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| Gentle_Coltte_of_Leisure #1437398 1 month ago |
Where these results at? |
| Verbose #1437402 1 month ago |
Hey all. I've just finished the analysis of survey data from a few months ago with the help of opspe from Know Your Meme, and we think we've done a pretty good job with it. I certainly made mistakes in the survey, but I believe in the results despite those errors. It's pretty big: over 30 pages of reporting and write-up, but you can just scan to the graphs as well, if you're interested. Most of the conclusions contradict the Brony Study by Drs. Edwards and Redden, but we're confident that we make a better case than they do in that respect.
Anyway. I'm trying to get feedback for it. What's good, what's bad, what could be tweaked or just flat out changed...basically, what could change about the methodology to make the survey better. Off of the top, I've already gotten comments about choices I omitted and the phrasing of some of the questions and choices. Those I will change, but it can't hurt to hear them again. I'm open to constructive criticism. I'll need to be to get even better, more representative data. I'd also like to run the survey again, as I hinted before. I'd like to present this on more sites than just EqD (e.g., here, Ponychan, /mlp/, reddit) because I'm positive the results would be different. So with that in mind, let me have it. Thanks. Also, I'd like to talk about the data itself. Black people may be more likely to like Applejack? Who knew? So you can talk about that too if you want. |
| FeralSocks018 #1437404 1 month ago |
What link? |
| Verbose #1437411 1 month ago |
I'm not great at uploading. Or timing things up. Or remembering to put that in the sources when I uploaded it.
[url=http://www.scribd.com/doc/94234033/Survey-of-the-Brony-Subculture?secret_password=1sp635ec6hgf732hllms[/url] |
| Verbose #1437416 1 month ago |
This could have gone more fluidly.
Here we go. |
| FeralSocks018 #1437426 1 month ago |
Here you go. |
| FeralSocks018 #1437429 1 month ago |
Damn stupid slow posting comments. |
| Gittonsxv #1437443 1 month ago |
its a good read, lots of info on stuff xD |
| Verbose #1437467 1 month ago |
Gittonsxv@1437443 said: It certainly has that. To be honest, it could have been twice as long, but it's not an article to be submitted to an academic journal, and we wanted it to be approachable. We only had 26 items, but since we combined pairs of them (and in opspe's PCAs, multiple items,) we could try to find associations between anything for dozens of graphs and tables. However, we've had this data for a while, and we wanted to get something out. |
| RepentantAnon #1437481 1 month ago |
interesting results, though nothing unexpected |
| Dumb_Rock #1437495 1 month ago |
>mfw Favorite of the Mane Six amongst Homosexual Respondents. |
| Verbose #1437529 1 month ago |
RepentantAnon@1437481 said: Not by themselves, no. You're right. But they contradict the conclusions of the Brony Study, and that's part of why we wanted to present them. The Brony Study was intentionally trying to disprove myths about the fandom. Now we don't really want to make us look bad either, but given that we had scientific hats on for this, we wanted a lack of bias. So where the Brony Study said that we weren't gay, that's a very shallow interpretation of the data. Of course, we wouldn't be all or mostly homosexual, but we certainly differ in sexual orientation statistics from a nationally representative population. They did not report that among many other things. Thanks for the feedback so far. |
| EricNeoMatrix #1437968 1 month ago |
Cool, I remember taking this survey myself and I didn't think the results were ever gonna be shown. |
| Anonymous #1438075 1 month ago |
You really make too many conclusions with really tiny values when it come to favorite pony by orientation, homo and pan don't provide enought answers to make credibles conclusions about them (3 people can make 5% difference).
You also says that perception of R34 do not differ greatly from grimdark, but the I don't tolerate it is almost double for R34 than grimdark/gore. It's a big difference and im sure those who discuss the morality of R34 vs violence will debate about it. Equestria daily is also often show as the lair of the strongest anti-(R34/shipping) here on ponibooru, so having a study of favorite pony website and attitude toward this question could be a good thing but you mention it at the end. And if I can say, I hope it will do something like do you love or not this caracter next time. So many seem unloved on favorite background pony when they got many second and third place. Also please forgive the many mistakes I surely did in this comment, I'm not native english and I don't make big comment like this often. |
| Anonymous #1438093 1 month ago |
^ To be honest when I type the last line it was looking bigger in the little text box to post comment. |
| Verbose #1438489 1 month ago |
@Anon 075
Thanks for the comments. I really appreciate them. Yeah, it's hard to conclude with any certainty about those who responded as homosexual or pansexual, because those numbers were small. If we had more of those respondents, then it could have been shown to be something different. You're right on that. They may not have been statistically significant differences from our comparison data, but they were different. When I ran the chi-squared analyses, I removed small counts in cells from the analysis with that in mind, but opspe (co-author) decided to draw conclusions from that. I trust his judgement on principal component analysis. As for the R34 and grimdark/gore statistics, about half responded that they "do not enjoy" it for both items. In that sense, they don't vary much. We did note that it was more polarizing, specifically that more people felt strongly against R34 than they did for grimdark and gore. I think that was a fair conclusion to make. As for an item to see if a background or secondary character is loved or not, that may be practically difficult to add. We'd need an item for each background character, and that would add 30-50 items in addition to the ones we have and the ones we need to add (e.g., with what Pony community do you most identify? Ponibooru, EqD, Ponychan, KYM, etc.) I did consider creating an individual score or ordinal item for each episode, but that's something I'm still considering. In any case, you have a point there as well. Picking a favorite doesn't say anything about who's liked. It just says who's a favorite. If we already have a ton of items for the next survey, then we'll have to consider coming up with a way to score ponies instead of making respondents choose. |
| Anonymous #1439208 1 month ago |
Thank for answering and for the loved pony, you can consider a multiple votes system where favorite got 3 points 2nd 2 and 3rd 1. That way you still can merge all their data together instead of having results for each one individualy. |
| mathprofbrony #1439722 1 month ago |
You should define ponysexuality for the reader.
The shocking finding for me was that half of us don't enjoy Rule 34 / pornographic content. I bet a bunch of those who say they didn't were lying, but obviously I can't be sure of that. Also interesting that grimdark and r34 fans tend not to overlap. If possible you might wish to compare favorite episodes' airing dates to the times the survey was taken, to account for a recency effect. I suspect people remembered more recent episodes better. And on a personal note, my age is above the upper inflection point on the Poisson distribution. I am officially a relative geezer in this fandom. |
| Anonymous #1439925 1 month ago |
I may look like I comment much here but this show interest.
I thought about people lying about not-finding the pony attrative too at first (the ponysexuality is badly present in the results, like an exclusive attration) but on the other hand I suppose that many of them was influence to not take the survey so I wouldn't go for the massive lies explanation. Some of them must have lie since 19.05% said they find it stimulating at the ''do you enjoy r34?'' question but 13.14% said yes at ponysexual question but this could results of the way question was made. The fact that r34 fans and grimdark/gore tend to not overlap was interresting too but predictable. Their have a relatively strong opposition, and they rant each others often in comment sections. I wonder if they were expect to overlap or not. |
| Interior_Gummy #1440090 1 month ago |
Objectively, how can MLP:FiM be the best show ever? That just seems...naive. |
| Verbose #1450038 1 month ago |
Blah, I meant to keep an eye on the comments. Sorry about that.
Anonymous@1439208 said: That's not a bad idea. I may have to incorporate that some way into the new items. mathprofbrony That username isn't intimidating at all. Haha. I did define it for the questionnaire, but you're right. I don't think I defined it in the article. I'll be sure to do that in the next write-up. I think that's something you'd see among all groups of people, the R34/grimdark differences. People feel like sex is much worse than sexual content for reasons beyond me. You can show cartoony gore and it just be crude. But you can't show animated sex even for humor. I think people feel more strongly about sexual content with ponies than they do about gore/grimdark. And yes. The next survey will have an automatic control for recency: the questionnaire will be distributed before Season 3 begins. Of course, the last episodes of Season 2 will be closer, but it won't be a just a couple of weeks removed either. |
| Verbose #1450092 1 month ago |
Anon 925
Yeah, the difference in percentages is interesting. It could be due to people not wanting to sexually identify but they can talk about their actions. Some studies show that people identify as straight even though they have sex with the same sex. It may be that. Interior_Gummy That's exactly what I wanted to use that item for. Did people who said it was the best show more likely to have strong opinions elsewhere? Is it associated with identification as a brony? I didn't run those crosstabulations, but I can with this data. However, it's more likely that I run it with better data from more diverse sampling in the next survey. (e.g., People here may tend to have a different approach to morality than those on EqD.) |
| Anonymous #1451137 1 month ago |
It's really sad that this post doesn't get all the attention he deserve. I had expect lot of interresting discussions on the results but only 3 people fav it and only few comment (all the previous anon comments are from me and I fav it in my browser).
I thought about grimdark recently and I think many of us are wrong by mixing grimdark and gore. Grimdark tend to be pony fighting a worthy evil like ''story of the blank'' in a mature story of adventure that may contain violence. Gore would be more like cupcake with suffering as the main part of the story or picture. If we take those difinition, lot of people can handle grimdark even if they reject gore or at least understand people who like it without associate it with mindless violence. For sexual content, you are right we have to expect lot of people to consider it worst that violence since it's the generally accepted stance and we should compare to a general value of population before conclude anything about this fandom being different from the rest of the population. I really like to know more about how the different part of this fandom work and can't wait to see more of those survey. I'll sure participate next time if it's open to unresgistered people. |