Constructs Anonymous - Training Log

Log from #Training-Grounds on Friday, April 5, 2013 at 9PM EDT: "Constructs Anonymous!", hosted by Forge:

[21:00:50] <Forge> Welcome to "Constructs Anonymous"! we are going to be forming a group tonight, where anyone can give constructive input on anyone elses constructs so we can bounce ideas off of each other and learn from other perspectives.

[21:01:08] <Ephraim> :3

[21:02:54] <Cene> Aww. Not AA?

[21:03:00] <Forge> what would you folks like to start with?

[21:03:09] <Cene> Hmm..

[21:03:14] <Forge> Cene, its AA for constructs!

[21:03:54] <Cene> I know! We can work on the AC in AC

[21:04:23] <Cene> But I guess defence? I'd like to hear what others want though

[21:05:23] <Forge> well from the looks of it its just you and eph, and he went to do laundry

[21:05:38] * Ryunaker tilts hir head.

[21:06:20] <Ryunaker> I'd like to participate, too, actually.

[21:06:54] <Forge> ello Ryunaker

[21:07:03] * Ryunaker waves.

[21:07:12] <AJ> I've been having trouble with energy manipulation recently, but I can try the best I can; no promeses though.

[21:07:29] <Cene> Well, I'm pretty new to it so ditto, AJ.

[21:07:31] <Forge> would you guys like to start with defense? and would you like to start with creation or with giving constructive feedback on others constructs?

[21:08:32] * Purlox might join as well, hard to say

[21:08:48] <Ryunaker> Well, I'm pretty familiar with creation.

[21:08:54] <Ephraim> back

[21:09:18] <Cene> I'd say creation. I haven't really thought of constructs.

[21:09:28] <Cene> But whatever others want. :)

[21:10:03] <AJ> I can try creating.

[21:10:18] <Forge> we will start with creation and work our way up then

[21:10:33] <Ephraim> sounds good

[21:10:37] <Forge> the basic idea behind making a construct is forming an object with energy that has a goal

[21:11:10] <Forge> so the best thing to do for the training is get an idea as to what you want to make, and make it

[21:11:26] <Forge> then we will work on making it better as a group

[21:11:37] <Ephraim> can we use existing ones if we have?

[21:11:47] <Forge> if you like

[21:11:55] <Ephraim> shiny

[21:12:11] <Forge> for this part of the lesson we are only looking to make new ones, once we get to the upgrading part you can use whatever you wish

[21:12:19] <Ephraim> ok

[21:12:26] <Forge> err

[21:12:30] <Forge> training

[21:12:34] <Forge> ive been a teacher too long

[21:12:41] <Ephraim> lol

[21:13:38] <Forge> so AJ, Cene, Purlox

[21:14:27] <Cene> Yup

[21:14:38] * AJ is here

[21:14:44] <Forge> what ideas did you have for a new construct then

[21:14:55] <Cene> I'm not sure. :(

[21:15:04] * Cene tries to think

[21:15:05] <AJ> You said defense, earlier?

[21:15:18] <Forge> its whatever kind of construct you like, cene wanted to do some defensive ones

[21:15:56] <Cene> Only because I'm not sure what ones I'd like. Hmm..

[21:16:04] <Cene> And defence should be good.

[21:16:26] <AJ> I can try making a shield around myself.

[21:16:41] <Forge> that works

[21:16:46] <Ephraim> i'm gonna make one for changing traffic lights :D

[21:17:34] <AJ> Okay, give me a moment.

[21:17:41] <Forge> sounds good

[21:17:43] <Cene> I just have barely ever done practice with constructs before so, hmm.. *thinks*

[21:17:48] <Raziel> I'm gonna make a quickly self-replicating cat. Within mere minutes you shall all be buried under thousands of cats!

[21:18:09] <Forge> maybe cene should make a construct that creates a shield in a radius from the construct

[21:18:21] <Ryunaker> Changing traffic lights would be helpful.  :p

[21:18:42] <Cene> I take the bus, so I never need to worry about that.

[21:18:57] <Forge> yo Raziel

[21:19:00] <Raziel> The bus doesn't stop at traffic lights there?

[21:19:05] <Forge> you wanna join us for construct training?

[21:19:12] <Raziel> Maybeee

[21:19:16] <Cene> Well, the main ones change them so they're on schedule

[21:19:27] <Cene> The minor ones don't, but still.

[21:19:29] * Ephraim gets some poisoned quadrotriticale for the cats

[21:19:34] <Cene> I never have a problem

[21:19:35] <Raziel> Ooh, that's a rather smart system

[21:19:47] <Ephraim> \o

[21:19:48] <Raziel> I usually walk

[21:19:51] <AJ> How's this shield?

[21:19:53] <Raziel> Sooo I just run past cars

[21:20:05] <Raziel> Or in front of cars

[21:20:07] <Raziel> Same thing.

[21:20:12] <Cene> Heheh. The bus is still slower than cars

[21:20:25] <Cene> Since there's no congestion in such a small city normally

[21:20:56] <Cene> A construct that creates a shield in a radius.. hmm

[21:21:08] <Cene> That might be useful, I guess

[21:21:10] <Raziel> No congestion? Sounds like a mythical land of perfection!

[21:21:27] <Ephraim> lol

[21:21:31] <Raziel> So Forge how2train

[21:21:35] <Forge> so back to constructs

[21:21:44] <Forge> Raziel, you can either make a new construct or use an old one

[21:21:51] <Forge> but we are going to be working on improving constructs today

[21:22:05] <Raziel> I probably have some lying around, although with the way I work I can't really be sure if I retrieve them or just create them instantly

[21:22:08] <Forge> with the help  of outside opinions to add to what you may have missed

[21:22:24] <Raziel> Sooo I'll go with whatever option I happen to use with or without knowledge

[21:22:29] <Raziel> XD

[21:23:21] <Raziel> So I make something and you can tell me if it's good? Awesome

[21:23:23] <Raziel> wat2make

[21:23:29] <Forge> thats up to you

[21:23:49] <Cene> I think Raziel knows. :P

[21:24:13] <Forge> in keeping with the theme, ill be adding in four constructs that create a seal on one side and a shield on the other, using the constructs as the corner points

[21:24:32] <Raziel> Sooo the self-replicating cat would be a valid choice?

[21:24:45] * AJ made a shield around him ^^

[21:24:57] <Forge> yeah

[21:24:59] * Ephraim gets some poisoned quadrotriticale for the cats

[21:25:05] <Raziel> D:

[21:25:56] <Raziel> I'm trying to think of something more useful

[21:26:06] <Raziel> But I'm not finding anything.

[21:26:29] <Ephraim> traffic light changer but for you, to troll drivers :D

[21:26:40] <Ephraim> or keep the walk thingy on for ya

[21:28:30] <Ephraim> ok, i think i got mine made :D

[21:29:20] <Cene> I'm not sure what mine would be useful for.

[21:29:33] <Ephraim> protection obviously

[21:30:06] <Forge> cene, its a mobile shield, you could give it to someone, or you could leave it somewhere to protect an area

[21:30:07] <Raziel> Simulating the excellent RTS game Perimeter within astral

[21:30:08] <Raziel> Obviously

[21:30:09] <Forge> there are plenty of uses

[21:30:24] <Cene> Yeah, but how to make it..

[21:30:47] <Cene> Since it has to have some way for the person to put it around them.. oh!

[21:31:32] <Forge> you can have the shield shut on and off when your energy programmed with the will to have the shield shut on or off touches it

[21:32:18] <Cene> I guess it should be able to change size at will too

[21:32:20] <Raziel> And then someone else can try and hax it!

[21:32:41] <Ephraim> Cene: yip

[21:32:48] <Ephraim> Raziel: >.<

[21:32:54] <Raziel> Ephraim: C:

[21:33:28] * Cene sighs

[21:33:44] <Cene> It'd be so much less vulnerable if it was the same size though.

[21:33:55] <Cene> Guess everyone here is used to smart phones

[21:34:03] <Forge> then make it the same size

[21:34:08] <Forge> we will only offer suggestions

[21:34:15] <Forge> thats the whole point of the training

[21:34:31] <Raziel> Forge, suggest me what to makeeee

[21:34:41] <Forge> make a weapon

[21:34:55] <Raziel> To count as a construct it needs to have some automation I assume

[21:35:05] <Forge> nope

[21:35:37] <Raziel> Woo, ideaz

[21:35:39] * Raziel makez

[21:35:45] <Ephraim> lol

[21:36:36] <Cene> This is probably horrible. Ah well

[21:37:03] <Ephraim> mines a self-adapting bit of code i can throw at the control boxes at intersections. essentially, a simple if else statement:

[21:37:03] <Raziel> I'm sure it's aweeesome

[21:37:25] <Forge> sounds pretty simple yet effective Ephraim

[21:37:29] <Forge> i like it

[21:37:50] <Ephraim> if light in the direction i'm going is red; then start signal change; else lock it on green; end if

[21:39:00] <Cene> Mine's two if elses. I feel inefficient. :P

[21:39:24] <Raziel> Miiine's rather complex

[21:39:25] <Ephraim> sometimes you need two or nest them to get the control you want

[21:39:26] <Ryunaker> If that code you just listed got run on a light, there is a chance it would never stop being green, as you did not include an unlock clause.

[21:39:46] <Ephraim> oh, once i'm past the light, i dont give a crap

[21:39:57] <Cene> Hehe

[21:40:04] <Ryunaker> I'm sure, but the many other drivers stuck at a permanent red light would.

[21:40:07] <Raziel> physical constraints would kick back in pretty soon unless it actually changed the code of the light

[21:40:11] <Raziel> which would be very much impressive

[21:40:20] <Cene> I like it

[21:40:26] <Ephraim> ^

[21:40:27] <Cene> Besides, we need more magic

[21:40:48] <Raziel> Soooo mine's a gauntlet-like piece of armor/weapon!

[21:41:18] <Ephraim> it's all tied into a psiball as a delivery method, and thus short life span as there's no code to keep its existance itself

[21:42:29] <Forge> Raziel tell us more about it

[21:42:47] <Forge> we can also test our constructs tonight, but that wont work for some, like Ephraim

[21:42:53] <Forge> also AJ, tell us about your shield

[21:42:56] <Cene> Mmmk, I think I'm basically done mine.

[21:43:15] <Cene> Apart from meditating on it more to get the concept firmly in my mind

[21:43:51] <Ephraim> well i'm going out tomorrow so i'll report back. i know the timings of the lights around me so i can remove the "is it me/my construct or did i have good timing"

[21:44:08] <Raziel> It's made of shiny Dark Crystal (TM!) and imbued with abilties of energy control which are supposed to be able to lock onto a target and slow it down and prevent displacement by forcing the energy of its body to move against itself, basically tying it together with strong elastic bonds. It also generates an energetic field around the claw parts attuned to the energy of the target in such a way in that it can easily counter and dispe

[21:44:08] <Raziel> l the target's energy!

[21:44:26] <AJ> Sure, I tried to make as much energy as I could put densely in the shield, and I tried to make it 'hard', like, solid and all.  It's not very big, just surrounding my astral body; fed in the same amount of psi I'd try to put up when making a small star.

[21:45:24] <Forge> Raziel, and if they work entirely inwards to escape?

[21:45:35] <AJ> (I can't tell you if it's actaully a /good/ shield, since my energy system is all "blah" right now, but yeah...)

[21:45:50] <Raziel> Then they'll dispel their own spirit body leaving their soul vulnerable for a short time

[21:46:37] <Forge> and if their willpower outranks that of the programming of the bonds?

[21:47:31] <Raziel> They'll still need the focus on keeping the bonds in place potentially making them worse/slower at everything else, even if by a smaller margin

[21:48:26] * Purlox might have some construct done

[21:48:48] <Forge> my will is to radiate out a small wave of unstable energy from my base aura. it will destabilize the bonds connection.

[21:49:23] <Raziel> Also, the way dark crystal works is by amplyfing the wielder's energy as well as adding environmental energy to it. so the power of the bonds depends on that.

[21:49:25] <Forge> also, how does the glove slow down enemies? im assuming they have to be caught first

[21:49:25] <Raziel> hmm

[21:49:57] <Raziel> By pushing their energy together. It basically creates great pressure around them, on the big picture level.

[21:50:24] <Raziel> They only have to be in sight or somehow detected, since it uses precise fields and the bonds to do it

[21:50:42] <Forge> so you have to encapsulate them first

[21:50:56] <Forge> with your energy

[21:51:04] <Forge> or the energy of the gauntlet rather

[21:51:09] <Raziel> basically

[21:54:37] * Purlox probably has a construct done

[21:54:51] * Cene is not sure

[21:55:15] <Forge> seems like something to work on raziel.

[21:55:21] <Forge> if you cant catch them then you cant use your construct

[21:55:49] <Raziel> if you can't detect them

[21:55:50] * Ephraim summons the Road Runner (tm)

[21:56:12] <Raziel> And what weapon can you use on something you don't know is there?

[21:56:34] <Ephraim> aoe weapon

[21:56:45] <Forge> my suggestion is nets of energy. they have to move eventually. the nets will detect them. they will also set up the bonds on contact as well.

[21:57:24] <Raziel> but if nets could detect them then what's stopping you from detecting them?

[21:57:41] <Raziel> Since it works on precise fields then it should be able to help you detect movement easily anyway, as long as you're somewhat trying

[21:57:53] <Forge> the nets are if they move in the area

[21:58:02] <Raziel> it's made to bind together similar energy, so it can very easily detect small differences in energy

[21:58:05] <Forge> there is still a possibility that you cannot detect them from sheer speed

[21:58:16] <Raziel> hmm

[21:58:48] <Raziel> the problem lies in the skill and power of the wielder of the weapon compared to that of his enemy

[21:58:54] <Raziel> since the weapon only amplified it to a degree

[21:59:17] * Cene wonders if hers will fail

[21:59:18] <Raziel> I could increase this amplification to extreme amounts, basically making the weapon do all the work

[21:59:20] <Forge> the nets would only be a preparedness tactic

[21:59:22] <Raziel> But that could have issues of its own

[21:59:57] <Raziel> since it'd involve forging one or several powerful souls into the weapon <.<

[22:01:03] <Ephraim> >.<

[22:01:14] <Raziel> And yeah, nets could help in detecting target

[22:01:28] <Raziel> I just don't see why they'd do better at it than field-based energetic change detection

[22:01:28] * Cene pats Ephraim

[22:01:33] <Cene> I'm as lost as you are

[22:01:42] <Raziel> XD

[22:01:44] <Raziel> Sowwwyy

[22:01:52] <Ephraim> i'm half getting it

[22:02:35] <Cene> Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh my god, shoes.

[22:02:55] * Cene is evil

[22:03:03] <Ephraim> o.O

[22:03:06] * Purlox wonders if we will get our constructs scanned so we can find out how good they really are

[22:04:10] <Cene> ^

[22:04:43] <AJ> In a moment, I'll be heading off for a bit; have some stuff in the astral I need to take care of tonight, and it's getting fairly late for me.

[22:05:04] <Ephraim> kk

[22:06:28] <Cene> Can I come with? (I wish that wasn't a joke)

[22:06:33] <Cene> But good luck

[22:06:57] <Ryunaker> Indeed, good luck

[22:08:29] <Forge> sorry

[22:08:33] <Forge> got in a bit of a scuffle there

[22:08:49] <Raziel> wasn't me

[22:08:59] <Forge> i know

[22:09:01] <Forge> i was talking to them

[22:09:03] <Raziel> XD

[22:09:05] <Purlox> Good luck and (soon) good night

[22:09:06] <Forge> they were attempting to seal someone

[22:09:25] <Ephraim> o.O

[22:10:11] <Forge> Purlox, Cene, AJ

[22:10:22] <Forge> Purlox, what is your construct?

[22:10:49] <Forge> aj, its getting more solid, but i would still work on making it harder. still slightly malleable

[22:11:06] <Forge> cene, potency is important, work on making it more potent

[22:11:25] <Cene> You mean focus on it more? Fine

[22:11:35] <Forge> no

[22:11:38] <Forge> i mean give it more energy

[22:12:04] <Purlox> Basically it redirects attention from me if someone is focusing their attention on me and if they are randomly looking near me then it makes me harder to notice that I am there.

[22:12:31] <Forge> does it project its own aura or manipulate yours?

[22:12:59] <Cene> Same thing, or similar, but okay.

[22:13:06] * Ryunaker is suddenly made to think of the Somebody Else's Problem field.

[22:13:19] <Ephraim> YES!

[22:13:23] <Purlox> More like directly manipulate the person's attention

[22:13:36] <Ephraim> or a perseption filter!

[22:13:58] <Ephraim> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS0XrVDYz6U

[22:14:22] <Forge> Ryunaker

[22:14:29] <Forge> what is your construct/what does it do

[22:15:10] <Cene> I guess I'll explain how my works afterwards

[22:15:13] <Cene> *mine

[22:15:34] <Forge> you said earlier its a mobile shield

[22:17:30] <Cene> Well, you said to make it, yeah. You don't care how it works?

[22:17:56] <Cene> It might be totally sucky, but there are probably some improvements that can be made

[22:19:15] <Ryunaker> Let Cene go first.

[22:19:42] <Cene> Yeah. Let's save the best for last. :)

[22:19:55] <Ryunaker> I dunno about that

[22:20:11] <Purlox> Forge, so what now? I need to go to sleep soon, so I would like to know if I should wait here for something or not

[22:21:06] <Forge> >22:13   Purlox   More like directly manipulate the person's attention

[22:21:10] <Forge> i just saw this

[22:21:13] <Forge> i missed it earlier

[22:21:22] <Forge> but this still a function

[22:21:32] <Raziel> Forge, so what now? I need to go to sleep soon, so I would like to know if I should wait here for something or not

[22:21:33] <Raziel> XD

[22:21:34] <Forge> such as producing an energetic aura in order to reach them

[22:22:37] <Forge> i would recommend something that adapts your own aura rather than producing its own

[22:22:46] <Forge> its less conspicuous

[22:23:24] <Raziel> Well

[22:23:27] <Raziel> I SHOULD go to sleep soon

[22:23:29] <Raziel> but

[22:23:32] <Raziel> I'm not tired

[22:23:36] <Raziel> :(

[22:24:40] <Purlox> Well, that might help, but I don't think that it needs to manipulate with my aura to be better

[22:25:23] <Forge> its only a recommendation :D

[22:25:53] <Purlox> Ah

[22:26:21] <Raziel> :F

[22:26:23] <Raziel> :D even

[22:27:06] <Forge> cene and Ryunaker

[22:28:35] <Cene> Mhm?

[22:29:34] <Ryunaker> Well, I thought I'd make a weapon...I think I went a little overboard, though.

[22:30:12] <Cene> The Nuketacular 5000?

[22:30:26] <Ryunaker> :p  No

[22:30:38] <Cene> Let's finish with yours then. It sounds way cooler

[22:30:40] <Cene> :P

[22:30:45] <Purlox> What did you make?

[22:30:52] <Cene> A shield

[22:31:04] <Cene> So, should I explain it?

[22:31:36] <Forge> yes

[22:32:56] <Cene> Okay. So, it's a small spherical container of energy. When you spin it, it triggers a shield that's out 3 feet from it in every way.

[22:33:42] <Cene> The shield is more like a filter, and it only lets whoever spun the container's energy through

[22:34:26] <Cene> And it uses energy from the container whenever foreign energy tries to pass the filter. The container also gains energy when it spins.

[22:34:29] <Forge> a fun addition would be making the shield stronger the faster it spins

[22:34:35] <Forge> but that really doesnt have a practical use

[22:34:35] <Cene> And the shield stops when it stops.

[22:34:46] <Cene> That's what I said

[22:35:05] <Cene> :P But you spoke too soon

[22:35:47] <Raziel> Forge

[22:36:02] <Cene> And the filter goes down just before the container would run out of energy

[22:36:06] <Forge> i would definitely work on increasing the inward flow and the generation, as the outer layer seems thin so to speak

[22:36:13] <Forge> easily broken would be a better word

[22:36:34] <Cene> It's supposed to be thin. It only gets energy when it needs to

[22:36:54] <Cene> Then energy is taken from the small container based on the need

[22:37:23] <Forge> really neat  concept

[22:37:29] <Forge> anyone else have input?

[22:37:35] <Forge> and yes Raziel?

[22:37:54] <Raziel> make me wanna sleep or something >:

[22:37:55] <Raziel> lol

[22:38:36] <Forge> i can activate a serotonin release for you if you like

[22:38:48] <Forge> it will make you nice and relaxed

[22:39:40] <Raziel> we can probably try that

[22:43:56] <Purlox> Good night

[22:44:14] <Cene> Night

[22:46:28] <Forge> Ryunaker, still wanna have a go?

[22:46:32] <Forge> ive been getting sleepy

[22:46:54] <Ryunaker> Well, I would like your opinion of the weapon I designed.

[22:47:16] <Forge> not a problem

[22:47:19] <Forge> what is the function

[22:47:29] <Raziel> >forge tries to make me sleepy

[22:47:33] <Raziel> >gets self sleepy instead

[22:47:37] <Raziel> pffffffffffffffffffffffffFFFFffFf

[22:47:42] <Raziel> XD

[22:47:43] <Forge> nah

[22:47:45] <Forge> ive been sleepy

[22:47:57] <Forge> you have too many minds to activate serotonin in all of them

[22:48:00] <Forge> too much work

[22:48:11] <Ryunaker> It's basically an energy weapon, it combines my energy with its own.

[22:48:24] <Raziel> Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me

[22:48:26] <Raziel> xD

[22:48:38] <Cene> Too many minds? o.o *feels totally out of this conversation*

[22:49:03] <Ryunaker> Shouldn't that be 'us', then?  :p

[22:49:12] <Cene> Nooo

[22:49:28] <Forge> i did two of them

[22:49:32] <Cene> We don't need people talking like that. We think that would be annoying, and we hope it will never happen.

[22:49:35] <Forge> use those

[22:49:56] <Forge> and ryu, you need to be more descriptive

[22:50:14] <Ryunaker> In which ways?

[22:51:29] <Forge> in how it functions, what kind of weapon it is, etc

[22:54:07] <Forge> overall more details

[22:54:10] <Forge> or we can do it tomorrow on skype

[22:54:12] <Forge> cuz passing out

[22:54:18] <Raziel> Mmmmskype

[22:54:26] <Ryunaker> Save it for tomorrow.  *nods softly*

[22:54:39] * Ryunaker puts it away for now.

[22:54:47] <Forge> nini

[22:54:48] <Forge> sleepytime