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| MissingData #1268696 3 months ago |
Okay, nyxhaters, do your obligatory hate and stuff. *yawn* |
| Anonymous #1268711 3 months ago |
I bet if Nyx was based of a background pony, there would be little to no hate. Most haters just hate her for being an OC, and other haven't even read the story. |
| Anonymous #1268745 3 months ago |
Fuck Nyx |
| MaroonBunyip #1268748 3 months ago |
Anonymous@1268745 said: this guy is actually making me hate nyx less and less |
| Anonymous #1268750 3 months ago |
Anonymous
#1268745 You know, there's this neat thing where you can filter out things you don't like. And it's not like you can back up your hatred anyway. I've seen how "smart" the people here are. |
| Anonymous #1268754 3 months ago |
MaroonBunyip
#1268748 How do you do that with the words? Sorry if I sound like a newfag. I *am* an anon, you know. |
| Saufsoldat #1268757 3 months ago |
@711: The only background alicorn so far was an animation mistake and no background pony so far was a black hole sue like nyx. If it were, it would in fact cease to be a background pony. |
| MaroonBunyip #1268770 3 months ago |
Anonymous@1268754 said: click here, I actually made a tutorial on how to do this. |
| Anonymous #1268773 3 months ago |
Saufsoldat
#1268757 I mean, I had this little "discussion" with a guy who used a background character, and he made up a background, name, and personality, thus making it more of an OC, even if he's based on a existing character. That just seems like a loop hole as to get people to like your OC is to base it off a BG character. People actually think that the shit he's been saying was canon. Some of the user's here are borderline retarded. And how do you make a mistake like putting wings *and* a horn on a filly? How do we know it wasn't just another Candance? I mean, people use animation errors as an excuses for their stupid theories, and Derpy became famous for it. |
| Anonymous #1268793 3 months ago |
MaroonBunyip said: |
| Anonymous #1268795 3 months ago |
Sweet, I got it!! Yeah! Thanks, Maroon!! |
| Saufsoldat #1268798 3 months ago |
@773: Few people hate OCs in general, but Mary Sues are a real issue. Nyx is an extreme case of a Mary Sue, all of the character in Past Sins are twisted out of character to accomodate her.
As for the background alicorn, it was confirmed to be an animation error.  |
| Anonymous #1268810 3 months ago |
#1268793 said: The other is to make it a whore. I mean, just look at Ice pack, Honey Dip, and that new one. |
| Anonymous #1268837 3 months ago |
Saufsoldat
#1268798 If Nyx is a mary sue, then so is Twilight. She got the exact same treatment, and she was bothered by that. Besides, Nyx was Nightmare Moon as a filly. It stands to reason she would be strong. And the characters were twisted? In what sense? They acted to Nyx the same way everypony acted towards Twilight. I don't get it. And that animation error didn't stop Derpy, why would it stop that? I'm glad Candace is an Alicorn, that way people can see just because you're one doesn't put you on the same level as Celestia, or any other pony. And the characters being twisted to accommodate the plot happens in *every fanficition (especially clop), but it's not about an OC, no ones cares, and then put it in their head canon. It's stupid. |
| MaroonBunyip #1268844 3 months ago |
no worries, anon
<3 |
| Saufsoldat #1268911 3 months ago |
@837: Twilight is powerful, but she has flaws, plenty of them in fact. And she can hardly make established characters act OOC if she's the protagonist.
In Past Sins all the ponies act like they're brain dead. Twilight puts Nyx before any relationship with any other pony she's ever had, including the princess. I mean you might get away with Twilight lying to Celestia in a certain situation, but attacking the princess just because of Nyx? Nyx herself of course being on godmode can defeat both Luna and Celestia in one night. Not like those two are the most powerful beings in the MLP universe... Celestia even feels terrible for putting the good of the country that she's in charge of before the good of Nyx. Nyx is a black hole sue, nothing can escape her grasp, she is the most important thing ever to grace Equestria. That's what makes her terrible, not the fact that she's an OC, not even the fact that she's an alicorn. |
| Anonymous #1268945 3 months ago |
Saufsoldat
>Twilight puts Nyx before any relationship Someone doesn't know how a mother/daughter relationship works, even if it is more of an adoption. And the way Celestia was acting made it seemed like she was going to kill Nyx. >Nyx herself of course being on godmode can defeat both Luna and Celestia in one night. Even in the show, it's made obvious that Nightmare is stronger than Celestia, and the Celestial Sisters were holding back. >Nyx is a black hole sue, nothing can escape her grasp, she is the most important thing ever to grace Equestria. She's Nightmare Moon, and the story is about her. What exactly did you expect? The story about Diamond Tiara? Of course she was important, she was created to kill everything, and being a antagonist, and a god, it's hard *not* to have everything revolving around you, since everything you do affects the lives of the ponies that live there. |
| Anonymous #1268958 3 months ago |
Saufsoldat
>Twilight is powerful, but she has flaws, plenty of them in fact. When was Nyx perfect? I think she majorly screw up a lot in the story, and made some bad mistakes, even before she ascended. Did you read the first draft of the story, or something? >In Past Sins all the ponies act like they're brain dead. You didn't say anything that confirms this. And everypony *is* brain dead. Haven't you watched the show? >but attacking the princess just because of Nyx? What attack? You mean the part where she did nothing, cried, then went after Nyx, only it was too late? Yeah, what a fight. |
| doyen-sotiris #1268967 3 months ago |
Fuck Nyx, man. |
| Anonymous #1268976 3 months ago |
@doyen-sotiris
How old is that fanfic? And people still care? I bet if it was the actual Nightmare, people would of loved it more. |
| Anonymous #1268986 3 months ago |
doyen-sotiris
You can filter her out of your search, you know. It just seems you want to hate on a OC just because. I bet if it was Derpy or they took an a different BG character, it would be okay. Like, if the essence of that failed spell infected an existing BG pony, but kept everything the same, more people would like her. It's a fact. |
| WatermelonRat #1268991 3 months ago |
What you're describing is strawman version of Past Sins. You neglect to mention that Celestia had gone without sleep for days when Nyx defeated her, that Nyx was in full NMM mode, and that the fic presents Luna as being without her full power following being purged of NMM. Twilight had developed a strong bond with Nyx and believed Celestia was going to kill her when she attacked her. Celestia is a very empathetic individual, so of course she felt bad about taking Nyx from Twilight, even if it was the logical and proper course of action for a leader.
Your criticisms all come down to confirmation bias. Nyx is hated because she became very popular very quickly, and some of her fans became over enthusiastic about the fic. You already hated her when you read Past Sins, so naturally you saw justification for it everywhere. |
| doyen-sotiris #1269013 3 months ago |
I have no fucking clue. All I know is -- in my seven years of writing fanfiction -- that this Nyx character is a blatant Mary-Sue. And no, I haven't a problem with original characters, before anyone plays that card. I have quite a few OCs myself, all riddled with actual flaws and other aspects that make their personalities memorable, without distorting canon or other characters.
Furthermore, Nightmare Moon is Luna. There's no way around it, and I don't give a shit what the author or the fic's white knights say. Thus, Nyx has no reason to exist. |
| doyen-sotiris #1269028 3 months ago |
Grah, that was directed towards #986. |
| Anonymous #1269029 3 months ago |
doyen-sotiris
#1269013 You didn't read the fanfic, did you? And you've spent 7 years writing fanfiction? You need a better hobby. By the way, if you put the cast under the same light, the mane 6 are *all* mary sues. Every character has a mary sue trait. You want to know what a *real* mary sue is? Read "My Immortal." |
| doyen-sotiris #1269039 3 months ago |
My Immortal is obviously a parody. Anyone with half a brain could detect that. Past Sins, however, is not. |
| Anonymous #1269052 3 months ago |
doyen-sotiris
>Furthermore, Nightmare Moon is Luna. There's no way around it If you read the thing, Nightmare is a different entity all together. Even the show says this. You want to know who was the real Nightmare Moon in the story? It was Spell Nexus. He had the actual essence of Nightmare in his body because he was in contact with her armor when she was defeated the last time. Yes, Nyx is *not* Nightmare. That was the whole point of the fanfic. She was Nyx the whole time. And besides, she lost all her power and gave it to Luna, so I don't know what you're crying about. |
| doyen-sotiris #1269061 3 months ago |
Uhh... no. Nightmare Moon is Luna. The fact that Luna is still able to assume that form is proof enough. Unless you're one of those Season 1 purists who scorns anything and everything from Season 2, in which case, I pity the foo. |
| Anonymous #1269062 3 months ago |
doyen-sotiris
#1269039 So you *haven't* read Past Sins. Got it. It might of been a parody, but I've seen an actual Mary Sue test (several, in fact) and Nyx *barely fit's the bill (she got like, one point over, like a 31 or something out of 70. Oddly enough, Twilight scored higher than her, like a 42. Weird, huh?) |
| doyen-sotiris #1269068 3 months ago |
That would be 'might HAVE been a parody'. |
| Anonymous #1269071 3 months ago |
doyen-sotiris
#1269061 Wasn't the fanfic written before season 1? Yeah, that's what I thought. And Luna is a shape-shifter. That's called "magic". She *is* a goddess, you know. I mean, Twilight can turn ponies into plants. I guess they were always plants to begin with. |
| doyen-sotiris #1269086 3 months ago |
That justifies nothing, nor does it prove me wrong. Past Sins is just another example of fanfiction made null and void by canon, whether you like it or not. |
| Anonymous #1269096 3 months ago |
doyen-sotiris
I've rad things that were worse than "My Immortal," and they were completely serious. So you never know. |
| doyen-sotiris #1269108 3 months ago |
'I've rad things'
This, along with the previous example, is making me question your intelligence quotient. Perhaps only stupid people enjoy and defend Past Sins? |
| WatermelonRat #1269113 2 months ago |
^HAW HAW! HE MADE A TYPO! WHAT A RETARD! |
| Anonymous #1269126 2 months ago |
doyen-sotiris
#1269086 So, like every fanfic ever. Okay. And you just seem to be the type to slam his foot down and say "NO, THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS!" while crossing your arms and never giving a real reason why. And yes, Nightmare *is* her own character, even if she was attached to Luna. And it seems you *really* haven't read it. And you didn't back up any of your claims, so anything you say is worthless. And, again, Nyx wasn't Nightmare. It was Spell Nexus. Nyx spent the majority trying to convince herself she was something she's not because she was told too. That was the point of the fic, you know, the one you *didn't* read? |
| Yorec #1269131 2 months ago |
You know they say when you have to resort to personal attacks that you've lost the argument. Just saying. |
| Anonymous #1269133 2 months ago |
doyen-sotiris
#1269108 Is that all you got? I guess you'll take any victory you can get, huh? I made a typo. THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE! Ha. |
| doyen-sotiris #1269141 2 months ago |
Luna is Nightmare Moon. End of story. I've watched Season 1 several times, and it was never stated blatantly that they were two seperate entities. You're merely distorting canon to comport with your favored fanfiction, and it's silly. |
| WatermelonRat #1269158 2 months ago |
Lauren Faust specifically stated that Luna was influenced by an outside force. Whether it was a "seduced by the dark side" type of deal or outright posession is left unclear.
Also, you spelled "separate" wrong, which by your logic means you and people who hate Past Sins are idiots. |
| Anonymous #1269171 2 months ago |
doyen-sotiris
#1269141 Favorite fanfiction? I read it once. Even if Luna and Nightmare are the same pony, they're not now. And besides, again, you didn't read it, so any complaints you have don't matter. And the whole point of the cultists *was* to have Nightmare as her own pony, that was the point. The fanfic says that Nightmare and Luna are the same pony (which the show *also* never said), which is why it's a shock that there was a cult trying to bring Nightmare back *without* being attached to Luna. You *really* didn't read it. |
| doyen-sotiris #1269174 2 months ago |
Yes, yes, but I still have the advantage in that I don't use 'of' in the place of 'have', which indicates a bad grasp of proper English.
I'm sorry, but Faust statement does not imply that they are two SEPARATE entities. |
| PikaRobo #1269175 2 months ago |
Amazing how little people know about Nyx. It makes me want to bash my head in. |
| Anonymous #1269178 2 months ago |
doyen-sotiris
#1269174 >I'm sorry, but Faust statement does not imply that they are two SEPARATE entities. It also works the other way, you know. |
| doyen-sotiris #1269180 2 months ago |
#171
That does nothing to contradict the fact that it's outdated fanfiction, and that Nyx is a redundant Mary-Sue. |
| Anonymous #1269183 2 months ago |
doyen-sotiris
#1269180 *smacks forehead* Um, duh? It's old, and it only worked with what was showed in the show. Of course it's outdated, and you've yet to explain how she's a Mary Sue properly. |
| Anonymous #1269187 2 months ago |
Anonymous
#1269183 "showed in the show" at that time. Sorry. |
| doyen-sotiris #1269196 2 months ago |
I would simply be echoing what Saufsoldat has stated. Then you would go and counter that by stating "THE MANE SIX ARE ALREADY BRAIN DEAD LOL" and that they possess Mary-Sue traits of their own, etc., etc. Which is, of course, an asinine thing to declare.
I suppose since neither of us are going to sway the other, we might as well cease the debate. I'm still right, though. |
| Anonymous #1269201 2 months ago |
doyen-sotiris
#1269196 No, you're not. Not even a little bit. Also, every character in an game is a Mary Sue, and so is every single action movie hero. At least with *your* definition of what a Mary Sue is. And if you have to mirror someone else comment, you lost. Sorry, but you're wrong. |
| Anonymous #1269205 2 months ago |
@1269201
So, Link form the Legend of Zelda is a Mary Sue? Huh. We need better understanding (or a better definition) of what a Mary Sue actually is. |
| doyen-sotiris #1269206 2 months ago |
Nope. That would be YOUR definition of what a Mary-Sue is, so as to justify the traits that Nyx possesses. Try harder, toots~ |
| doyen-sotiris #1269211 2 months ago |
Just for clarification, that was directed at #201. |
| Anonymous #1269230 2 months ago |
From Wiki:
A Mary Sue (sometimes just Sue), in literary criticism and particularly in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as a wish-fulfilment fantasy for the author or reader. It is generally accepted as a character whose positive aspects overwhelm their other traits until they become one-dimensional. Go ahead. Point to me in the story where any of that is true to Nyx, and I'll point out that same thing on any of the Mane 6, or even a movie character, or a guy from a game. Here, take a look at how bad a Mary Sue can get by taking these test (don't actually take them, just read at how bad it can get) http://www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm http://www.katfeete.net/writing/marysue.html http://www.ponylandpress.com/ms-test.html And you still haven't actually read the story yet. |
| Anonymous #1269235 2 months ago |
Anonymous
#1269230 Heck, I'll even point out when Nyx is not being those things. But you would need to actually read it first, so you lost. Sorry. |
| Sevireth #1269264 2 months ago |
Just like cliche is a literary tool to be applied correctly, just like a Straight Man from any science fiction would look dull and boring in any contemporary setting, Mary Sue (in addition to being a highly subjective concept) is not a bad thing. It is a tool, a plot nuance, a type of character — no less real than any other, fictional or otherwise.
If you need a proof of concept, look at Doctor Who. He's the ultimate Mary Sue and yet the show's been running for over twice my age; what esle can serve as a better proof of that idea. Also, please remember that Past Sins features a child protagonist who is, at least partially, a literal emotional infant, which is an important plot point. Personally I can't expect much of such a character in terms of wholesomeness. She doesnt and cannot possibly have much of a character to herself. |
| Anonymous #1269277 2 months ago |
Sevireth
#1269264 Can I give you a hug? That comment was awesome. |
| Anonymous #1269279 2 months ago |
Very well put Sevireth |
| Sevireth #1269285 2 months ago |
You can only give me an internet hug. I'm not a very touchy person IRL.
Theres a new pony tumblr in near future. I've spent a good bit of time thinking of things like that. |
| Anonymous #1276446 2 months ago |
Well, there several types of mary sue. Nyx is a black hole sue. |
| Sevireth #1277258 2 months ago |
Burden of proof lies with the accusation. Consider your opinion dismissed. |
| Takashi_0 #1277275 2 months ago |
>April 2012
>STILL getting butthurt over Nyx. I shoo-be-doo, shoo-shoo-be-doo. |
| Anonymous #1394144 2 months ago |
^
uh, I'm going to say this once. SHUT THE FUCK UP! |