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| PipMan #1386993 2 months ago |
That assault rifle won't be much good when you're on the moon will it?
Rebel scum... |
| Wasteland_Filly #1387205 2 months ago |
^ Well, the moon's gravity are a bitch.. |
| Narko #1387257 2 months ago |
^ Actually the moon's low gravity will accentuate the velocity of the bullet allowing it to fly farther faster. In all likeliness the assault rifle will become more effective on the moon.
^^In a pony vs. human all out war, humans would decimate Celestia's archaic 'army'. Humans have a few eons of violence and war experience to back them up. Ponies haven't seen real disaster in a thousand years. |
| BluesXx #1387557 2 months ago |
But without oxygen the bullets wouldn't be able to fire in the first place... |
| Deserter #1387571 2 months ago |
Technically, they will. That is what the primers are for, how do you think guns fire when they're underwater? |
| Anonymous #1387799 2 months ago |
^ This. All the oxygen needed for the gun to fire is in the cartridge. This means guns can be fired on the moon or space. Actually, if I remember correctly, an old soviet space station wa armed with an autocannon to prevent hostile boarding. |
| Anonymous #1388616 2 months ago |
@Narko
I second the "humans would curbstomp ponies in a war" opinion. Seriously, look at the weapons we've seen them use/reference so far: medieval weapons/armor, various powerful spells not likely to be in widespread use, and maybe tamed or helpful wildlife. The magic and wildlife (such as dragons) might pose a slight problem, if you ignore the human talent for reverse-engineering things. Hell, we'd probably have magic-using super-soldiers within a month or two of first-contact, if we hadn't already been studying magic from afar beforehand. Plus, as Narko said, we have a lot more war experience than ponies would, mainly from beating the shit out of each other for eons over various (usually stupid) reasons. If we can fight ourselves like schizophrenics for millenia and come out better than before, I doubt a species that likely is small compared to us (My LITTLE Pony) and extremely disadvantaged would fare very well. It helps to remember the difference between their world and ours too, assuming the human vs. pony war would be an interdimensional alien invasion with us being the aliens. Their world is a lot lighter and softer than ours, which is actually bad for them in this scenario. They've lived in a world with magic, where love and friendship is enough to prevail thanks to this magic. Due to this magic, sadness and evil is less widespread, which makes them weaker to these things than we are. On the opposite end of the spectrum are us humans, who have had no magic of any kind and have had to adapt and survive without any magical solve-everything easy buttons, and are far tougher and more cunning as a result. Even positions in the food chain play a role in this, since they would have guided either species to different fields of expertise. Ponies are apparently herbivores, meaning they've never had to kill to eat, and would typically be the targets of predatory creatures. It seems their society developed around this as a result, being more peaceful and focused on creativity and individual happiness than on control or unity. This probably had an effect on their war-based tech too, resulting in extremely neglected war tech development. Humans, on the other hand, are omnivores, meaning we can not only eat plants, but we also can digest other creatures. This obviously resulted in a predatory instinct, as rarely will an animal lay down and gladly die for a predator. That predatory instinct drove us to conquer, make new weapons, and even fight one another when we so utterly outclassed our prey that we ourselves became the only enemy that could match us in strength. Now imagine all of those predatory instincts finally having a suitable, non-human target that could perceive their doom and try to fight back. Pretty effing scary for the ponies. On top of all these disadvantages for ponies is our sheer number, which likely is far higher than theirs. Approximately 7 billion humans live and breath at this moment. If even 100 million of us took to this sort of war, we'd probably grossly outnumber the ponies, being that their kingdom and society is only one of many, and even then looks pretty small. There might be a million or a multiple of them, and even then that doesn't account for reduced numbers due to only some being able to serve and fight. Pretty unfair odds for them. Just to put the cherry on top, we humans are fucking scary compared to ponies. Strange, hairless creatures that walk on two legs with what seem like backwards, broken legs, that can use technology as well as any magic and have conquered and obliterated their limitations to a degree where they can fly faster than any bird (or even pegasus), dive deeper than any mammal, move faster on the ground than previously thought possible, survive things that would kill most creatures by wearing special armor, and kill instantly with a single squeeze of a trigger and a steady aim. Even though ponies can fly, use magic, run fast, and do other things naturally that we can't without technology, with it we still have them unfathomably outclassed on all fronts. Even if you take away our technology, we're still damn tough and frightening, being predators at heart. We don't have claws, hard bone structures to bash with, or anything of the sort, but we can still use our digits to grab and tear, use pure brute strength to crush enemies, and use our cunning to outwit enemies as well. So, in a war between ponies and humans, the result would probably be humans ruling Equestria and ponies becoming a subservient species to humans, a la humans to the Combine in Half-Life 2. Whether or not we'd be total bastards while ruling their world like the Combine would be hard to tell. |
| PonieMarine #1388967 2 months ago |
^ HFY?
HFY !!!!! |
| Deserter #1389048 2 months ago |
^^ Now THAT'S a wall of text! |
| LPK #1450136 1 month ago |
tl;dr: Humans are really good at murder. |
| Anonymous #1450276 1 month ago |
A little too much HFY for my taste. A rebuttal, I may? Not that I really think the end is too different, but I disagree on a few key points, quotes in italics:
"Seriously, look at the weapons we've seen them use/reference so far: medieval weapons/armor, various powerful spells not likely to be in widespread use, and maybe tamed or helpful wildlife." There have been references to advanced technology, as well. Mention of tanks, for instance coming from Tank's name, as well as Rainbow Dash wanting a pet "as fast as a bullet," both from May the Best Pet Win. We've also seen a hydroelectric dam in Mysteruious Mare-Do-Well. Trains, too, have made multiple appearances, one pony powered and another coal powered, with a few unknown. Camouflage, too, has appeared paired with helmets. As for spells, there is Shining Armor's selective barrier, various Time Travel spells, and things like Want-It-Need-It that I see being most problematic, but I do agree they likely aren't in common use. I wouldn't underestimate Telekinesis, though, and we know ALL Unicorns have that. Now, tamed animals could be interesting considering the various magical creatures of Equestria, but we haven't seen very many. What we have seen, though, is Cerberus, with references to Tartarus. Who knows how that could turn out? Now, one thing the ponies have that we don't, and there isn't a perfect counter for? Weather control. Pegasi can put together any kind of weather they need to, including thunderstorms and blizzards, and could clear it up very quickly. And in addition to just being able to call up General Winter whenever, apparently any Pegasi can control lightning and make it strike on command. That alone gives them the ability to fight on their terms and dictate exactly when we'll be most disadvantaged. It's a tough counter, to be sure. "The magic and wildlife (such as dragons) might pose a slight problem, if you ignore the human talent for reverse-engineering things. Hell, we'd probably have magic-using super-soldiers within a month or two of first-contact, if we hadn't already been studying magic from afar beforehand. " I disagree, and am of the opinion that you're overestimating our ability to understand something completely unknown that we have no possible means of manipulating. That just requires too many assumptions. Their world works completely differently from ours. As for Dragons, well, a baby dragon is not even slightly bothered by lava and adults are presumably much tougher. I make no conclusions on that, though. "Their world is a lot lighter and softer than ours, which is actually bad for them in this scenario. They've lived in a world with magic, where love and friendship is enough to prevail thanks to this magic." I'm not so sure, since in their world friendship and such is able to be weaponized and I'd see no reason for that to change once humans are in it. The "quick fixes" don't just disappear. "It seems their society developed around this as a result, being more peaceful and focused on creativity and individual happiness than on control or unity. This probably had an effect on their war-based tech too, resulting in extremely neglected war tech development." However, there was a period where Pegasi were apparently very warlike, being ready to, "if necessary, conquer" the land that would become Equestria. The modern period is peaceful, but that doesn't necessarily mean war tech was neglected. Granted, we've only seen the Royal Guard using spears. However, their world has a few better predators than ours does, and they've had do deal with some very effective predators for millions of years. If our world was full of Manticores, Cockatrices, Windigoes, or Ursa Majors, I'm not so sure we'd have survived. (A beast that feeds on hate in our world? Ha, never warm again.) The ponies are prey in a world of predators, I think they can deal. Numbers, no argument. It'd be difficult to determine how many of them there are. "Just to put the cherry on top, we humans are fucking scary compared to ponies. Strange, hairless creatures that walk on two legs with what seem like backwards, broken legs, that can use technology as well as any magic..." Iron Will/Minotaurs. We wouldn't be the only bipeds in the world, especially considering the teen dragons and such. Again, on the predator front we're not that scary, being essentially less hairy apes, which certainly exist in the pony world. I'll just reiterate my doubts on our magical talents without horns rather that restating it. Even if it were possible, it'd be like discovering a whole new set of physics that only tangentially resembles our own and take years if not decades to fully understand, let alone use ourselves. With tech, sure we're better, but without? Ponies are simply tougher, I wouldn't try to argue that we could take them hand to hoof, because we can't. They're just as smart as we are, so I wouldn't bet on an auto-win there, either. I'm not saying the ponies could beat us, but I figure they could use the advocate. Ponies aren't the best at murder, but they can defend themselves and are pretty good at not having a war in the first place. (How popular would a war like this be, anyway?) lolwhatdidIjustspendanhourwriting |