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| Anonymous #1342091 2 months ago |
i was a bit surprised they just made twi have a brother all the sudden, but then against they made sweetiebelle and rarity sisters so.. |
| Anonymous #1342106 2 months ago |
I'd say that it was pretty much forced upon them, but at least they did an awesome job with it.
The whole relationship still felt kinda forced though. |
| Saint_Braeburn #1342114 2 months ago |
WHAT CANON?! |
| Anonymous #1342117 2 months ago |
@Anon106 Most everything in the episode felt forced, wish they established those characters at least a few episodes before, or else some people (like me) end up not caring about them and in turn not care about the finale. |
| Anonymous #1342120 2 months ago |
Your point fa- I mean OP? |
| RandomFanguy #1342124 2 months ago |
Little sisters look up to their big bros. That's the main message!! |
| ZORDON #1342125 2 months ago |
#1342091 Yeah, I was surprised too. Sweetie Belle and Rarity were, let's say, "paired" when the show was relatively young, and it made some sense. But, being in Ponyville for two years and not hearing anything from her brother? With Canterlot just there.
I don't mean to whine or complain, but it felt a bit forced. |
| Saint_Braeburn #1342127 2 months ago |
I think the ending of this Image should have read, "It would work just as fine, and it wouldn't mess to much with the FANON."
@Anon117 >Want's complex plots and established characters. >Watches show for kids. |
| Saint_Braeburn #1342130 2 months ago |
^
I just realized I should start using "stories" instead of "plots". |
| Anonymous #1342132 2 months ago |
Only issue would be that "Big Brother Best Friend Forever" rolls off the tongue better than "Big Cousin Best Friend Forever" in terms of pronunciation. |
| Saint_Braeburn #1342138 2 months ago |
^
Also "Big Cousin" sounds strangely perverted. |
| Anonymous #1342143 2 months ago |
@Saint_B That argument falls flat on its face when used for this show, this show has already done great jobs at establishing characters, the plot may not be Tolkien but pulling two major characters out of no where is not like this show. |
| Anonymous #1342147 2 months ago |
Shining Armor completely sucks, imo. I'll tell you how much he sucks - I can't even get off to incest of him and Twi because the suckiness of their "family" tie is so weak. And I am a big incest fan.
THAT'S how much he sucks. |
| GreyAcumane #1342148 2 months ago |
He's my cousin.
Oh? My BIG cousin. Ooooooohhhh... |
| Saint_Braeburn #1342149 2 months ago |
@Anon143
"this show has already done great jobs at establishing characters" Examples? |
| Anonymous #1342150 2 months ago |
No, I don't care that we didn't learn about her brother until now. He really wasn't important till now. When you meet people you don't tell them everything about you.
Applejack: Well hey, I'm Apple Jack of the Apple Family. Twilight: I'm Twilight I came form canterlot I like books! I have a brother and my foalsitter when I was little was a princess. Applejack: sure..... |
| Saint_Braeburn #1342163 2 months ago |
@Anon147
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| Anonymous #1342178 2 months ago |
I don't get this.
"We needed to know she had a brother before the episode he was in!" "why?" "So we could know that he existed." "How would this effect the plot of any other episode other than a tiny bit at the beginning of the first one?" "Well it wouldn't." "So...why is this important?" "I don't like new characters being introduced out of nowhere!" "But it was a surprise introduction for like a few seconds. Then you can just go "Oh she has a brother okay."" He wasn't important before this, so we don't NEED to know about him. EX: Anyone know what Fluttershy's family is like? No? Okay so has any Fluttershy episode required one member of her family to make it work. No. So ATM their existence is unimportant. |
| Anonymous #1342201 2 months ago |
^ But we don't know anything at all about FS's family, so anything would work here. However, we've seen Twi's parents, we know few things about her life in Canterlot etc., and Shining Armor kind of crashed in the middle of it all. |
| Saint_Braeburn #1342205 2 months ago |
^
We got a lineup of Applejack's family in episode 1, yet Braeburn still came out of nowhere. As did Rarity's Mother and Father. |
| Saint_Braeburn #1342207 2 months ago |
I guess I don't get what the big deal is because, my siblings are almost never brought in my conversations with my friends. |
| Anonymous #1342253 2 months ago |
you mean Fanon. |
| OHMURR #1342263 2 months ago |
>wouldn't mess too much with the canon
what exactly did it mess up? shining armor being twilight's brother hasn't contradicted anything shown up until then |
| Fronzel #1342266 2 months ago |
Braeburn is just a device to get the main cast to that other town and Rarity's parents are just a device to dump Sweetie Belle on Rarity for the episode.
Shining Armor isn't just a hook, he's Twilight's motivation for the whole first half. |
| Anonymous #1342275 2 months ago |
Butthurt about your fanons I see? Give it up. |
| Anonymous #1342278 2 months ago |
Braeburn doesn't make things seem odd when you consider how big AJ's family is. It's entirely possible that not everyone showed up there.
With Twilight, we already established that she was alone in terms of friends for her entire life. Then, all of a sudden, we see she had a brother and a sitter, two types of people one would generally think of as friends. Why would someone who already had those ties think it's silly to make more friends? It's not fanon when flashbacks, the pilot episodes, and the extended version of the main theme all say that Twilight didn't have socialize when she was younger nor did she want to. |
| Anonymous #1342296 2 months ago |
Shining Armor's absence in Twi's flashback can be explained(he is royal guard and he was kinda busy).
I'm more irritated with Cadance: princess, alicorn(with one spell, like some common unicorn) and...foalsitter for some random girl who at the point isn't related to Celestia. Looks like in Canterlot Princess duty includes performing odd jobs for commoners. What. |
| Anonymous #1342303 2 months ago |
^ Not gonna lie to you, having your brother and babysitter be your best friends is pretty sad and lonely. Everyone needs friends who don't have to care about them (like family usually does) |
| Saint_Braeburn #1342312 2 months ago |
^
Did they say when Cadence was Twilight's Foal Sitter? And I'm pretty sure the "make people fall in love" spell is a high level spell.Plus it's the only spell we saw her do. |
| Anonymous #1342319 2 months ago |
^ What do you mean when? When she was young, hence FOAlsitter. |
| Saint_Braeburn #1342322 2 months ago |
Ninja'd
That post was for @Anon296 Although @Anon303 makes a good point. |
| Anonymous #1342333 2 months ago |
The absence, maybe, but that still doesn't explain why she became so against having friends at the start of the series.
>When I was young I was too busy to make any friends >Such silliness did not seem worth the effort it expends You could argue they were going for a rhyme there that only served to help the flow of the theme rather than have any actual meaning (like the fudge it/budget line from Art of the Dress), but there's still the pilot episodes, where Twilight decides against going to a party because the idea of hanging out with others just seemed silly to her. If she hung out with her bro a lot when she was young, how did the mentality shift come about? Makes even less sense when they show Shining Armor seeing Twilight off in a flashback in the wedding episodes, implying that they never even had a disconnect until after the series started. |
| Everypony #1342335 2 months ago |
It doesn't change the plot anyways |
| Anonymous #1342348 2 months ago |
@Anon303
That's exactly the point. Someone who has ties would theoretically not think so lowly of them. If anything, you'd think she'd kill for the chance to make friends. Hell, she was invited to a party in ep 1. Not so sad or lonely there. |
| Anonymous #1342349 2 months ago |
1342333
Well I think there's a difference between you brother being your friend and a "real" friend. She doesn't like meeting NEW people. Her brother/foalsitter have been around since she was small, so they weren't really new. They were just there. |
| Yorec #1342360 2 months ago |
Anon303 does make a good point. Even if they were her friends when she was younger whose to say that they didn't drift apart when Twilight was older?
Twilight was studying in school, Shining Armor was probably training for the Royal Guards and Cadance was.... I don't know being a princess. They were all too busy to properly hang out together. Twilight was probably acquainted with other ponies though. Still doesn't mean she had friends. |
| Saint_Braeburn #1342368 2 months ago |
@Anon349 gets it.
I mean Twilight was friends with her parents, wasn't she? |
| Saint_Braeburn #1342371 2 months ago |
@Anon333
By chance are you an only-child? |
| Vree #1342419 2 months ago |
But then there wouldn't have been
LALALA I'M GONNA SING ABOUT MY SIBLING BEST FRIEND And then you wouldn't be to make her emotionally invested as much, which the plot needed. The audience wouldn't have cared as much either. |
| Anonymous #1342475 2 months ago |
I agree that he came out of nowhere but I don't mind it that much. That we never heared of him in Season 1 don't bother me that much, because they probably hadn't created him at that time.
However, I agree that it would've been nice if they had introduced him before the Wedding. Ok it was supposed to be a surprise, but come on, they visited Canterlot at least four times. And Twi never visited or mentioned her BBBFF? Not even at her birthday? |
| NonAnon #1342510 2 months ago |
The way I see it is Twilight really seems to avoid talking about her personal life.
Think about this: Canterlot is basically the royal seat of power for Equestria. It can be expected that only nobility and necessary workers (food/civil/etc) live there. Children who love to read go through books at a phenomenal rate. For filly Twilight to spend all her time reading, she'd need access to a good sized library. Shining Armor joins the royal guard, a common practice for noble-born sons. Cadence filly-sat Twilight and others, makes much more sense if we consider Twilight being from a noble house. Twilight was entered into the Royal Academy (Celestia's School for Gifted Unicorns, that's more than just a private school). That'd take serious cash, or a title. Her having a brother doesn't seem so out of left field when you consider how little Twilight shared about her home life. Plus, they've been out of contact long enough that Twi didn't even know he was dating Cadence long enough to get hitched. We can assume they haven't had much contact since she left for Ponyville. But again, I'd like to suggest that Twilight's been mum about her past because she didn't much care for being nobility. (Rarity would probably get weird, too) |
| TheLoneLampman #1342513 2 months ago |
You know, this could have been explained better if they had shown them drifting apart due to his more active role as a guard getting in the way. A bit of a cop-out, but at least it works in the series just fine. |
| Lurks-no-More #1342622 2 months ago |
*What* canon?
Anon333: "If she hung out with her bro a lot when she was young, how did the mentality shift come about?" There's a world of difference between hanging out with your cool big brother and your nice foalsitter and having friends of your own age. Just as there's a world of difference between having Spike as your "foster brother" and Princess Celestia as a maternal authority figure you almost literally worship, and having Applejack, Rainbow Dash, Rarity, Fluttershy and Pinkie Pie as your best friends. |
| Anonymous #1342632 2 months ago |
Oh poor fanon. Let me sing a sad song for you in the world smallest violing. |
| Kanrabat #1342672 2 months ago |
It suck that there was not some devlopments a few episodes back.
But the "cousin" thing would be worse. It mean a even BIGGER family to introduce. |
| Anonymous #1342687 2 months ago |
Curiously no one minded about Braeburn, Appelossa at whole, Gilda(who was best friend almost on sister level with RD), Rarity's parents, not talking about the origin of Spikes, the colors of his egg, and so on. Seem to me tha tht eonly problem is not so muhc the canon but the fanon that many people used to fill gaps in the plot(mostly because a sotry had to sya onyl stuff needed tot he story, unless you really plan ALL the episodes as a whole story, but that is easier for novel and written medium than for a TV series) |
| TheLoneLampman #1342911 2 months ago |
It's not the problem of them having siblings/parents/whatever and us not knowing about them, it's how they present that information. Shining and Cadance are quite fishy in that regard.
Aside from the minor issues with Spike, none of the other examples really cause any problems. Why Twilight was 'so very close' to her bbbff and supposedly keeps in near-constant contact with him is a pretty big thing to have ignored and avoided even in the slightest. Here's some more fuel for the fire. Why didn't Twilight suggest Cadance to the Cakes when they were looking for a babysitter? I mean, she's only THE BEST EVER, right? |
| TheLoneLampman #1342916 2 months ago |
(Damn, should have proof read that. "..ignored and avoided mentioning or showing even in the slighest". or something like that. I need sleep.) |
| CottonTales #1342995 2 months ago |
@TheLoneLampman
Because Twilight and him were growing apart; it happens no one even said they were in near constant contact Because Cadance is Celestia's niece, lives in Canterlot, and Twilight hadn't spoken with her in a while and didn't even know her full name...Twilight might of thought it a bit much to contact Celestia just to ask Cadance if she could babysit (I'm guessing she'd ask through Celestia they don't seem to have many ways of long distance communication and it was on short notice) |
| Anonymous #1343232 2 months ago |
This is a one shot slice of life show. We don't see what they do everyday (in fact, there are a ton of BG ponies that Twilight and Spike know that we never saw them being introduced before), and her friends seemed to already know about her brother. They seemed just as shocked as Twi was about the wedding. If it's not relevant to the plot, were not going to see it.
I mean, I have a brother, but when I meat new people, I don't talk about him unless it important for them to know, or they asked. Just blurting out "I got a brother" would be *so* forced. And your fanon is being crushed? Get over it, it happens with every episode. I get that you make up shit, but when the show comes up with a better idea, you should adapt, not cry about it. Do you know how many people HATED that episode just because it wasn't Nightmare Moon or Discord's return? Some people can't handle this show, and are far to emotionally invested in their fanon. |
| Anonymous #1343246 2 months ago |
And I like that Cadence was a alicorn. It was a nice way to show that just because you're an alicorn, that doesn't put you on the same level as Celestia and Luna.
And her power to spread love is like a gardener watering a wilted plant, not complete mind control. The entire episode was about the power of love, and she spreads it. It's also how she powered up Shinning for that attack at the end. Dear God, it's like some people watch these episodes with blinders on. How do you miss something that kids can get? You're missing the message in a children's show. How dumb would you have to be? |
| Anonymous #1343279 2 months ago |
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| Anonymous #1343284 2 months ago |
Anonymous@1343279 said: I come here to read comments and see awesome pictures and gifs. I'll count this as one of them. |
| bboifatz #1343443 2 months ago |
It was not perfect, but they handled it the best they could. The only aspect that I feel was handled poorly was that there was literally no foreshadowing at all that Twilight Sparkle had a brother, and not only that, but her friends treated his existence like it was common knowledge. Even if they had at least mentioned him in an earlier episode, it would have gone a long way towards giving the fans some build up.
I had already accepted prior to the episode that Twilight Sparkle was not an only child, and that she was going to have an Alicorn princess as a sister-in-law. The show did a good job of establishing all of that over just two episodes, although I still feel like Shining Armor should have been introduced sooner. |
| Anonymous #1343489 2 months ago |
bboifatz@1343443 said: Maybe because it was? dear God, it's like you didn't read any of the comments. Nobody ever complained about any of the characters that just suddenly appears (Breaburn, Rarity's parents, random BG ponies that are friends that we never saw before, etc), but nobody blinked an eye then. And how would they just have her say she has a brother? In what conversation would allow that to not seem forced? We don't see everyday of their lives. This is Slice of Life. That's how that type of show works. If it's not relevant to the plot, it's not going to be shown or mentioned. And I don't see how mentioning she had a brother was going to help anything. With how people worship their headcanon's, they would've been disappointed with Shinning Armor because he wasn't like the way they wanted him to be. It's a lose-lose situation. |
| Anonymous #1343646 2 months ago |
nothing the show does ruins the cannon. the show is cannon. what is present on the show should take priority over the fanon. |
| Anonymous #1344385 2 months ago |
Nope.
Okay, you have to assume that the mane 6 have conversations off-camera--- so Twilight's brother probably came up from time to time. But seriously, how often does YOUR sibling come up in conversation, even with close friends? And how much of a big deal is it? Second, he was an absentee brother since before she went off to school, so there's no real reason to foreshadow him... any more than her parents, grandparents or any other relatives. Plus, Twilight needed a REAL, PERSONAL reason to be right in the middle of things and to be deeply worried for Shining Armor's safety... and justification for people thinking she was "possessive." Favorite cousin isn't enough for that. |
| TheLoneLampman #1344425 2 months ago |
Sorry, I put that wrong I guess. She says they're so close and she also says that she sees him less and less since she came to Ponyville. That implies that she did see him multiple times since the show started. How often does she go to Canterlot? How often does SA come to visit her?
The point being is they shouldn't have made him seem like such a significant part of Twilight's life and remain unmentioned/unseen. Again, it's NOT the issue of her having a brother. It's the role he supposedly plays in her current life that makes it feel a bit sloppy and forced. |
| Anonymous #1346286 2 months ago |
There's a difference between having friends your age and being close to your brother and babysitter.
I get the feeling Celestia wanted Twilight to be less dependent on her BBBFF and Cadence and wanted her to mingle with ponies her age. There are some things you share with your friends that you can't with family. If you ask me, the ones complaining about fanon are probably those who wanted some cliche that Trixie was Twilight's sister or something. Pathetic. |
| Fronzel #1356798 2 months ago |
^ You can justify anything with mental gymnastics and putting needed material off-screen (which is tantamount to the fanon you hate so much). Good writing doesn't need that. It takes care of itself.
But if you ask me, people willing to make any excuse for weak writing in this show probably get sexual excitement from licking pony toys. Because of this I don't need to counter their arguments and still get to be smug. |
| Saint_Braeburn #1356833 2 months ago |
@Fronzel
.................What? Why would you even think of licking pony toys? You need a less creepy hobby, man. Also, "Mental gymnastics?" |
| Anonymous #1436898 1 month ago |
TheLoneLampman@1344425 said: They drifted apart after she appeared in ponyville. The fact that we never heard of him confirms this, and OP is a idiot. |