact that you have to have full faith in your defenses for them to work since your mind is the thing that can make or break you in a situation where the defenses are tested.

[21:10] I’d disagree on the first point, to be honest… They’re not entirely energy based, but the energy’s still there and how it’s affecting things.

[21:10] as for the second, that’s a bit basic to be covering.

[21:11] i know, just thought that should be mentioned either way.

[21:11] the point of this lesson is to inspire creativity and to branch out with shielding and seals

[21:12] the basics can be found in hundreds of articles already, including the old logs of old classes on the PI website

[21:13] now breaking shields and seals

[21:13] this is very intent driven

[21:13] even moreso than shielding and sealing in the first place

[21:14] it also requires a good amount of creativity in the first place as well

[21:14] one example of an easy shield to break is the bubble shield

[21:14] a very focused attack on a single small location with a lot of energetic force will usually break them

[21:15] but that is completely useless against the typical marshmallow shield

[21:15] which are better suited to being taken out by covering it in energy that strips will from the surrounding energy, it will act as an acid and slowly eat the shield away

[21:16] these are just examples of course

[21:17] the method will drastically change depending on the shield you are up against, but these being two common and easy shields, those are the workarounds for them

[21:17] testing how to break a certain kind of shield will also let you know how to strengthen it

[21:18] such as programming a test dummy to produce the shield and you attempting to break it

[21:18] any questions about breaking shields?

[21:19] no, but I can think of another method

[21:19] If a shield isn’t prepared for it, you can simply drain the shield’s energy until it collapses.

[21:19] and what about bypassing the shield entirely?

[21:20] that too, althoguh some shields are betetr prepared for it than others.

[21:20] or matching energies with the shield in an attack consisting of the shield’s energy surrounded by the actual attack?

[21:20] bypassing shields is a little more advanced than what i had in mind for this lesson

[21:20] surrounding the actual attack*

[21:20] but it is entirely possible

[21:21] IS PRACTICE TIME???

[21:21] AM I LATE?

[21:21] no

[21:21] we still have breaking seals and then its practice time

[21:21] ok :3

[21:21] but breaking seals is the same as breaking shields but from the inside

[21:21] cool, I would like to discuss how to bypass a shield with you later, I could use some advice on that.

[21:21] or if you have help, breaking seals from the outside is usually pretty easy

[21:21] no problem Little_Dragon1

[21:21] any questions on breaking shields and seals

[21:24] ok, so what is the best way to break a seal if you lack the energy to do so due to the seal cutting you off from it?

[21:24] lets do practice here

[21:24] im going to ping those in the class, those who dont want to practice i can devoice

[21:24] I am guessing having a construct for just that purpose could be useful?

[21:24] mmhmm

[21:24] DragonAtma: forge Little_Dragon1 Student Aerys Clovers GH Midnight-Kiss Traveller zacherys

[21:25] Practice is always good.

[21:25] hmm?

[21:25] hmm?

[21:25] F you

[21:25] fortunately, my cold is going away; if anyone wants me to create shields for them to practcie on, elt me know (and what type and level… unelss youw ant em to decide)

[21:25] hmm forge?

[21:25] I’m here

[21:25] if i pinged you and you dont wish to participate in practice please say so now

[21:25] :3

[21:26] Im unsure how to exactly practice, and Ive no experience with attacking, but Im sure I could be a shield for people to practice on

[21:26] * DragonAtma just olunteered to create shields for others, so yes, Atma will be rpacticing ;)

[21:26] well its a practice for shielding

[21:26] I wanna practice my shields since idk how to do any

[21:26] I won’t be practicing

[21:26] * forge sets mode: -v Aerys

[21:27] so yeah, Ill practice my shielding :P

[21:27] hmph.

[21:27] would dronebase be a good tool to use to practice the shields atma?

[21:28] I’d have to program it into dronebase

[21:28] I definitely need the practice, relying mainly on fortitude has proven unreliable.

[21:28] so I’d be manually creating shields.

[21:28] forge,,

[21:28] …*

[21:29] well student, your best bet is to start with basic shields like the bubble shield

[21:29] brb

[21:29] and Little_Dragon1, where would you like to start

[21:29] ad well as you Midnight-Kiss

[21:30] I would rather start with seeing how well I can maintain a shield under pressure.

[21:30] the only shield I really have experience making is a basic celtic ritual shield, aside from whatever shielding sylph has already in place.

[21:31] did you catch the link with basic shields in it earlier Midnight-Kiss

[21:31] wo wherever you think we should start.

[21:31] didnt.

[21:31] so*

[21:31] shouldnt be that hard to do though.

[21:32] I tend to learn by doing anyway~

[21:33] well i would suggest getting a few ideas and trying to build a shield with energy and intent

[21:33] and let me know when you have something going

[21:33] and ill start with Little_Dragon1

[21:33] so fire hard enough to make it hurt a bit, and Ill use the incentive to create a chield that will work.

[21:33] shield*

[21:33] dem typos today e.e

[21:34] I already have something going.

[21:34] okay, going to put some simple drones on midnight until they can fend them off with a shield

[21:34] and ill start with little

[21:35] hopefully sylph will put down her shields for this <.<

[21:39] have they already started?

[21:39] o.O

[21:41] ive started with Little_Dragon1

[21:41] and yes i sent the drones not too long ago

[21:41] ah, Im not feeling anything.

[21:42] even once I put the shield I had, down.

[21:50] I have to run so I’d like to be excluded from the remainder of the practice. Thank you for the lesson, though.

[21:51] alright midnight

[21:51] I’m back, sorry, I know I was gone a while

[21:51] i can help now, i was helping Little_Dragon1

[21:51] okay.

[21:52] After all shields and shield damaging techniques have been practiced, we should set up people in pairs to spar.

[21:52] eh, I dont really do attacks <.<

[21:53] i exclusively spar defensively Midnight-Kiss

[21:53] and in the last free for all i was in the final 2

[21:53] there wasnt a winner

[21:53] Either way, a spar where you do both would still help us to better develop our shields.

[21:53] regardless, forge, if Im being fired upon, Im not feeling it. I dont think sylph deemed it safe enough to disable her shields.

[21:54] i havent started personally yet

[21:54] my drones failed me

[21:55] they did? o.O

[21:55] they are just standing here

[21:56] did you give the order? or are they just not responding?

[21:56] they were just standing here

[21:56] they usually dont need a direct order

[21:56] curious

[21:56] regardless, please, begin.

[21:57] Ive already gotten excited in anticipation.

[21:57] bubble shields

[21:57] well, first Id like to find out if I can feel the attack. then Ill put up said shield

[21:58] there are bubble shields around you now

[21:58] they arent mine.

[21:58] probably sylph’s

[21:58] well there were bubble shields up

[22:00] well, do me a favor then, and test them :P

[22:00] they are gone now

[22:00] Oh, cool.

[22:01] tell me when you’re starting then <.<

[22:02] im not going to damage you directly

[22:02] that isnt the point of this practice

[22:02] * Midnight-Kiss sighs

[22:02] fine.

[22:02] my shield should be up now.

[22:03] pretty well programmed

[22:03] o.O this is just my usual shield.

[22:04] and?

[22:05] nothing wrong with having theusual shield be rpetty well programmed

[22:05] Ive not used it much, if at all. and I made it with only a small metaphysical knowledge base.

[22:08] can I put it down now? starting to get somewhat of a headache.

[22:08] yeah sure

[22:09] i would definately look into some creativity with the programming though

[22:10] of course. it /is/ just a wall of blue/silver fire around me.

[22:10] I did say it was a basic ritual shield if I remember right

[22:11] yeah, it was just constructive criticism