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[19:14]  * Lucyne read that log

[19:14] <Lucyne> Sorry bro

[19:14] <Lucyne> IC does as IC does

[19:14] <Lucyne> And seriously >allying with Curi

[19:14] <GreenHoof> Which log? And yeah, I know IC things are a lot different than they appear,

[19:15] <Lucyne> You sorta lost all my trust

[19:15] <GreenHoof> OOC?

[19:15] <Lucyne> Yea

[19:15] <GreenHoof> Because of the Curi thing?

[19:15] <Lucyne> ANd soon enough IC, since she will team up with Able

[19:15] <Lucyne> Yep

[19:15] <Lucyne> I can't condone allying with a psychopat

[19:16] <Lucyne> I want 4C to be a nice place, not run by the mafia

[19:16] <GreenHoof> Is Curi really a psychopath?

[19:16] <Lucyne> Are you serious?

[19:16] <Lucyne> I have never in my life seen such a blatantly obvious case

[19:17] <Lucyne> I don't know that IC ofc

[19:17] <GreenHoof> I'm no psycologist... But IC all I know is she wants to help her family.

[19:17] <GreenHoof> OOC, things are different.

[19:17] <Lucyne> >family

[19:17] <Lucyne> Yea, about that mafia

[19:18] <GreenHoof> You think Green Hoof is a mobster....?

[19:18] <Lucyne> IC, she is getting that vibe from Able

[19:18] <Lucyne> She doesn't know yet

[19:19] <Lucyne> >wanting to dissolve the council

[19:19] <GreenHoof> But OOC

[19:19] <GreenHoof> ?

[19:19] <Lucyne> That's some bad vibes

[19:19] <Lucyne> I don't know what to think, that pastebin gave me chills

[19:19] <GreenHoof> The one with Curi?

[19:19] <Lucyne> Yea

[19:19] <Lucyne> We'll see how IC goes, but she is definitely confused and dissapointed in the council

[19:20] <GreenHoof> Green Hoof has no loyalty to Curiousity. He wants Al Dente to stay on the council because he is a friend, a friend that's saved his life before. If you read that pastebin, you'd have seen that Green Hoof said that he wouldn't help Curiousity if it conflicts with his interests.

[19:21] <Lucyne> >I want him in power because he is a friend and I owe him one

[19:21] <Lucyne> Green...that is what a mobster is...

[19:21] <Lucyne> Like, exactly what a mobster is

[19:22] <GreenHoof> If Al really did wrong, I wouldn't support him. But did he really?

[19:22] <Lucyne> Yes

[19:22] <GreenHoof> It seemed to me like he just took care of a problem.

[19:22] <Lucyne> No he didn't

[19:22] <GreenHoof> Please, explain to me your logic.

[19:22] <Lucyne> He broke rules, was corrupt, and sanctioned unlawful ethics

[19:22] <Lucyne> He did not let the council look into his business

[19:22] <Lucyne> also curi just uses him as a doormat

[19:23] <GreenHoof> You mean having Cliffjumper assassinated?

[19:23] <Lucyne> Yes, he can't even read Equestrian and just signs whatever he is handed

[19:23] <GreenHoof> Hoof doesn't know about that IC.

[19:23] <Lucyne> He is vastly incompetent, and that meeting alone should have shown alone in his demeanor how untrustworthy he is

[19:23] <Lucyne> He only spat and flamed at Able on /v/ level

[19:24] <Lucyne> While Able had rational, well researched points

[19:24] <GreenHoof> I left during the middle of that meeting. Hoof has lost faith in the council.

[19:24] <Lucyne> Making him a loose cannon and a dissapointment, he shouldn't have taken it up if he can't take a political fight

[19:25] <Lucyne> Running away from a problem is corruption, too

[19:26] <GreenHoof> Hoof was disgusted witht the bickering.

[19:26] <Lucyne> That is a weak excuse to tolerate crime for

[19:26] <Lucyne> That's how the mob gets big, the politicians ignore it because it's a mess to handle

[19:27] <Lucyne> <@Able_Tome> "That they are bloody -owners- of a position that was entrusted to them by town. Dente and mates continue to sing their song about -me- trying to take Guards or a post under control, when all I want is this filth ridden behavior to be ridden, pardon for rhethoric. We are not there to own or command or exploit things behind others backs... we are there to self-regulate ourselves,

[19:27] <Lucyne> <@Able_Tome> keep this uncooperative behavior out of town hall's room and bring a semblance of order and law... How the hell can I trust someone when I get a person sneak up here impersonating a guard, -commanding- a 'protege', claiming to be guard captain's associate and then... then without trial or anything be released scotts free after -she- was digging information around under the cover

[19:27] <Lucyne> <@Able_Tome> of guard's department?"

[19:27] <Lucyne> <@Able_Tome> "Worst are other cases with removing the citizen out of the town without due trial on one individual's conscience without even giving a chance to this person to bring the case up."

[19:27] <Lucyne> <@Able_Tome> "And then they sing about us being 'inefficient' and try to dismantle the structure which will only facilitate the unchecked use of power like that."

[19:27] <Lucyne> Basically my opinion too

[19:29] <Lucyne> <@Able_Tome> "Science seat's business is everyone's business, Guard's business is everyone's business... no one owns this place besides the town.", he motions his hoof across the room.

[19:29] <Lucyne> Yea, guess who Mint is allying with

[19:29] <Lucyne> #democracy

[19:29] <GreenHoof> The Al Dente case had *nothing* to do with my proposal to dissolve the council. I wanted the council dissolved and individual departments to control their fields, with perhaps a mayor to coordinate efforts.

[19:29] <Lucyne> Aka you want a dictator to control the armed forces

[19:29] <Lucyne> good idea

[19:30] <GreenHoof> wat? No, that's not at all what I want.

[19:30] <Lucyne> individual departments to control their fields

[19:30] <Lucyne> aka Al controls the guards

[19:30] <Lucyne> unopposed

[19:30] <Lucyne> Hey if you want to give up your council spot, can I have it?

[19:32] <GreenHoof> No, not unopposed. You're assuming that I'm inherently defending Al's position. In the long run, I can deal with Al losing it, even if I lose my guard protection. It's not a big deal. You know Al didn't want me to propose disbanding the council because he'd lose any support? I wasn't proposing disbanding it so departments would control themselves without challenge.

[19:33] <Lucyne> That's how you are explaining it, though

[19:34] <Lucyne> Sorry if I misunderstand

[19:34] <GreenHoof> The opium deal can be done without Al as guard captain, though it might potentially prevent problems in the future because he's already agreed to it. However, opium has legitimate medical uses that the Equestrians would probably buy (although that's a situation for the meta council entirely) and Hoof can ultimately deal without Al, Curiousity, and anyone except Sleeves.

[19:35] <Lucyne> You sound more like a mobster the more you talk

[19:35] <GreenHoof> How?

[19:35] <Lucyne> You sound like a criminal conspiring to overthrow the government

[19:35] <Lucyne> Well, you sort of are, technically

[19:37] <GreenHoof> I'm not conspiring to overthrow the government. I plan to use my council seat to further the interests of Maritime in Four Cannon, and ensure that the people I care about live happily. In fact, that government's stability and well-being are necessary to what I want.

[19:38] <Lucyne> I know, but your ways of describing it and achieving the goals seem...unkosher

[19:38] <Lucyne> Especially anywehre Curi is involved

[19:40] <GreenHoof> Eh... I can understand where you're coming from with Curi, and I intend to keep her at arms length. I don't know how much Able pastebinned and linked you, but Hoof's whole premise for talking to her was to gather information on the situation, and nothing more. She's pretty much proven useless, though, and as more evidence comes in, Al will appear more and more corrupt. Ultimately Hoof will sit on the sidelines and let all of this play out by itself.

[19:40] <Lucyne> I understand you and your motivations, and I hope for the best

[19:41] <Lucyne> Don't take any of the IC distrust personal, Mint just wants the best

[19:41] <Lucyne> She may just talk to you calmly and try to figure out how to solve it together

[19:41] <GreenHoof> I can tell you've lost faith in me, IC and OOC.

[19:41] <Lucyne> IC is currently at "He wouldn't do that"

[19:41] <Lucyne> OOC is at "WEEEEEE I FUCKING LOVE INTRIGUE!"

[19:42] <Lucyne> kek

[19:43] <GreenHoof> Lucyne, I consider you a close friend both OOC and IC. I'm no mobster, and I don't hurt people.

[19:44] <Lucyne> I consider you a close friend in both cases too, and I am sure that IC will be able to talk it through with you and solve any distrust, but Able will feed her paranoia for sure. OOC, I see what you mean, but I disagree with your methods

[19:45] <GreenHoof> How do you disagree with my meethods?

[19:45] <GreenHoof> methods*

[19:46] <Lucyne> Or lets say, the way you explain them, maybe

[19:46] <Lucyne> Maybe you mean well but I am misunderstanding

[19:46] <GreenHoof> I don't like for there to be misunderstanding...

[19:46] <GreenHoof> I am honest, I don't hide things.

[19:47] <Lucyne> The way it looks to me, you want to disrupt a political system, making it more shit, so that you can call it more shit, so more people think it's shit, so it is disbanded, so your friends can have more power

[19:47] <Lucyne> and that doesn't strike muh democrat heart right

[19:50] <GreenHoof> If that's how it appeared to me, I'd feel the same way. But I don't want it "disbanded" in the sense that there be no government. If there has to be the council we have now or no government at all, I'd rather what we have now. You know what? Fuck it. I'm going to just distance myself from this as much as I can IC. I will take care of my family as much as I can, but I'm not touching the Al Dente thing with a mile long pole.

[19:52] <Lucyne> That's sorta meta now...

[19:53] <Lucyne> Sorry I didn't want to make you upset

[19:56] <GreenHoof> Don't be sorry. I'm sorry that I made you think I'm a mobster. It's not meta, Hoof never wanted to get the people he cared about caught up in shady business, and the conversation with Curiousity made him realize that there's a threshold that shouldn't be crossed.

[19:58] <Lucyne> I guess, hm

[19:58] <Lucyne> I almost regret it because I am enjoying conspiring against the conspiracy so much HUE

[19:59] <GreenHoof> Well, I don't like my close friends thinking I'm an anti-democratic evil criminal, so please don't use me as your evil conspiracy to fight against.

[20:00] <GreenHoof> I fucked up. I shouldn't have gotten involved in this in the first place.

[20:01] <Lucyne> Well, but IC you don't know any of this

[20:01] <Lucyne> And I am quite sure if mint and hoof would talk only briefly , they would both come to the same conclusion anyways

[20:01] <Lucyne> Curi and her harem on the other hand, including Dente, more !!fun!!

[20:03] <GreenHoof> Ugh... maybe I'm obsessing over this, but now I feel like I've been assigned as the bad guy in this situation. That I'm just a dirty mafiosi.

[20:04] <Lucyne> I wouldn't go that far, but I feel IC you are a bit...misguided I guess, or just should have not gone into politics

[20:05] <GreenHoof> That's exactly what I mean. But right now all I want is to further the interests of my family and that of maritime trade in Four Cannon.

[20:06] <Lucyne> Which is a well intentioned goal

[20:06] <GreenHoof> Hell, I'd really like to have an IC talk with you and Able to straighten all this out. I know it seems meta, but I suspect this entire situation wouldn't be to the level it is right now if it weren't for meta.

[20:06] <Lucyne> even so >further the interests of my family

[20:06] <Lucyne> hue

[20:07] <GreenHoof> Right, and the road to hell is paved with good intentions, I know that.

[20:07] <Lucyne> If Mint is fed more paranoia, she will seek out Hoof