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[22:49:30] <Liven> So, Able, I have to ask, what promted you to ask Al for that doccument pertaining to Cliffjumper?

[22:50:20] <Able_Tome> You haven't seen the barracks scene?

[22:50:32] <Liven> Which one?

[22:50:43] <Able_Tome> The one that happened two days ago

[22:50:54] <Able_Tome> Where Able was destroying Dente's ass

[22:50:59] <Liven> Why?

[22:51:09] <Able_Tome> And delivered a criminal to him who was impersonnating a guard

[22:51:21] <Able_Tome> And breached Vault's conduct

[22:51:38] <Able_Tome> And then Dente releases her immediately, even though Able was saying to fix this shit

[22:51:48] <Liven> I'm trying to put this scene togther in my head. Who did Al release?

[22:52:25] <Able_Tome> Curiosity was impersonnating a guard, saying that she was acting on Al's authority

[22:52:33] <Able_Tome> Case 1: Curiosity

[22:52:33] <Able_Tome> - A "special" guard operating within Dente's ranks who Dente said 'wasnt' working within guards, but she still claims to be one. She commanded as she called a 'protege/assistant' of her's, entered the Vault with Rain, found my sleeping body with burn marks that were mostly treated, then -left- the Vault while ordering the guard to stay with me and transfer me into the clinic without my consent.

[22:52:33] <Able_Tome> - She calls Dente her 'leader' and that she is working with him, but doesn't 'follows' his orders, even though she claims to be the guard.

[22:52:33] <Able_Tome> - Upon request, Dente said that she -was- working with guards, but doesn't works now/was deposed during cellblock shit - aka Iron Bark. I've said that she was commanding other guard and asked for her rank and if she was an officer, a question which Dente haven't answered, mumbling his rhethorical bull.

[22:52:33] <Able_Tome> - So there is someone who roams the town, impersonates an affiliation with guards, commits an investigation from -guard's- perspective meddling in council affairs and Dente's talking about "humility" and slap on the wrist shit without taking any action.

[22:52:33] <Able_Tome> - Curiosity was ordered in the Vault, numerous times, to leave the facility's confines because she was unauthorized to be there, acted like a smug cunt to Able and his assistant, continued to ask her -questions- concerning private life of Hidden, Able and Glacial. She was seriously -asked- numerous times to follow the protocol, but continued to breach it with a smug grin and yapping that 'she is

[22:52:33] <Able_Tome> just doing her job', presumably on 'Dente's orders' which she wasn't

[22:52:34] <Able_Tome> - With all this shit she was actively preventing Able, a council member, to reach town hall in time for the emergency session regarding serial killings, an issue that Able was informed about by Ikea and clearly stated to Cury that there's no time for this crap.

[22:52:58] <Able_Tome> Then getting pissed off about all guard's dealings, Able presented other shit to Dente

[22:53:01] <Able_Tome> Case 2: Catnip and Griffon Bandits

[22:53:01] <Able_Tome> - From the same "special" guard, Able gained data on griffon bandits and Catnip, who, as Cury said, was incarcerated/captured. When Able was tearing a new one in Dente, Weather said that Catnip was actually never captured and "escaped".

[22:53:01] <Able_Tome> - Public wasn't informed about presence of fucking griffon bandits on the outskirts of the town. Cury mentioned that Catnit was working for them or was forced to work, so presumably these bandits pose active threat. The town is a frontier colony with most of people who go into outskirts - armed. The public must've been informed about this activity so that people would be prepared, but weeks have

[22:53:01] <Able_Tome> passed since this and -absolutely nothing- was announced

[22:53:29] <Able_Tome> And when Dente said that there -are- official documents on Griffon and Cliff's cases - asked for them

[22:53:33] <Able_Tome> Case 3: Cliffjumper

[22:53:33] <Able_Tome> - Able demanded reports about both cases because it seems like an attempt on council member's life and investigation regarding the matter is not something that should be reported to -other- council members who's lives might be in danger. The reports were vague, but bearable... the thing that captured Able's eye was 'Equestrian facility'

[22:53:33] <Able_Tome> - Able asked -which- Equestrian facility was it and for how long this 'Cliffjumper' has been sent out there. Dente said that he "couldn't read" which facility it was when he was signing 'deportation papers'. Able snorted that a fucking council member who was dealing with embassy was signing a jack knows what document without knowing how to read, nor what was stated in it. Obviously Able demanded

[22:53:33] <Able_Tome> the deportation document to check it out, on which Dente mumbled that he doesn't have it. Able asked why is there no copy of a deportation document and a 'contract' on our own citizen. Nothing.

[22:53:33] <Able_Tome> - Able poured shit ton of crap on why the fuck he was signing something without anyone from council or guard who -knows- Equestrian to check it out. With this he said that Cherenkov, Sleeves of him can take a stroll to the embassy and get the deportation document on Cliffjumper checked one of these days on which Dente snarled and demanded the report that he was showing to Able returned. Able

[22:53:34] <Able_Tome> asked for the copy of the report, but was not provided with it because >guard business.

[22:54:04] <Able_Tome> All this coupled with previous oversights that Able was pissed off about

[22:54:04] <Liven> Lot to read, give me a minute

[22:54:24] <Able_Tome> Case 4: Smuggling, tinfoil and old grudges

[22:54:24] <Able_Tome> - Coupled with everything that was mentioned, Able mentioned the fucking note that Dente presented during -that- miners shit, where Dente went full tinfoil on them, yet nothing further about apperent plot was reported back.

[22:54:24] <Able_Tome> - Performing a 'huddle' during a public hearing and sowing seeds of mistrust

[22:54:24] <Able_Tome> - Sarge and his 'deportation' into pony hell and Dente's incompetence

* Looking up Able_Tome user info...

[22:57:10] <Liven> So.... this all seems to stem at you being pissed about Curi.

[22:57:21] <Able_Tome> It all started from her breaches

[22:57:30] <Liven> I wish I could start a shitstorm everytime I told someone to leave the clinic and they didn't listen

[22:57:42] <Able_Tome> Able was in a piss poor mood that day in the clinic, if you remember

[22:57:49] <Able_Tome> Coupled with shit that happened through entire week

[22:57:54] <Able_Tome> Injuries, Hid getting injured

[22:58:08] <Able_Tome> And then Cury goes full smug ass bitch ICly

[22:58:17] <Able_Tome> And breaches conduct

[22:58:29] <Able_Tome> Glacial, me and NPC guard deliver her to barracks

[22:58:34] <Able_Tome> when that scene happens

[22:59:09] <Able_Tome> The very next day, even after 'officer impersonnation' and 'commanding guards without Guard authority', >released

[22:59:28] <Liven> Please, Liven is in a piss poor mood almost every day. I have to deal with smug asses all the time. You get used to it

[23:00:33] <Able_Tome> Couple it with paranoia that Hidden injured him with magic on purpose, that misfire in the library, losing documents, getting 'kidnapped' out of the Vault, strange things regarding sedation

[23:00:57] <Able_Tome> and Guards not performing their duty right - it all exploded into this when Cury just -had- to act like she did

[23:01:31] <Liven> Forgive me, but it litterally sounds like all of this stems from you being in a bad mood and Curi poking the bear

[23:01:43] <Able_Tome> Why of course, because it makes sense

[23:01:50] <Able_Tome> IC sense

[23:02:20] <Able_Tome> he had a breach - he reported a breach - he raged about Dente's incompetence demanding information on things that should've been reported long ago

 

[23:02:31] <Able_Tome> And that's when those things surfaced

[23:02:40] <Able_Tome> So please. OOC is completely not in the play

[23:02:51] <Able_Tome> And skype's being a cancerous hugbox as always

[23:03:07] <Able_Tome> I don't have anything against Dente OOCly

[23:03:17] <Able_Tome> I'm following character progression.

[23:03:32] <Liven> You kind of are. You're willing to ruin his good time in 4C over your vendetta against him

[23:03:34] <Able_Tome> And when I see some chucklefucks drying to weasel their way through OOC for legitimate IC crimes

[23:03:50] <Able_Tome> I'm acting on what CHARACTER is acting

[23:03:59] <Able_Tome> if crimes were discovered in character

[23:04:09] <Able_Tome> Should I, what, metagame not seeing that shit?

[23:04:16] <Able_Tome> Are you kidding me?

[23:04:23] <Liven> Doing what YOUR CHARACTER would do shouldn't be an excuese to ruin the good time of another.

[23:04:54] <Able_Tome> Again, are -you- seriously proposing me to metagame out facts that were revealed through legitimate IC interraction?

[23:05:33] <Able_Tome> I'm not going to break RP rules especially when someone consciously conducted that illegal activity

[23:06:04] <Able_Tome> It's a natural course of events.

[23:06:13] <Able_Tome> It surfaced - you get IC judgement

[23:06:22] <Able_Tome> And there is absolutely -nothing- to whine about here.

[23:06:36] <Liven> Answer me first. Are you saying that your in character actions are more important than a real person behind the screen having a good time?

[23:07:06] <Able_Tome> Not -my- character, but IC conduct

[23:07:38] <Able_Tome> I, as a player and GM, hold IC conduct and repercussions in higher regards.

[23:07:43] <Liven> So you have no problem ruining another living person's fun so your horse doesn't have to make adjustments?

[23:07:55] <Liven> The whole point of this -player or GM- is to have a good time.

[23:07:56] <Liven> Yes?

[23:08:15] <Able_Tome> Liven, I am not going to be an OOC metagaming faggot

[23:08:24] <Able_Tome> this is disgusting as fuck

[23:08:32] <Able_Tome> You know what a game is?

[23:08:45] <Able_Tome> IN the game you can either win, or you can lose

[23:09:14] <Able_Tome> If you caused mistakes - you lose. Not necessarily the game, but only one chapter of it.

[23:09:17] <Liven> That right there is the litteral deffiniation of powergaming.

[23:09:43] <Able_Tome> YOUR definition of weaving OOC is METAGAMING

[23:10:06] <Able_Tome> If character uncovered other character's illegal activity, it -will- be handled ICly

[23:10:18] <Able_Tome> You're a fucking player

[23:10:20] <Able_Tome> in a game

[23:10:31] <Liven> I'm saying that fun should come before anything else. I'm saying that ensuring the players have a good time should be more important than anything else, and if that requires a bit of meta gaming, then so be it.

[23:10:35] <Liven> Because if it's not fun

[23:10:37] <Liven> Why bother?>

[23:10:41] <Able_Tome> When your character makes a conscious choice, you make a conscious choice

[23:11:50] <Able_Tome> It's NOT a -bit- of a metagaming in Able's regarding, ffs. Entire arc stretches through months and what -you- are proposing me to do is make my horse dumb because another player doesn't has a spine to face problems that he himself caused.

[23:12:50] <Able_Tome> Not only this, but -numerous- players are affected and you are proposing to compromise world's integrity for legitimate mistakes

[23:13:00] <Able_Tome> It's a game, Liven.

[23:13:09] <Able_Tome> You're a player, first hand.

[23:13:21] <Liven> Yes, it's a game, and you are directly responsible for people not enjoing the game

[23:13:32] <Able_Tome> And like in every game, a reasonable player understands when he makes mistakes

[23:13:37] <Liven> That other player?

[23:13:44] <Able_Tome> You don't >undo your choices while playing chess

[23:13:47] <Liven> People are advocating him being removed from the game.

[23:13:59] <Able_Tome> >removing him

[23:14:03] <Liven> Yes, because chess is a 2 player game witha  clear winner and loser

[23:14:12] <Liven> There is no win or loss in a role play

[23:14:59] <Able_Tome> That's the fucking point.

[23:15:11] <Able_Tome> There were repercussions, you face repercussion

[23:15:17] <Able_Tome> You continue with your roleplay.

[23:15:36] <Able_Tome> Getting deported is the worst case scenario

[23:16:18] <Liven> And then what? You lose the character and relationships you've spent months making and forging. That ends the game, ruins the fun.

[23:17:28] <Able_Tome> But aren't these consequences that he -himself- brought onto him, mm?

[23:17:41] <Able_Tome> I don't see what you are trying to advocate here, to be honest

[23:18:07] <Able_Tome> It was known from the dawn of 4C that breaching set policies is a bad idea

[23:18:20] <Liven> What set policies?

[23:18:29] <Able_Tome> I'm not talking about even killing off Cliff, because that's meta-knowledge

[23:18:36] <Able_Tome> *not even

[23:18:46] <Liven> But you're digging for it so hard IC because you know about it OOC

[23:20:02] * Able_Tome facefuckingpalms

[23:20:21] <Able_Tome> Such fucking implications Liven, I swear

[23:20:26] <Able_Tome> such fucking implications

[23:20:38] <Able_Tome> It didn't even started with >Cliff, faggot

[23:20:45] <Able_Tome> If I'd want to fuck Dente up

[23:21:02] <Able_Tome> I'd do it MUCH earlier, because Able knew about something something

[23:21:22] <Able_Tome> But was ICly preoccupied with Vault, magic and solving his personal affair

[23:21:42] <Liven> After seven months of doing this with you, it's the conclusion I've drawn from seeing you for that long.

[23:22:19] <Liven> Able, this was the perfect planned tome to strike

[23:22:27] <Liven> People would be against him because of the Iron Bark case

[23:22:32] <Liven> The guard is in dissaray

[23:22:40] <Liven> His credibility is at an all time low

[23:22:57] <Liven> This is the optimal time to strike

[23:23:02] <Liven> You're smart enough to see that

[23:26:10] <Able_Tome> ... I HAVEN'T EVEN PLANNED THIS, FFS. Have you SEEN what was happening to Able for the last week?!!

[23:26:23] <Liven> I don't pay attention to wht you do

[23:26:24] <Able_Tome> Have you SEEN what Curiosity was doing while >talking with him?

[23:26:32] <Able_Tome> Good, Liven, then stfu

[23:26:46] <Able_Tome> You don't know the arc and how much shit Able had to go through 2 weeks

[23:26:57] <Able_Tome> It's logical

[23:27:03] <Able_Tome> And NOW after all that RP

[23:27:11] <Liven> You have a craaaaaazy view of logical

[23:27:15] <Able_Tome> Someone comes here and fucking tells me that I was planning this

[23:27:41] <Able_Tome> You are trying to judge something while you know jack shit, Liven

[23:27:56] <Able_Tome> And firing shots like certain >hugbox

[23:28:02] <Able_Tome> that was damage controlling for 2-3 days

[23:28:15] <Able_Tome> Trying to OOCly weave their way out of situation

[23:29:21] <Able_Tome> Only because someone whines in the skype call and can't sepparate OOC from IC

[23:29:37] <Liven> To be fair, it's not just the Skpe call. Half the town talks about you, and the other half I don't talk to

[23:29:39] <Able_Tome> You've said it yourself on NUMEROUS times

[23:29:44] <Able_Tome> IC does as IC goes

[23:30:33] <Able_Tome> Or were you fucking with Kaia out there due to -other- OOC reasons and then just thrown that phrase out there like it's some sort of a buzzword?

[23:30:56] <Able_Tome> I wasn't searching for plans

[23:30:59] <Liven> Aye, but people myself included see all your NP usage, various plots, and you seeming to have control over most/all of it as you ving for more meta power

[23:31:02] <Able_Tome> Able's plan was the other one

[23:31:12] <Able_Tome> He wanted to implant a PC into guard ranks

[23:31:14] <Liven> I only fuck with Kai when I'm attacked by her

[23:31:22] <Able_Tome> so that PC would act as an internal affairs informant

[23:31:35] <Liven> Internal affairs. Reporting to...?

[23:31:35] <Able_Tome> That WAS Able's IC plan and something he was doing through weeks

[23:31:43] <Able_Tome> Reporting to him and council

[23:31:50] <Able_Tome> That WAS IC plan

[23:32:12] <Able_Tome> But then he got injured, all shit went on his head and Cury happened

[23:32:23] <Able_Tome> And THEN Dente himself disclosed oversights

[23:32:28] <Able_Tome> SO fucking please

[23:33:03] <Able_Tome> This metagaming shit and weaseling out AND trying to pour shit on me for acting like a character WOULD act is disgusting

[23:33:26] <Liven> To be fair, your character is kind of a douchebag

[23:33:45] <Able_Tome> I don't care if I play a douchebag

[23:33:52] <Able_Tome> That's how character developed

[23:34:16] <Able_Tome> And the one who are you trying to call a douchebag was trying to fix the town since first days

[23:34:53] <Able_Tome> There is literally no OOC reason to be complaining about own faults getting surfaced

[23:35:04] <Liven> Well you've done a great job, round of applause :3

[23:35:41] <Able_Tome> From IC perspective - yes. The incompetent, power abusing guard got exposed. The seat can be taken by someone who can organize guards better

[23:35:59] <Liven> Who would you recomend for that spot?

[23:36:00] <Able_Tome> The bone wasn't with Dente, but how guard captain acts

[23:36:06] <Able_Tome> It's not for me to decide

[23:36:11] <Able_Tome> It's a town's vote

[23:36:18] <Liven> You've kind of been at Al's throat since he was first ellected

[23:37:51] <Able_Tome> And that wasn't called by anything, mm?

[23:38:09] <Able_Tome> Sarge wasn't particulary favored by Able ICly due to >rape

[23:38:13] <Liven> I don't think so, I think he's done a fine job

[23:38:20] <Able_Tome> ...

[23:38:33] <Able_Tome> I've already written walls on how many oversights were done

[23:38:35] <Able_Tome> ICly

[23:38:53] <Able_Tome> I don't even want to touch that shit of a metagaming that you faggots were performing in the skype

[23:39:26] <Liven> Chatting is metagaming now?

[23:39:27] <Able_Tome> Don't even let me start on that metagaming fiasco

[23:39:39] <Able_Tome> You were PLOTTING in OOC

[23:40:02] <Able_Tome> You were directly influencing course of IC action through OOC

[23:40:06] <Able_Tome> in real time

[23:40:17] <Able_Tome> That's the definition of 'Hivemind' metaing

[23:40:26] <Liven> Many of us are still convinced you do the same, so don't play that card.

[23:40:36] <Able_Tome> >many of us

[23:40:46] <Able_Tome> I will play this card, Liven

[23:40:47] <Liven> Not naming names.

[23:41:04] <Able_Tome> Because I know perfectly know that I follow IC conduct and don't do this shit

[23:41:28] <Liven> You keep telling yourself that. I'm sure it will be true one of these days.

[23:41:38] <Able_Tome> And I don't fucking care if some hugbox who constantly metagames and whines and kills 4C has >complaints

[23:42:15] <Liven> >Kills 4C

[23:42:18] <Able_Tome> The skype group should never have happened.

[23:42:19] <Liven> You're funny~

[23:42:48] <Able_Tome> Since its inception there were glaring oversights and general decrease in RP quality

[23:42:54] <Able_Tome> All quests that were hiveminded through skype

[23:42:59] <Able_Tome> All backdoor talking shit

[23:43:01] <Liven> Really?

[23:43:07] <Able_Tome> On Lucyne, on Honey, on everyone

[23:43:11] <Liven> 5C was the skype's fault?

[23:43:28] <Liven> My swamp idea was Skype

[23:43:29] <Able_Tome> You yourself constantly shit up on other people through voice talk, so please

[23:43:38] <Able_Tome> Because it's >fun

[23:43:46] <Able_Tome> So please, Liven

[23:43:57] <Liven> Because I'm an angry SOB with strong passions and anger issues

[23:43:57] <Able_Tome> You know perfectly well yourself.

[23:44:21] <Liven> But, Green Light's wild rides were created from the skype?

[23:44:59] <Able_Tome> Participants 'avatarfagging' on Light's quests was skype's fault

[23:45:11] <Liven> Please elaborate

[23:46:08] <Able_Tome> >talking through skype while RPing

[23:46:09] <Able_Tome> >hivemind interraction aka "oh, lets do this"

[23:46:09] <Able_Tome> >hivemind knowledge passing

[23:46:09] <Able_Tome> >acting like retards in some cases because it will be giggleworthy for skype's conversation

[23:46:09] <Able_Tome> >shit talking and influencing what IC says

[23:46:27] <Able_Tome> Literally skype's shit

[23:46:37] <Able_Tome> This is a text RP

[23:46:57] <Able_Tome> Any voice interraction grants an advantage and is untraceable if you are not in the >group

[23:47:03] <Able_Tome> Then those past council sessions

[23:47:05] <Liven> I'm not sure if you're so deluded you actually believe this, or you're just trying to find something so you can put yourself on a pedastel above us

[23:47:21] <Able_Tome> where Greens, Al and co were >discussing and hiveminding answers and positions

[23:47:40] <Able_Tome> Liven, I've been saying this since skype's appearance

[23:47:52] <Able_Tome> I don't need to search for something - I've seen and heard it myself

[23:48:01] <Able_Tome> And you were also there

[23:48:12] <Able_Tome> So don't try to say that skype doesn't causes this shit

[23:48:15] <Able_Tome> it does

[23:48:21] <Able_Tome> constantly

[23:48:31] <Able_Tome> That and all >vidya scene

[23:48:38] <Liven> It doesn't, and you're paranoid for believing it does

[23:48:46] * Able_Tome chuckles

[23:49:22] <Able_Tome> Delude yourself further then. As a bonus all shit talk and shitposting in the thread originated there too.

[23:49:39] <Liven> There's been shitposting waaaaaay before the skype call

[23:49:42] <Able_Tome> Especially from Bacon during early days because someone had giggle time

[23:49:50] <Able_Tome> Yes and it only got worse

[23:49:59] <Able_Tome> Because now you have people shit talking behind other's backs

[23:50:08] <Able_Tome> And spreading shit misinformation

[23:50:33] <Able_Tome> And shitposting in the thread, shitposts that originate from the room's convos

[23:50:54] <Able_Tome> Don't try to say that this doesn't happens constantly

[23:51:25] <Able_Tome> The current hugbox for Dente is also caused by Skype

[23:51:45] <Able_Tome> because >boo hoo, muh OOCy interraction outside of 4C's scape

[23:51:50] <Able_Tome> Please.

[23:52:35] <Liven> To be fair, I'd side with Al IC even if I wasn't buds with him

[23:52:41] <Liven> Liven hates Able that much

[23:52:47] <Able_Tome> Of course

[23:53:02] <Able_Tome> Because Liven doesn't gives a shit about town

[23:53:16] <Liven> Now that may be the funniest thing you've said all night

[23:53:52] <Able_Tome> Why of course. Liven would let another criminal off the hook... considering what he was doing in the cell block

[23:53:56] <Able_Tome> Totally legal

[23:54:05] <Able_Tome> Totally lawful and how a proper human being should act

[23:54:17] <Liven> So you have to be the model citizen to want to help the town?

[23:54:21] <Liven> Amazing

[23:54:27] <Liven> You've cracked the human condition!

[23:54:58] <Able_Tome> My oh my, tell me the oh so 'unethical' things that Able done, tsk

[23:55:07] <Able_Tome> Liven was trying to kill many people

[23:55:21] <Able_Tome> He was poisoning people

[23:55:21] <Liven> People who were a threat to the town or were a harmful factor

[23:55:27] <Liven> He poisoned Silver and Sarge.

[23:56:03] <Able_Tome> Why yes, you do that if you're a sociopath who thinks that he's above the order of things

[23:56:15] <Able_Tome> >kill off a problem because I can and it should be done

[23:56:56] <Able_Tome> Able has -every- means to do that, but never did he fanthomed to kill another soul, just because that would >solve things

[23:57:17] <Able_Tome> There were his own episodes, and he has mental problems as it was established by his backstory

[23:57:27] <Able_Tome> and there are shifts in the way he acts

[23:57:36] <Liven> But let's forget the clinc. Let's forget the hours he puts in. Let's forget the treatments he's developed. Let's forget he used to mine for the town on his days off. Let's forget the face he worked without rest of try and contain the deisease that you brought. Let's forget all that. Let's forget his research into phisoloigy and anatomy of ponies, his doccumentation of the local flora for their medicinal properties, his expedition to the mountians his first week there so they could scout for resources. Let's forget all of that, then you can say Liven doesn't care about the town.

[23:58:20] <Liven> Able doesn't act, in Liven's mind, because he's a coward and a weakling.

[23:58:21] <Able_Tome> Of course, and you are so easy to forget about Able's contributions

[23:58:36] <Liven> And because Able cares more about controling others than doing anything for the town

[23:59:04] <Able_Tome> But that's the most funniest part there is. The -least- thing Able cares about is control.

[23:59:23] <Liven> Right, Able doesn't. You want control.

[23:59:31] <Able_Tome> ...

[23:59:35] <Able_Tome> pffffffft

[23:59:58] <Able_Tome> that's it, this convo is seriously over

[00:00:09] <Able_Tome> because this is just silly at this point

[00:00:26] <Liven> You think? I'm quite enjoying myself.

[00:02:14] <Able_Tome> Of course, because you're feeding on it like a pest. You're not here to solve things or find a consensus or cordial solution, you are here to 'have a giggle'

[00:02:28] <Able_Tome> You're not interested in anything besides your own fun

[00:02:59] <Able_Tome> Selfish, Liven.

[00:05:23] <Liven> Wrong again

[00:05:34] <Liven> I'm in it for the fun of everyone.

[00:05:59] <Liven> THe whole cause of this is because you are so hell bent on ruining the fun of someone else, as I've stated before

[00:07:58] <Liven> Though, I will admit, when you started getting off on yourself, put yourself above everyone else and once again stated you were in no way in the wrong, I did have some fun poking the bear.

[00:08:18] <Able_Tome> I am hell bent on RP world following rules of repercussions. That was always my GM creed. If one situation pulls strings of the other situation, Liven, IC does as IC goes. And shitposting that you and hugbox perpetuates in the thread wanting one character to metagame for the sake of the other? It's disgusting as allways.

[00:08:35] <Able_Tome> *always

[00:08:48] <Able_Tome> There's no integrity in that.

[00:09:08] <Able_Tome> You faggots were killing of Silver and Sarge for lesser problems

[00:09:25] <Liven> You're the disgusting one. So hell bent on folling your set up order that you'd dismiss the wants and needs of others, forget about their good time for your order... that's disgusting.

[00:09:49] <Liven> You talk about Skype and others killing 4C, but do you want to know what will really be the death of it?

[00:09:50] <Able_Tome> And where were you when Silver and Sarge happened then?

[00:09:53] <Liven> Look in a mirror

[00:10:01] <Able_Tome> WHERE were you when Silver and Sarge happened?

[00:10:04] <Liven> Silver wasn't killed by

[00:10:06] <Able_Tome> When Silver's second character happened?

[00:10:19] <Able_Tome> When Honey's second character happened?

[00:10:31] <Liven> I never even met Silver's second CHaracter, and Honey's second character lef on his own

[00:10:33] <Able_Tome> You were -messing- with their fun without regard

[00:10:38] <Liven> Sarge was leaving the next day, and wound up being his own death

[00:11:02] <Able_Tome> Liven, you and others were OOCly messing and abusing them

[00:11:16] <Able_Tome> You were abusing them not only due to IC, but to have a giggle

[00:11:23] <Liven> I OOC abused Echo? And Silver's reroll?

[00:12:31] <Able_Tome> I'm talking about everyone who was perpetuating the notions. It's was far worse abuse, in some cases for even lesser things In Character

[00:12:44] <Able_Tome> You were shitslinging and messing the fun of -those- players

[00:12:52] <Able_Tome> You continue to mess Mariel's fun

[00:13:06] <Able_Tome> Even if Mariel acts like she does

[00:13:16] <Able_Tome> You still continue to mess with her kind of afun

[00:13:23] <Liven> I don't like Mariel, never have because she dismisses the ideas of everyone, I have never once done anything against her

[00:13:45] <Able_Tome> You were dissing her in skype call, you were dissing her in OOC

[00:13:54] <Able_Tome> You were doing the same things with all those other players

[00:14:05] <Able_Tome> And not only you

[00:14:07] <Liven> But at any point have I acted against her?

[00:14:23] <Able_Tome> And now you come to me and say that -I- disregard the fun of others? For legitimate IC reasons?

[00:14:38] <Able_Tome> Where were you when all those things happened, mm?

[00:14:49] <Liven> All what things?

[00:14:56] <Able_Tome> Able has the most legitimate IC reasons there is, Liven

[00:15:05] <Able_Tome> I don't shit pour on Dente

[00:15:28] <Liven> You did that the first council meeting when he and you were ellected

[00:15:32] <Able_Tome> The only thing that I find negative is him trying to rationalize OOCly legitimate decisions

[00:15:55] <Able_Tome> Not during the first council meeting. Second one after the fuck up

[00:16:07] <Able_Tome> The first council meeting was productive

[00:16:11] <Liven> So you just completly dismiss his IC claims how it was for the good for the town?

[00:16:14] <Able_Tome> Then after council meeting Sarge happened

[00:16:34] <Able_Tome> And that's when Able noticed oversights

[00:16:51] <Able_Tome> And through the course of months and piling things all ended up in the barrack's scene

[00:16:58] <Able_Tome> where even worse oversights were revealed

[00:17:05] <Able_Tome> Legitimately revealed

[00:17:21] <Able_Tome> And the character acts and brings this to public's attention

[00:17:35] <Liven> Then they whould have been handled by someone else. YOU weren't ellected to handle the guard

[00:17:48] <Liven> You were ellected to serve on the Science seat

[00:17:57] <Liven> You were the first one to overstep our bounds

[00:18:17] <Liven> And once again, you refuse to believe you did anything wrong

[00:18:18] <Able_Tome> SO WHAT? Every citizen can have complaints, Liven, ffs.

[00:18:26] <Able_Tome> His "special" guard breached the protocols

[00:18:36] <Able_Tome> He delivered the "special" guard and brought the issue to Dente

[00:18:48] <Able_Tome> And through the course of discussion, more issues were found

[00:18:52] <Able_Tome> Are you serious?

[00:18:58] <Liven> Yes, they can complain. But they don't have the right to launch an investigation for things that don't fall under their

jurisdiction

[00:20:07] <Able_Tome> What fucking investigation? Dente himself showed documents and himself couldn't answer for his shit. And the next day ICly I find out that the criminal who breached the law was let off scotts free.

[00:20:20] <Able_Tome> Are you saying that if a council member found illegal activity

[00:20:33] <Able_Tome> that he should keep his mouth shut and not inform council authorities?

[00:20:41] <Able_Tome> You serious?

[00:20:43] <Liven> First off, define illegal

[00:21:13] <Able_Tome> Scroll up, Liven and you will read cases

[00:21:25] <Able_Tome> I don't have to chew everything down multiple times for you

[00:21:36] <Liven> They don't seem to go against the 4C consititution that was ratified

[00:21:50] <Able_Tome> They fucking are.

[00:22:11] <Able_Tome> The power abuse is there.

[00:22:53] <Able_Tome> And if you'll call informing council authorities about 'power abuse' - power abuse, then you are hopeless.

[00:23:28] <Liven> I'm not the one who feels the need to police the others on the poper use of their seat

[00:23:39] <Able_Tome> Power. Abuse.

[00:23:44] <Able_Tome> Would you let that happen?

[00:24:03] <Able_Tome> Do you seriously want to have someone as a head of guards who does that shit?

[00:24:47] <Liven> Consideing I think we should live in a town like that, that I don't have a problem with offing a threat to the town who wasn't evena  citizen, then yeah, I don't have a probelm

[00:25:14] <Able_Tome> You don't even know if this was a citizen or not.

[00:25:27] <Able_Tome> This could've been one of our citizens

[00:25:32] <Able_Tome> And no trial was held

[00:25:39] <Liven> But, and here's the thing, she wasn't.

[00:25:41] <Able_Tome> Even the victim was not informed about proceedings

[00:25:51] <Able_Tome> But you -don't- know this ICly

[00:26:00] <Able_Tome> You can only guess if she was or not

[00:26:08] <Liven> I'm not talking ICly right now

[00:27:02] <Able_Tome> But you need to consider IC here. What you are saying 'Oh she could've been a citizen, or she could've been an outsider. Screw this, lets just cap her without trial nor sorting her position out.'

[00:27:26] <Able_Tome> ICly you don't give a shit about who this Cliffjumper was and what her motives were

[00:27:33] <Liven> Is she a danger to the town and it's well being? Then citizen or not, I don't care of she gets a trial.

[00:27:34] <Able_Tome> You just want to wave you hand

[00:27:58] <Able_Tome> She was caught by guards, she was treated in the clinic, she was kept in barracks

[00:28:07] <Liven> Your point?

[00:28:44] <Able_Tome> The point is that we don't know how she was treated by the guards, was she a citzen or not, what were her motives. She wasn't even given a chance of a fair trial.

[00:28:54] <Able_Tome> Unethical and dirty.

[00:29:00] <Able_Tome> Lazy even

[00:29:17] <Able_Tome> Lazyness that killed someone

[00:29:27] <Able_Tome> Without giving her a chance

[00:29:32] <Liven> The need to act quickly and decisevly killed someone.

[00:29:43] <Liven> Al is willing to take steps that no one else would

[00:30:05] <Able_Tome> Al is willing to abuse power and exploit entire guard structure to kill of one person

[00:30:17] <Able_Tome> Entire guard structure, Liven

[00:30:23] <Liven> A person who could have put the entire town at risk

[00:30:26] <Able_Tome> Literally several people ganging against one person

[00:30:38] <Liven> If that's what it takes

[00:30:58] <Able_Tome> Then why did he faked the documents then, mm?

[00:31:11] <Able_Tome> WHy is he lying?

[00:31:27] <Able_Tome> Why won't he simply say that -he- thought that -this- should've been done?

[00:31:33] <Able_Tome> Because he's a coward.

[00:31:52] <Able_Tome> He can't step out of his own shadow and present his believes.

[00:32:00] <Able_Tome> He's afraid of the judgement

[00:32:09] <Liven> Because the truth would cause chaos, cause unrest.

[00:32:23] <Liven> Because sometimes people in power need to hide what's been done for the good of the people

[00:32:26] <Able_Tome> The truth would only put -him- into question.

[00:32:42] <Liven> No one would trust him or the guard

[00:32:46] <Able_Tome> And those who were executing his orders.

[00:33:33] <Able_Tome> But ultimately that's what happened isn't it? He chose the road to let guards have blood on their hands. He chose to hide truth that -guards- -were- doing wet job

[00:33:39] <Able_Tome> The structure was already corrupted.

[00:33:54] <Able_Tome> And >chaos like you've said, would've been well called for.

[00:34:22] <Liven> Do governemtns always divulge information of what their military does to the people?

[00:34:26] <Able_Tome> The moment all those oversights happened were moments of shame for guards

[00:34:29] <Able_Tome> Not honor

[00:35:01] <Able_Tome> In this case, Liven, one -part- of the government kept secrets from the majority of the government

[00:35:07] <Able_Tome> That's a rogue element in the structure

[00:35:15] <Able_Tome> And what do you do with rogue elements?

[00:35:18] <Able_Tome> You exterminate them,

[00:35:23] <Able_Tome> You reform them.

[00:35:28] <Liven> So you're caling for Al's extermination?

[00:35:45] <Able_Tome> Extermination of his position within government

[00:36:13] <Able_Tome> There is no place for a rogue element within government structure.

[00:36:13] <Liven> Who else could do his job? He's got the expierence and, for the most part, the will of the poeple behind him.

[00:36:35] <Able_Tome> >The will of the people

[00:36:38] <Able_Tome> Populism

[00:36:59] <Able_Tome> Buzzwords. There are other people who can take the job.

[00:37:04] <Liven> That's how governemtns are run. That's the way people are.

[00:37:11] <Liven> Who else do you think can do his job?

[00:37:38] <Able_Tome> OOCly? Alerderna

[00:37:54] <Able_Tome> But that thing that he done in the town hall ICly puts a big question mark

[00:38:03] <Liven> He has to split his duties between the guard and the clinic; he'd had to give up one.

[00:38:15] <Able_Tome> OOCly Aler actually keeps the structure running

[00:38:31] <Able_Tome> All sheets, all records, holds OOC meeting sessions

[00:38:40] <Able_Tome> While Dente is having >fun with waifu

[00:38:51] <Able_Tome> Then Aler will leave the clinic.

[00:39:04] <Able_Tome> He will hold the councillor's post

[00:39:07] <Able_Tome> it's a personal choice

[00:39:08] <Liven> So Al shouldn't be permitted to have fun in this game?

[00:39:36] <Able_Tome> IC Al should not be permitted to be within a governmental structure for creating rogue elements

[00:39:49] <Able_Tome> That is all.

[00:40:02] <Liven> Which is why you think he should be locked up?