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Lucyne and Sleeves argue for 30 min

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  1. [22:03:57] <Lucyne> And also, I have run this by a dozen people including Bacon, so you can trust I'm not trying to gain advantages but tell a story.
  2. [22:05:12] <Lucyne> You know how vicious Bacon can be, heh
  3. [22:12:04] <GreenSleeves> Okay, that doesn't sound NEARLY as bad as I thought it was. Encroaching a little too much on special-snowflake territory for my tastes, but if you got that past Bacon I think I can try and accept it. That being said, you still ought to be posting these things in the thread. Not spoilers, but the face-value narrative as it unfolds, becuase otherwise no one has any idea what is going on.
  4. [22:12:31] <Lucyne> Well, most of 4C already knows this
  5. [22:12:53] <Lucyne> And I don't like spoiling unless directly asked so that it is more satisfying to hunt for IC
  6. [22:13:19] <Lucyne> I know it sounds 'special snowflake' but come on, I'm not that type of gal, I'm trying to tell a story, I'm a GM after all
  7. [22:14:11] <Lucyne> And the ride has only just begun~
  8. [22:14:45] <GreenSleeves> I've got no reason to care about what happens to you IC, but what you do IC can effect what happens to me IC, so I need to know OOC about these things. I hate to pull the #innercircle argument here, but you are one of the high-rollers, so what you say or do, or what happens to you affects everyone else even if they aren't part of your personal spehere of influence.
  9. [22:15:13] <Lucyne> Well, I can argue if Sleeves burns down the inn, it affects me too.
  10. [22:15:31] <GreenSleeves> And if I burned down the Inn it'd be posted in the thread.
  11. [22:15:40] <Lucyne> I try to keep everyone informed, but I can't keep a log on my every IC action
  12. [22:15:51] <Lucyne> Nonsense, no one posts in the thread such things
  13. [22:15:57] <Lucyne> The goats, the bandits...
  14. [22:15:58] <GreenSleeves> We used to.
  15. [22:16:16] <Lucyne> We used to from time to time, but there was no must
  16. [22:16:34] <Lucyne> If you interact with Lucy IC, you get that much of the story, if you want to be spoiled about more OOC, just ask
  17. [22:16:51] <Lucyne> I don't actively spoil because many do enjoy prying me for the story IC
  18. [22:17:24] <Lucyne> GM at heart, ya know?
  19. [22:20:37] <GreenSleeves> Listen, I'm not saying you can't have some complex story and all that, I'm just saying that you've got some extra responsibilities to mind to if you want to do that. Your decisions, especially as a GM basically decide things for the four cannon canon. I don't know why just about everyone accepts your word absolute, but they do. Keeping that in mind, you
  20. [22:20:55] <GreenSleeves> 've got to hold youself to a higher regard and keep people informed of at least eh basics
  21. [22:21:10] <Lucyne> Oh please, I am not NEARLY as important as you make me out to be
  22. [22:21:30] <GreenSleeves> Do you remember the shitstorm when you "died"
  23. [22:21:35] <Lucyne> But I swear, Bacon knows of EVERYTHING I do, and I tell many casually as things go along and answer any questions
  24. [22:21:38] <Lucyne> I do
  25. [22:22:25] <GreenSleeves> Just pointing that out as proof of your importance. If I fell in a hole do you think everyone would run to save me?
  26. [22:22:38] <GreenSleeves> Not nearly as many people would care.
  27. [22:22:40] <Lucyne> But that was IC importance you see
  28. [22:22:54] <Lucyne> I was legitimately surprised anyone but a few select cared
  29. [22:23:07] <Lucyne> You have to differntiate between Lucy IC and me, the player
  30. [22:24:06] <Lucyne> And as a GM, I ruin peoples fun if I tell them everything right away OOC, so I stay secretive at time
  31. [22:24:16] <Lucyne> What fun would there be in me giving away all plot points in the thread?
  32. [22:29:58] <GreenSleeves> I'm not saying you need to tell everyone everything in advanve. I'm just saying that you should post what is going on in a manner such that people can understand what has happened, not what will happen. Asuming I wasn't explained to why you were immortal, I would say that it sounded like the most powergaming canon-breaking thing that has happened so far in the thread. Removing that extra level...
  33. [22:30:24] <GreenSleeves> of obscuirty would help people to at least start to form proper opinions of what is happening.
  34. [22:30:53] <Lucyne> Posting my daily IC happenings to the thread? That sounds like massive dramawhoring to me
  35. [22:31:06] <GreenSleeves> Fuck no.
  36. [22:31:10] <Lucyne> Yes it is
  37. [22:31:20] <GreenSleeves> Just after you GM some kind of major event or something
  38. [22:31:27] <Lucyne> But I always do that
  39. [22:31:39] <GreenSleeves> (Fuck no to posting it, not denying that it is dramawhoring)
  40. [22:31:40] <Lucyne> I discussed all my major events actively
  41. [22:31:54] <Lucyne> How you don't know of this surprises me
  42. [22:31:58] <Lucyne> Since most of 4C knows
  43. [22:32:10] <GreenSleeves> one moment.
  44. [22:32:10] <Lucyne> And I kept this secret purposefully, because it is an IC secret
  45. [22:33:20] <GreenSleeves> I don't know these things because no one posts them in the thead.
  46. [22:33:28] <GreenSleeves> Do you see where I'm getting with this?
  47. [22:33:32] <Lucyne> It was kept a secret purposefully
  48. [22:33:41] <Lucyne> Look, let me just say one thing
  49. [22:34:25] <Lucyne> I spend about 8-12 hours a day on 4C(lel, pathetic me), and I hardly get a minute IC now a days because I have to spend so much time discussing plot, ironing out lore, helping people OOC and fixing rules
  50. [22:34:37] <Lucyne> I am the LAST person that would ever want to be unfair to you, or anyone of 4C
  51. [22:35:39] <Lucyne> And if I can, I will rectify anything I can to make it seem fairer to you, but I am very sick irl and haven't GMd any major happening since LucyQuest
  52. [22:39:46] <GreenSleeves> I spend just about 6-9 hours a day on it and I still have no clue what is going on when it comes to you and group. The lack of transparency is infuriating. This is why the whole
  53. "inner circle" thing started. Too many people only get the slightest glimpse into what is going on with those who are in it. I don't want you to be fairer to me, I want you to be more transparent with everyone, for the...
  54. [22:39:55] <GreenSleeves> sake of dispelling segregation in the community.
  55. [22:40:25] <Lucyne> Well, I know NOTHING of your group
  56. [22:40:47] <Lucyne> Segregation is a natural thing, irl, you don't know what everyone in the bar has done today, or with their lives
  57. [22:41:19] <Lucyne> If you want to know about my story or get involved, you are gladly invited to do so, but I am only human.
  58. [22:42:22] <Lucyne> Should you post Sleeves important things to the thread?
  59. [22:42:30] <Lucyne> Or have to inform every single player about them?
  60. [22:42:34] <GreenSleeves> Because there is noting TO know. The difference here is that if I did something with implications to the canon, I'd be shot down. Remember how quickly people labeled Silver a powergamer when he started "importing" items? You don't have to worry about that stuff, and that is why you need to be more transparent.
  61. [22:43:21] <GreenSleeves> My actions affect very few IC and OOC, yours affect many more.
  62. [22:43:37] <Lucyne> You are using false equivalency
  63. [22:43:42] <Lucyne> You COULD affect canon
  64. [22:43:45] <Lucyne> Just talk to Bacon about it
  65. [22:43:51] <Lucyne> And GM an epic mega-venture
  66. [22:44:37] <Lucyne> I can with great confidence say I am the most transparent GM if not player in all of 4C, I try my utmost
  67. [22:44:37] <GreenSleeves> I could, yes, but I don't. You do.
  68. [22:44:52] <Lucyne> And I DO rise to the responsibility
  69. [22:45:00] <Lucyne> With all I as a mere mortal human can
  70. [22:45:30] <Lucyne> I forked over the whole plot with spoilers the minute you asked
  71. [22:53:37] <GreenSleeves> Don't misunderstand me, I'm greatful that you were so fourthcoming with that information. Im just a bit scared. You've added a bunch of stuff into canon at an alarming rate, and some if it did admitting irk me a bit, but without any GLOBAL transparency how am I supposed to know that you aren'l going to pull some weird shit from left field. You have a lot of power in that area, but I don't know...
  72. [22:53:59] <Lucyne> I'm...sorry
  73. [22:54:05] <Lucyne> I snapped at you, that was unfair
  74. [22:54:16] <Lucyne> It's just...I'm so tired of people distrusting me
  75. [22:54:22] <Lucyne> Even if it's justified
  76. [22:54:31] <GreenSleeves> what exists as a check to that power. Thread posts work because everyone can see something (and call bullshit) but I can understand you wanting to keep secrets.
  77. [22:54:33] <Lucyne> I've had this exact argument a dozen times since LucyQuest
  78. [22:54:46] <GreenSleeves> ^then why not POST about it.
  79. [22:55:04] <Lucyne> But I HAVE
  80. [22:55:10] <Lucyne> You must have missed the posts
  81. [22:55:24] <Lucyne> LucyQuest was discussed on the thread, other than the secrets
  82. [22:55:31] <Lucyne> Such as who the Others are and Lucy's condition
  83. [22:55:38] <GreenSleeves> If you let everyone understand that there was some group you run stuff by, and who that group was, I'd feel much better.
  84. [22:55:53] <Lucyne> Hm, I see
  85. [22:56:02] <Lucyne> You know, I value your opinion just as much as any others
  86. [22:56:13] <Lucyne> And I do run everything by Bacon and whoever else is around
  87. [22:56:24] <Lucyne> But I don't like to do it with too many because they may one day be part of it IC
  88. [22:57:56] <Lucyne> I can understand the distrust, the fear I would fuck up the lore
  89. [22:58:17] <Lucyne> But please know I try my very, very best not to
  90. [23:02:16] <GreenSleeves> Alright. I don't necessarily agree with you on some of the point's you've made, but I can understand where you are arguing from. I'm going to trust that you don't kill the lore (not that I have the power to do otherwise). Please don't make me regret that. And I sincerely appologise for attacking you like this, I just don't want to see things go down the drain.
  91. [23:02:40] <Lucyne> No, please, I am in the wrong
  92. [23:02:45] <Lucyne> It is your JOB to attack me
  93. [23:02:59] <Lucyne> Who else is there to keep me in check but the players?
  94. [23:18:59] <GreenSleeves> I think you should post about what we've discussed in the thread. Not the spoilers, but our argument on the issue of transparency. I know I feel a little better about what you do now that I've heard what you had to say, and it'd save you from having to have this argument again any time soon. Maybe even post the (spoilers censored) log if you wanted to.
  95. [23:19:00] <GreenSleeves> I'd do it myself (with your hypothetical permission) but #BackgroundPony, no one listens to me.
  96. [23:19:29] <GreenSleeves> Just a suggestion.
  97. [23:19:34] <Lucyne> That is nonsense
  98. [23:19:48] <Lucyne> Post it in the thread and it will be read as much as if I would post it
  99. [23:20:00] <Lucyne> But I will if you wish
  100. [23:20:36] <GreenSleeves> I'll write something up if you think it'll get read. I did suggest it, so I don't mind.
  101. [23:21:02] <Lucyne> You may freely do, I'd appreciate it a LOT, even
  102. [23:21:15] <GreenSleeves> Okay, don't you worry then. I'll post something.
  103. [23:21:25] <Lucyne> If it saves me any nerve, I am very thankful
  104. [23:21:45] <Lucyne> As long as you don't slander me or something, lel
  105. [23:21:57] <Lucyne> But I think we understand and respect each others views
  106. [23:22:30] <GreenSleeves> I won't. I'll try and be objective. I am going to include the log of this conversation, sans spoilers, though.
  107. [23:22:36] <GreenSleeves> (unless you don't want me to)
  108. [23:23:36] <Lucyne> I did say some things I regret, mostly due to tiredness and false assumptions, but I said them and therefor I should be responsible for them
  109. [23:24:18] <Lucyne> You were in the right for doubting me, really you were. I'm just...tired.
  110. [23:24:36] <Lucyne> Well, you not only were but are still in the right for doubting me
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