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Karadros #1304728 2 months ago

I'm not seeing the problem.

Anonymous #1304746 2 months ago

hot

-_-_-_- #1304753 2 months ago

No problem at all, the question keeps being asked, so here is an easy to refer to answer sheet.

Sonlir #1304958 2 months ago

People decide to draw porn? Ok that's just one less Artist to follow for me and one more to follow for someone else. I personally don't like the notion that people hate r34 and you need the "courage" to draw it like some unrelenting pioneer having to wade through snow uphill and against the wind.

Anonymous #1305007 2 months ago

This is like the fifth time I've seen this happen in the fandom. You start off cute and cuddly, you're getting sucked into the show, and pretty soon you feel the need to push the boundaries of what you personally considered acceptable. Pretty soon you're creating OCs or elaborating on in-show ones. You're developing head-canon. You're doing crossovers with other artists, video games, etc. Then, at some point, it gets saucy. And not because there's something, I don't know, "wrong" with you. The eroticism stems from the deep emotional involvement. It's a tie deep within the psyche.

-_-_-_- #1305232 2 months ago

@Sonlir: So you are going to stop watching SpeccySY because he decided to post NSFW stuff under Sirachanotsauce? Could you even explain to me that reasoning? @007 Actually, most of those cases were people who wanted or had drawn r34 before but had the right fear some would begin shitstorms over. Then they met other authors, saw that they were doing ok, decided to say fuck it and then they began to produce NSFW. This shouldn't need to happen, I should be able to say since the beginning "Hi, I am Lemmings, I will post only safe for work pictures here, but if you are interested in my more saucy banter, go to Lemmings-in-Panties-and-Stockings, where you can find it." That people feel the need to not do so is a terrible thing and it makes me as close to angry as I can get (which isn't much really...). As I told SpeccySY, I personally find these sort of situations stupid. I draw myself (no, I don't post anywhere for reasons that don't matter to discussion) and I have drawn plenty of NSFW pics about every single subject I could think of in one time or another, but I am still pretty much the same nice guy who goes to church, helps out his family and community, organize help for poor people, doesn't cheat on his girlfriend, and is just a normal person who studies engineering, draws as a hobby, shows all his pictures to those that come to his room (but only my room... well, my old room, not my current bunk) while telling them to evade watching what they don't want to. Having authors having to hide away the fact that they draw NSFW because some people want to make shitstorms. If madmax came tomorrow with a picture of Fluttermac having sex, would her other pictures be worse because of it? Hell, if she told you the first picture she made was of Twilight getting down with Rainbow Dash, would it make her work any less cute/funny/nice/etc.? I am of the position you need to draw NSFW image, not necessarily pornographic mind you, but NSFW is amongst the subject matter you will have to deal with and not having a realistic approach where everything goes will hamper you, in my opinion at least. Every artist in this fandom should do some NSFW and feel no shame if they feel the need to share it, because it's not some horrible crime. Hell, I only care if you get stuck in the endless loop of making stupid sex pictures for a bunch of masturbating fans while drawing the same for ages and ages, not improving at all. I have seen that happen all too often when a person suddenly finds himself drawing NSFW and that's basically my only concern in this fandom, because people here are basically releasing something they wanted to do since the beginning but couldn't, now can, and then there is the chance for it to go down that line. It's now Siracha's second week, wheverever that happens is up to him, and I can't say if it's happening either way (but I have my doubts it will) but I'm just glad he is doing it, because doing NSFW shouldn't be such a big deal anyway.

Shockblock99 #1305301 2 months ago

TL;DR

Anonymous #1305707 2 months ago

Just draw faggot

Anonymous #1305960 2 months ago

@232 "...am still pretty much the same nice guy who goes to church..." "...draws NSFW..." Wait a little. Which church do you go? Which fillial? As far as I know, lust IS considerated a sin. Unless you tell me you are doing artistic nude. But then, why with cute, child ponies? Do your priest or pastor approve what you do?

-_-_-_- #1306126 2 months ago

@960 Catholic. Lust would imply I masturbate or feel anything sexual to drawings, mine or otherwise, which I don't, they are drawings, I much rather bother myself with a real girl and those issues. So, that isn't really an issue for me, so no real conflict with my religion. As for my priest, he is a cool guy, he has seen what I do and told me I would do better keeping with the more safe work, but no real reproach other than he preferring other subject matters. I personally see no issue in drawing a naked whatever, or a whatever having sex, or anything of the sort (pedophilia and incest did give me some thought, but then again, it's was just a drawing) so I don't find conflict at any point of my religious believes or life. But that's beside the point here, PM me if you want to talk about this in any further length.

Anonymous #1306219 2 months ago

@126 Then why do it? Don't give the artistic excuse. You aren't forced to draw lust in order to better your art. In fact, I remember that pornographic drawings didn't contain intercouse. Also, remember we are talking about a children cartoon ponies. Also, are you married? That seems more like a repression. He told you gently: you shouldn't do that, do other things. Pedophilia and incest are sins too. And just a drawing is a fail argument: remember the lord said: if you THINK about doing something wrong, you already did it. I prefer to do this right here. You should be open to talk about what you think.

-_-_-_- #1306454 2 months ago

@219 Hello there good sir, you won't get more than this response after this. If you aren't satisfied with such a thing, I am sorry, but as I stated before, I won't be debating that here because it doesn't hold much ground to do so. Ehhmmm, what bible are you reading? Can you give me the passages? More to the point, can you give the context where it states that the action overpasses the intent? I don't think you quite comprehend scripture to begin with, which might be making you misunderstand some quite big concepts.... The fact is that if I draw a picture of a woman masturbating it doesn't cause any woman to masturbate, and if I have no sexual intent behind it there is no sin of lust involved. Considering everything I have drawn is more of an exercise in technique rather than thinking "oh my god, woman masturbating, hot" I still don't see the issue, because the intent, which causes the sin to begin with, is the problem. Married a girl, had sex with her and then discover she is actually your mother? Err, divorce and stop right away, for ignorance of sin and willing betrayal of your morals (whichever they were before you were taught the ones of the church) is where sin lies. Additionally: Incest: Leviticus if where you will find anything about this and it prohibits you from having sex with your mother or father, which is something I don't recall drawing but perhaps I did. Good read leviticus, it's full of all interesting laws which aren't applied today (the whole new covenant with jesus and the distortion of the actual articles of faith by the jews and all that) for whatever reason. Plus, marriage within families was the standard practice even in the time of leviticus, so... Pedophilia: I suggest you read a history book, it will show you that pedophilia isn't something that existed back then as people died too early to even be an issue. As a matter of fact, you won't see it mentioned at all. The only bad act connect to pedophilia is the abuse and the corruption, which neither occur with a drawing unless you are grasping for straws. So, bye, I am retiring from the discussion here, but we can post our responses between each other in a picture if you would like, I will upload them myself.

Anonymous #1306694 2 months ago

@454 Gladly. Do upload this, I want to show everyone your hipocrisy. You don't want to debate it here because you know you will end looking bad with it. Too bad for you we already started it. The Holy Bible. Perhaps you should look at which book YOU are reading. Passages, sure thing. You want passages for what, condemning lust? Right here. http://www.openbible.info/topics/lust Ah, about it. About thinking being equal action. Check it here: http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/5/ Philippians 4:8 "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, THINK ON THESE THINGS, Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you." Matthew 6:21 "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." I understand it. I won't claim it to be perfectly, but clearly it's more faithful to the word than you. It seems you are twisting the word to fufill your own selfish desires. You call it a exercise, but is it truly that? How can you call to do something sinful without calling it a sin? Because humans are flawed, it would be quite impossible to do what you are claiming. You can't claim for example that joking with God is alright, because it's a joke. Things don't work this way. Also, in this case, you must remember that sinning is a flaw, but one who can be compesated. If you regret it and pray to redemption, then it's all fine. But remember the Sin No More. You aren't a true christian. You may claim to be one, but you keep forgetting the most important thing: It isn't you who decide what is a sin and what isn't. It's the bible, the word who does that. IT'S GOD WHO DOES IT. Show me where in the bible what you call is acceptable? I want to see. Incest: Leviticus 18:6 “None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord." It's funny you are trying to say the Old Testament have no relevancy, when Jesus said clearly the opposite: He didn't come to change the laws, he came to make them work. The reason the law got softer was because the hearts of men got softer, but they are still valid as any other time. Pedophilia: I am sorry, did you ever go to the church? ALL FORMS OF SEX OUTSIDE HOLY MATRIAMONY ARE FORBIDDEN. Ah, if the age of matriage was different in the past, then it wasn't pedophilia. You will claim now: AH, but this isn't exactly pointed at pedophilia. Wrong again. Jesus said: I will show what was evil by showing what was good. Do you seriously think Jesus would approve that at our time? Remember the law changed as the heart of people grew softer. Stop trying to twist things to fit your own ends. You are showing great arrogance trying to define what a sin is without using the bible. Seriously, I am truly irked, even more than some atheists I see around here. Please show me in what you are basing, because I am truly shocked by your words.

-_-_-_- #1306852 2 months ago

@694 Well, you can say whatever you want, but I won't actually respond to you here dude (and I can respond, because we are apparently not talking about the same things anyway); as I told you, if you want to carry this out by PM I will do so happily, but now you are just getting angry for no reason because I won't respond to you here. Not that I won't respond to you, but I won't respond you to here because this holds no connection with the image. So, if you want to continue: 1.) PM me with that comment. 2.)I'll PM you back with my respond. 3.) We continue like this assuming we are following this: 4.) When we agree to a conclusion (or agree to disagree, whichever) we collect all these into a single document, post it here for people to put their opinion, and hang one of us in shame. Well, not you, you clearly don't have an identity or a name here you actually use, unless you do and are trying to hide it for whatever reason, but the point is that we will then leave out there for the others to decide. See? It is that simple. You can call me whatever you want, but I already told you, I won't respond to your arguments here as we have already taken enough space as is, but I am quite sure we can do so elsewhere, like by PM. Welp, sorry now, have to go, I have church to go, they give service at 20:00 but they close the door quite early. Bye again.

OhPutain #1306901 2 months ago

:( Your "discussion" was fun to read

Anonymous #1306956 2 months ago

@852 No, I am angry because you claimed to be a christian but yet tries to know more than Christ himself. And didn't use the bible to back any argument. That is my problem. So you claim that you don't want to debate because it holds no connection to the image? Oh, but it does. You created the connection. When you claimed to be a christian, you simply said that christianity would accept such a practice, which is simply untrue. Because christianity isn't what you want it to be. I won't take this into a private space, where you will be able to manipulate things as you wish. Mad is the man who trusts man. I prefer to do it here because here I can let the whole world to see. Here you can't hide posts or delete what doesn't fit you. Don't try to look smart, like a scientist or something, there is just no reason to don't do this in public, except if you want to try to change the outcome to fit your goals. Go then. This will still be here, letting all others to see.

-_-_-_- #1307870 2 months ago

@OhPutain As did I, but I was reminded how discussing with people in random places in the internet is ultimately stupid on its own accord, because they are often unimportant in the grand scheme of things and they are better carried out in a way it can actually make you care. As for him, well, I might not be thinking in such negative terms as he is, because I'm pretty sure he can keep a good record himself of what he sends, what he recieves, and then call me on any shenanigans, but I can say what he thinks either way. For me, I just read his comment and notice how he isn't really talking about what I'm talking about, and I notice we could be going in circle about how he misquotes scripture because it has nothing to do with what he is saying, or how I mention concepts which aren't exactly related either, how he is not dealing with the question of intent while I already stated lust is a sin, while not agreeing that drawing something NSFW involves lust unto itself, etc., etc., etc. I want to believe it's just that we are talking pass each other, which is kind off what you do when you are trying to make a public debate (and we know how truthful are those) rather than a personal discussion. But meh, it's his ball now, I won't discuss with him about it here, I suggest PM or whatever venue where the discussion makes sense in. @956 You are an anon which disagrees with me in scripture, and I'm a guy who no one knows here, only has a name to post from the tumblr he is following, and tries to keep the tags in the right places. Considering that most people here are religion, I think we just prove you are more willing to carry on a discussion which you have been told won't happen, that I think making NSFW is completely moral, and that this has nothing to do with the pic. Just for your sake, let us say that we also concluded that I'm a hypocrite, cause why not? It's not like you are my priest or my religious advisor. All in all, I don't think anyone else other than you care to continue that subject at this point, so... yay for you and the preservation of this?

GreyAcumane #1308696 2 months ago

People in this thread seem to be getting "lack of condemnation" confused with "acceptance", and vica-versa. As a Christian, I can disapprove of your actions without condemning you to hell. The state of your soul is a personal issue between you and god, and unless you're actively pushing your issues on other people, then the most room I have to cast judgement is not to attack, but to advise you for your own spiritual health. Yes, a lot of Christians seem to forget this point, even people who are supposed to be religious leaders, but a lot of that boils down to matters that are more political than religious. Either way, as long as an artist is only trying to make their art accessible to people who want to see it, then I don't care what they draw. On a personal level, I agree that it's stupid that they act like people are going to burn them as a witch for drawing porn. Most people who are that intolerant won't survive a week in the pony fandom outside of equestria daily, and that's only if they don't follow any links outside of the site. Everyone else has developed a skin, so the most reaction of dissent you get is a "meh, another artist that will get lost amidst all the other porn artists that are already out there" and an unfollow at the worst. Of course, I also consider porn to be entirely different than erotic art, which is all about implication, and conveyance of attitude, emotion, and intent, all of which invite you to involve your own mind filling in blanks. Instead of just passively viewing, you become an active participant in the artistic creation process.

Anonymous #1309704 2 months ago

@870 Discussing on the internet is stupid? Seriously? In fact, I believe it's on the internet where it's better to discuss. Why? Because people are more authentic here than on other places. Like I said, every action I do I try to base on the holy word. You should do the same. Ah, I see. Please point to us what I said that didn't fit with the arguemnt. Okay, back to me. Don't try to use 'anon' to dismiss what I say. Remember that I am a human like you. And I already told you that you brought this discussion. Right, I am not your priest. But your forget the point of a public discussion: it's not only you and me. Everyone can see this. Showing you the truth would be good, yes. But showing everyone else is also important. @GreyAcumane Truth. I never said he is going to hell. However I will stand that he is being hypocrite. Why? Because he tried to use religion to strenght his point without abidding by it. Like I already implied, I have no problem when an atheist or a muslim, or anything else do what they want. My problem is when people try to twist the religion to fit their own ends, in the progress showing a misplaced view to anyone else. Do you check the muslims? By the few fundamentalists they have now they have the stereotype of terrorist. Do you know what the main christian stereotype is? Hypocrisy. Nowadays what hurts more our religion is hypocrisy. In fact, most of the atheists in my country claim they left religion because could not accept the hipocrisy of their members. I don't care if people do porn or don't. I don't have no problem with who did this pic. This is their soul, not mine. I have a problem when someone tries to use religion to increase the strenght of his point. Why say: "I still go to the church" then? Of course we wanted to imply: "I can do pony porn and my soul isn't affected in any way", which I already showed that intent is equal action. Why did I start this? Check -_- second comment. He used going to the church was a point, trying to solidify that he is a nice guy. But is going to the church enough? Of course not, you need to take into action what the church says. Agreed. Artistic nude is one thing. However remember we are talking about colored ponies, not humans. Characters that children do look after, characters who have been made to be naturally 'good', if you will. With so many other things to draw, it would be pretty hard to believe you aren't doing this except by the pleasure of corrupting something.

Anonymous #1309718 2 months ago

@870 Ah, please remember that the same way when you discuss science you need to use facts, when you discuss religion you need to use the bible. Just an add to help improve your spiritual life.

Anonymous #1309916 2 months ago

Go draw faggot

OhPutain #1312508 2 months ago

I think the religious anonymous won the debate.

-_-_-_- #1319688 2 months ago

Wait a minute... this continued after that? Ok, fine, if you are still watching this anon, I will be posting a pic where we can discuss this properly, and you can keep your anon tag. I suggest you get a bible, a greek copy of the bible, and some good amount of theological knowledge, because I'm tired of your self-righteous bullshit.

BattleGT #1319699 2 months ago

Wouldn't it be better for you to take discussion in private

-_-_-_- #1320413 2 months ago

@BattleGT Sigh. Yes, it would. You know what, I don't care if you think you won or not anon, I will stick to my point that you PM if you wish to discuss this. I won't make a drama train just for your sake. I am going to bed, today has been a shitty day and I can't make this sort of decisions right now.

I_Like_Your_Mane #1320872 2 months ago

How about anon stop bitching about it and making a drama out of it?

Anonymous #1324706 2 months ago

@-_- I am still here. And no, I won't stick to PM because of the earlier said reasons. However, I agree on don't doing this on Ponibooru, since this is a pony site. How about a christian forum? That would be a perfect place, since we would be near our equals. @I_Like You know, nobody forced you to come here.

Anonymous #1353350 2 months ago

Actually, that exactly happened. He was my favourite artist, and then I made a remark about finally finding a good artist that doesn't draw rule 34, and someone let me know that he, in fact, does. Sometimes, I really lose hope in this fandom. Oh well, as someone said, one less artist to follow and more time to follow other people.