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RepentantAnon #1306633 2 months ago

the guards? killed and replaced by changelings.

Anonymous #1306640 2 months ago

It didn't cross my mind that Luna was asleep. I work Nights and I know how it is.

Impious #1306642 2 months ago

Dude, they're stormtroopers. They just stand around slack-jawed not doing anything, just waiting to get taken out.

Impious #1306643 2 months ago

Dude, they're stormtroopers. They just stand around slack-jawed not doing anything, just waiting to get taken out.

Impious #1306652 2 months ago

FUCK STUPID PONIBOORU, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING

RandomDouche #1306653 2 months ago

#1306643 OMG CHANGELING

P-51Mustang #1306656 2 months ago

@ Impious: Keep what from happening?

RepentantAnon #1306659 2 months ago

THEY ARE AMONG US TOO! AAH! AAAH! AAAAAH!!!!

RepentantAnon #1306660 2 months ago

THEY ARE AMONG US TOO! AAH! AAAH! AAAAAH!!!!

RepentantAnon #1306663 2 months ago

...well crap

CottonTales #1306674 2 months ago

I'm wondering how Equestria defended itself for 1000 years if the royal guard was so useless (minus Shining Armor apparently) What? Did Celestia have to handle every threat herself before the elements of harmony?

Anonymous #1306676 2 months ago

The guards were all captured by the Changelings.

CottonTales #1306680 2 months ago

CHANGELINGS IN THE THREAD

Karadros #1306681 2 months ago

Everybody seems to miss the little fact that Luna appears from outside the city when she takes up her night shift. So presumably she was outside the city either, yeah, asleep, or scouting for this enemy that they were, you know, unaware of.

Anonymous #1306686 2 months ago

I was hoping to see Luna or the Royal Guards to kick ass. But we can't have everything, can we?

Impious #1306687 2 months ago

THAT from happening, Mustang the multiposting It's supposed to tell you someone's already posted that message, to keep double-posts from happening. Guess not lol

P-51Mustang #1306696 2 months ago

@ Karadros, honestly I thought Luna was just finishing up raising the moon in that scene. I mean she was coming down into the balcony from the moon.

candrew #1306704 2 months ago

The whole nocturnal Luna thing has always struck me as odd since Celestia seems to stay up just fine after the sunsets in Lesson Zero and during the Grand Galloping Gala. I think the idea that Luna was being more proactive and searching for the enemy makes more since.

Dark_Horst #1306711 2 months ago

my guess is that today's royal guard is just a ceremonial bunch that got left over from the military that handled shit before celestia and luna (when the pony-species had their own governments). i really wouldn't be surprised if celestia had handled all threats herself after taking over

Impious #1306718 2 months ago

I would, she can't beat anything

P-51Mustang #1306727 2 months ago

@ Candrew, Well to be fair, Celestia is the primary ruler of Equestria and is the older sister, so I'm thinking that she's the "face" of Equestria. So, she goes to important events like TGGG, and the sun has only set for a few minutes when she stopped Twilight in Lesson Zero.

Karadros #1306744 2 months ago

Well to be fair, the only thing we've seen her lose against is a succubus insect pony thing supercharged by the power of Love, which appears to be the most powerful thing in the ponyverse.

P-51Mustang #1306757 2 months ago

@ Kradros, that's also the only thing we've seen her fight against as well. She didn't fight Discord or Nightmare Moon.

Impious #1306767 2 months ago

But see, that's my point. For a while, I thought "Oh, it was just a bad day. Chrysalis was supercharged with stolen love juju, and slapped Celestia in the face with a magical nuke. Of course she lost." But then I realized... Since she lost the elements of harmony, she got defeated offscreen by NMM when she returned, repelled by Discord, and got her shit stomped by Chrysalis. And when the dragon was squatting in the mountain, she sent the grad student and her friends to handle it. Oh God, guys. She's the exact opposite of powerful. She needs a hell of a lot more than a Rocky training montage set to Guile's theme. She needs to like, go on a big damn adventure and acquire some new magical artifacts.

Karadros #1306776 2 months ago

Yes, I'm aware of that. Just being fair.

candrew #1306780 2 months ago

@Mustang Fair enough, but I still find the idea that the sisters are primarily confined to their respective time of day to be silly. I can understand the concept that Luna is stronger at night and Celestia is stronger during the day though.

Jack-o-Lantern #1306786 2 months ago

Impious is trolling again

Impious #1306793 2 months ago

And to further my point... There's no shame in that. A soldier can't really fight a war without a gun, so to speak. But I was of the opinion that she was at least a very powerful magic-wielder. But she's just a pretty winged unicorn with a really, really hilariously long lifespan. If ponies believed otherwise, they sure don't now. That has to be humiliating.

P-51Mustang #1306806 2 months ago

@ Impious. Actually even WITH the EoH, she wasn't powerful. She was only able to banish NMM to the Moon, and it took The Mane Six to strip NMM away from Luna. Also NMM and Discord's imprisonment were supposed to be permanent, they were not.

Impious #1306818 2 months ago

No, Jack. Think about it. Just think about it. She has lost pretty much every single fight we know she's been in, off screen or on.

candrew #1306830 2 months ago

As to Celestia being powerful: yes, her track record against cataclysmic events seems bad, but consider the following. Discord is chaos, specifically requiring the elements to defeat, Chrysalias was hopped up on love steroids, and Luna was her equal plus the power of hate. Also, in the case of Luna, even if she had the power, I don't think Celestia would have let her win just to give Twilight the chance to save Luna from NMM. Also, Twilight is the element of magic and as such pretty high up in terms of power. Celestia stopped her want it need it spell with minimal effort. Celestia is strong, but plot demands the mane 6 saving the day.

Karadros #1306833 2 months ago

I'd just like to take this opportunity to say, I never really liked Celestia.

candrew #1306835 2 months ago

Plus the lifting the sun and moon thing. Forgot to mention that.

CottonTales #1306859 2 months ago

@candrew funny because the mane 6 didn't save the day this time and it's fine Celestia has been beat three times probably it just proves she isn't omnipotent or Omniscient just very powerful

P-51Mustang #1306863 2 months ago

I think this just proves that The Royal Sisters were never meant to be combat ponies. That's not where their talent lies. Their talent is controlling Celestial bodies and being fair and just rulers of their country. Agree?

Jack-o-Lantern #1306873 2 months ago

[h1]DISAGREE[h1]

P-51Mustang #1306882 2 months ago

@Jack-o-Lantern, EXPLAIN YOURSELF GOOD SIR!

candrew #1306883 2 months ago

@CottonTales Yes, instead the day was saved by the characters designed to sell toys for Hasbro. My point remains that Celestia fails so often because the plot demands that she fails.

Jack-o-Lantern #1306885 2 months ago

DISAGREE

P-51Mustang #1306893 2 months ago

WHY DO YOU DISAGREE JACK-O-LATERN!?

Impious #1306894 2 months ago

But Celestia herself said that it was basically her duty to protect her subjects, right before getting fried. If need be, they're supposed to be pretty damn formidable. But Celestia has yet to exhibit any of that. I think that we can all agree that it was very un-flattering.

CottonTales #1306903 2 months ago

@candrew I know that I was just being difficult I like being difficult

P-51Mustang #1306907 2 months ago

I agree with that Impious, and maybe it was smart for Luna to stay away?

candrew #1306931 2 months ago

@CottonTales Fair enough, nothing wrong with that. Also, yes, having the worf effect used on her doesn't put Celestia in a good light.

Impious #1306938 2 months ago

It wouldn't be nearly so bad if Celestia had some awesome moments under her belt, but she never gets to do anything. Because, yanno, she's a minor character all things considered and is little more than a plot device.

P-51Mustang #1306954 2 months ago

@ Impious. I'd have to agree, I think both Celestia and Luna need some awesome moments in Season 3.

Jack-o-Lantern #1307011 2 months ago

Celestia was holding back to avoid harming everpony in the room and Chrysalis had a big power boost.

candrew #1307012 2 months ago

I really want to see a Celestia/Luna based episode in Season 3. Maybe even a flashback to before they took over Equestria.

Impious #1307023 2 months ago

Keeeeeeep telling yourself that, Jack. Before, we were free to imagine her as power because she moves the fucking sun across the sky, but with he being hilariously inept in battle being all we really have to go on, she really isn't so amazing anymore. I still love her though. But seriously, she needs a redemption moment. A big one.

P-51Mustang #1307030 2 months ago

@ Impious, I think BOTH Luna AND Celestia need a redemption moment, a HUGE one.

BattleGT #1307086 2 months ago

You guys are imposing she lost in those instances other than in the episode Saturday. No one ever said she was defeated by Nightmare Moon when she returned. No one ever said she was defeated when Discord returned. In both of those instances she knew that the Elements were the only way to Defeat the threat so she stood down and let the Elements take care of it. IMO saying that Celestia is useless and Pathetic just because of Saturday is absolute Rubbish. Personally I think that she was holding back a bit even with the other ponies in the room. Had this been any other day she would have bug zapped Chrysalis into oblivion. All this here is just overanalization not to be taken seriously but some of the things said kinda rustled my jimmies

P-51Mustang #1307098 2 months ago

BattleGT, what's your opinion of Luna not fighting in Saturday's episode?

Jack-o-Lantern #1307112 2 months ago

@BatteGt FINALLY SOMEPONY SMART!!! I CAN'T STOP YELLING!!!

Ananonymous #1307117 2 months ago

i only think veery often long aged characters aren't handled with enouth care, or are simply too hard to handle story wise, because you don't have real life examples to base on someone with over 1000 years should not necessary be super smart, but have enouth experience to find the best route of action, when celestia got beat it looked like she was a random character with no background and only some base power be it for plot needs, or worf effect, she wasn't handled very well, or in an enouth credible way for me, but we can only rationalize what we get, the what if is for fiction :/

Jack-o-Lantern #1307118 2 months ago

LUNA SLEEPS DURING THE DAY JUST LIKE BATMAN!!!

Jack-o-Lantern #1307146 2 months ago

I WAS HOPING FOR A MOLESTIA THREAD BUT NO LOOKS TONIGHT ITS

BattleGT #1307149 2 months ago

Well I kinda wish that Luna had some part in facing of with Chrysalis,with an awesome sun and moon themed attack. But personally I think she was probably out patrolling for the threat with a division of the Royal Guard. I think she probably got Word of what happened when everything was over.

CottonTales #1307167 2 months ago

@BattleGT useless and pathetic: no, we're talking about Celestia here not the royal guard those guys have been useless at least Celestia has the excuse of using her magic to move the sun all day got her ass handed to her by the queen of the changelings: yes

Saint_Braeburn #1307221 2 months ago

Celestia didn't attack because she's been in similar situation before, and knows the rule that all heroes must follow. "You must allow a villain to finish his evil speech/rant before attacking". Whoever made those rules was a fucking retard, though. I agree with OP on the Luna thing.

d715 #1307797 2 months ago

@CottonTales Because Celestia knows her guards are useless, why do you think she always sends Twilight and her friends to get shit done. Well on Nightmare Moon, I've always been under the impression that she let herself loss because 1 she didn't want to fight her sister 2 her plan was to save Luna not fight her again 3 to do 2 she needed Twilight and co I think this is a cast of fandom forgetting fanon stuff. Celestia and Luna are not ment to be the all powerful gods fanon acts like they are, or are they the most powerful beings out there. Like you could say normaly Celestia > Chrysalis but Power of Love = EoH so here Chrysalis > Celestia Hell even Chrysalis seem shock that she beat Celestia did we all forget that?

Anonymous #1315622 2 months ago

I didn't really like Celestia being beaten by Chrysalis so i came up with a few theories to reconcile cannon with headcannon (feel free to poke holes): 1. The magic from love, like the magic of friendship, is special and trumps "regular" magic. -This means Celesta was powerful enough to use regular magic to counter "love" magic and almost win. 2.Celestia was limiting her power so as not to harm any-pony in the audience and because she underestimated Chrysalis. -This allows Celestia to be stronger then Chrysalis but under the circumstances forced to limit her power to the point where she can be (and was) defeated. 3. Batman gambit (again) aka Celestia allowed herself to be defeated. -We are told that Chrysalis is doing this to feed her fellow changelings (they feed of love)... then why is she attacking Canterlot? if Love is all thats needed then surely any of the towns/cities in Equestria will do (and you have less chance of encountering the local Physical Goddess and getting her mad at you) Yet she is in Canterlot draining the love that Shinning Armor has for Princess Cadence/Cadance. While this makes her stronger it doesn't seem to do much for the other changelings who have to instead expend energy breaking the magical barrier around Canterlot. Basically Celestia's in a position where if she beats Chrysalis the remaining Changelings are without a leader and starving, so they're either going to scatter off into the rest of Equestria or continue to bash at the barrier until they starve to death and I don't think Celestia is the kind to let anything die if she can help it. So she chooses to lose (and Chrysalis can believe she's won) then tells Twilight to use the Elements of Harmony, knowing that they'd have to fight there way across Canterlot and more Importantly Chrysalis is right next to them listening. This means when Chrysalis drags the Mane 6 back (what else is her ego going to do) she'll believe then harmless allowing Twilight to free Princess Cadence/Cadance who will (unknowingly perhaps) use the magic of love to beat (and feed) the Changelings while expelling them from Equestria (and undoing/suppressing any phycological scars the inhabitants of Canterlot may have from the experience (they all seem "too" happy after being attacked for a wedding))... (this also explains why Luna didn't reappear until afterwards, so she didn't disrupt the plan and was in position to intervene if something did go wrong) 4. Celestia's power (and Luna's) was connected to the Elements of Harmony so as their bond with the Elements grew weaker over the years so did they. -This means Celestia no longer possesses the power she once had she can still do her job (raising/lowering the sun) and is still more powerful then the most powerful pony but is only a shell of her former self. Other then Celestias defeat I really enjoyed the episode.

dzamie #1318514 2 months ago

When I saw "text" and "argument" as tags, I didn't think we were tagging the comment threads as well.