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| Anonymous #1238666 3 months ago |
I hate smokers! Srls smoking in public area is FUCKING forbidden! period! But no they still smoking everywhere, fuckers. |
| ProfessorOfHoers #1238678 3 months ago |
That's bullshit. I'm a smoker and it's getting to where you can't fucking smoke anywhere. Pony's outside. Get over it. |
| Anonymous #1238684 3 months ago |
I don't smoke, but I love the smell of people who do. I would totally date a smoker; although, I'm trying really hard not to smoke myself. |
| TBTabby #1238692 3 months ago |
CIGARETTES ARE ENEMIES OF CUISINE! |
| Anonymous #1238701 3 months ago |
@Professor
Of course you can smoke. Just do it on your home. |
| ProfessorOfHoers #1238704 3 months ago |
If I'm outside or in a bar that allows smoking then it's not a problem. It's stupid of you to expect everyone to amend themselves to your petty desires. |
| Forestman #1238715 3 months ago |
Looks like she's gonna smash that cigarette out of his face. |
| HotFuzz #1238719 3 months ago |
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| Anonymous #1238726 3 months ago |
@Professor
I am sorry, but you are wrong. I, or anyone else, don't have to smell your horrible smoker smell. Perhaps you should be more considerate of other people wishes or health. If you want a cancer that bad, thats your problem. But please don't drag others into it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking |
| ProfessorOfHoers #1238739 3 months ago |
No, businesses should have their right to have a smoking environment if they so choose. You have a right to avoid that business if you don't want the smoke. If I create a bar or restraunt and wish to allow people to smoke there then you don't have to attend that establishment. Simple as that.
If I'm outside it's even less of a concern. Unless you just want to rub up against me or something than it's not going to effect you. |
| Anonymous #1238806 3 months ago |
@Professor
Is it? Can you safely say that everyone in that bar or restaurant know and accept the dangers of the place? Because if you can't, then I am sorry. Only if you can guarantee that everybody in the place knows the dangers of smoking, then no, it shouldn't. About outside, can you say the exactly distance a cigar poisonous smoke goes? If you can't, then you can't exactly say that. |
| ProfessorOfHoers #1238822 3 months ago |
Oh my god this is fucking stupid as shit. Seriously? You're seriously so much of an anti-smoke nazi that you think people should attend a seminar before walking into a restaurant or bar that allows smoking?
I get that you're an anti-smoking nazi. But jeez, this is stupid as fuck. |
| ProfessorOfHoers #1238848 3 months ago |
Should people have to take classes on diabetes or obesity before walking into a burger joint? Should people have to learn about liver damage, alcoholism, or the other social mires that come with drinking before walking into a bar? Should we not allow people to visit cities like LA or the like that have smog because the carcinogens contained on the average freeway or busy city outnumber those of a cigarette.
Should people have to learn about the causal links between cancer and processed/canned foods before they're allowed to make a purchase? At what point can't you just fucking decide "Oh, well they smoke there. Lets go to B because they don't. People that enjoy smoking shouldn't be allowed to do it in public. I'm at a bar after all. Can't I poison my body with alcohol and hit on women then go vomit in a toilet without having to smell gross smoke! Jeez." |
| Anonymous #1238915 3 months ago |
@Professor
Insults? Professor, I expected more from you. Okay, I will help you: I would agree with smoking in private places if you could ensure that: A) Everyone there is major age and B) There was a warning about dangers of smoking. If you can ensure every business follows theses procediments, then yes, I would approve that exception. Part. 2 Would be the right, yes. In fact, school should do this. There should be warning against eating too much junk food or drinking. For example, there are games like Earthbound (and others, mostly from Nintendo) who warns you if you are playing too much. That really is a help and ensures a better life. Of course barring people from entering cities would be exageratted. But trying to find methods to lower the emission of gases from cars and factories is a worth shot, and all goverments should strive for it. Most canned foods have the ingredients on its back. And is mostly know that conservatives aren't good for your health. Since it's harder to warn in mass escale since it's food, how about commercials in TV? That would estimulate people to have better lives. Like I said, I also don't support alcohol. But alcohol by itself isn't dangerous to passives. That is the major difference you can't forgetting. I really would wish you stopped poisoning yourself. If you don't want to, okay, I cannot choose to you. But like I said, have some respect for others lives. |
| Zancrow #1238994 3 months ago |
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| ProfessorOfHoers #1239042 3 months ago |
I can feel you on the first one anon. Sure, Bars posting warnings or whatever should be fine. I'm not saying that cigarettes are smoking aren't bad for you. Just that if an establishment wants to allow them they should be able to.
I don't think that, however, there's a problem with making sure people know what's going on before they enter. I'll never agree with you about the outside point though. That's just dumb. If it's outside the smoke can escape and unless you make a regular habit of standing close to smokers you're not going to be harmed. |
| Anonymous #1239108 3 months ago |
@Professor
Like I said, I am okay as long as the following precations are take before hand. And as you know, it's hard to estabilishments to have initiative, so that is why the law is needed. You keep calling it dumb... but let me ask you: why is it dumb? If it was, why would so many people agree with it? Perhaps you don't know (if you do, sorry but I need to bring this up), but you know that the toxic gases expand further than the scent of the smoke? For example, even if I am at a distance where I cannot smell the smoke it doesn't mean my nose isn't breathing some poluents. Remember that there is a lot of differents substances in a cigar or cigarrette. |
| isthachakena #1239112 3 months ago |
Being outside doesn't make smoke magically disappear. It means wind blows your toxic bullshit in everyone else's face. |
| Anonymous #1239114 3 months ago |
@Professor
I know it sounds a bit radical, but the ideal would be to have smoking zones in the outside too, instead of anywhere as you think it should. |
| ProfessorOfHoers #1239128 3 months ago |
I'm curious, does anyone here think they are going to suddenly get cancer because someone outside is smoking? Do you think that you deal with a miniscule amount of smoke and suddenly you have cancer? really? |
| ProfessorOfHoers #1239152 3 months ago |
Although, 114, I'm even ok with that. I'm totally alright with planning and allowing everyone to feel comfortable. So, don't get me wrong. If this can be done in a reasonable way and assure the comfort of all involved that could be a good idea too. Back when I had to work "real" jobs there were things like this. Specifically designed "smoking" cages where the smokers could go where it wouldn't really affect anyone else. That's fine. |
| Anonymous #1239198 3 months ago |
@Professor
Can you say the exact amount of smoke or dangerous substances a person need to breath in order to develop a lung disease? Also, please remember that cancer isn't the only disease caused by smoking. http://kidshealth.org/teen/drug_alcohol/tobacco/smoking.html You can say that it's a miniscule amount... but how are you so sure? Those things depend from person to person and time to time. There is no way to put it into quantity. Now I agree: it would be normally hard to develop a disease from a one time act. But the fact is that this isn't a one time occasion: it would happen a lot of times. A minuscule amount a lot of times makes a huge amount in the long run. How much time does it takes to a body to relieve himself from the poisonous substances, for example? |
| ProfessorOfHoers #1239226 3 months ago |
It's highly unlikely. Most literature I've ever read on the subject says that damaging effects occur over long periods of time with frequent usage. The arguement that could be made would be less about carcinogens and such and more about allergies and asthma, which could be aggravated by such things.
Generally the effects of one cigarette can be healed (if you actually smoke the whole cigarette) in about 2 hours. Within 40 minutes you heart rate returns to normal. Within an hour your blood pressure returns to normal. Within 1:30 your body removes the nicotine completely, and within 2:00 your body is back functioning normally. This is the effect of 1 cigarette though. I don't know about other substances. |
| Anonymous #1239245 3 months ago |
Teehee...Butt... |
| Anonymous #1239263 3 months ago |
@Professor
See? It really depends from who is the passive smoker. A person with a already debilited body would suffer much more than a health one. Now consider that it isn't a single smoker, but a group of them. And consider that a person could go outside many times a day, so he could be under the constant effect of smoking. There is many things that counts as smoking. Also there is many people with different limitations. There is just so many variables, if you can get what my point is. |
| ProfessorOfHoers #1239292 3 months ago |
It's unlikey though. And the carcinogens made from cigarette (or tobacco) smoke is limited and short lived compared to many other factors such as traffic, manufacture, etc.
I think it's ok to try and study thing and make adjustments but the original argument was essentially "Stay in your home and get away form me and never smoke or I'll instantly die!" This is unrealistic and of a much lower risk than many other things. But even as a smoker I'm always ok with trying to do what's possible to give people options to avoid it if that's their wish. I think compromise and planning are possible. |
| isthachakena #1239293 3 months ago |
>asthma
Being unable to breathe isn't fun. |
| ProfessorOfHoers #1239319 3 months ago |
Asthma isn't fun. Unfortunately it's usually caused by local and natural sources such as pollen, possible smog, level of humidity, and the levels of dirt in the air from the wind.
Asthma is almost always made worse by natural sources, the most prominent being dirt, pollen, and wind swept dust or dirt. |
| Anonymous #1239336 3 months ago |
@Professor
I guess we won't get much further than this. I would like to add that just because there is traffic, manufacture doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything about cigars. This is an argument falacy if I am not mistaken. "Just because there is something wrong, doesn't mean we can add another wrong thing." Anyway, I would like now to talk about yourself: have you ever given a thought to stop smoking? |
| ProfessorOfHoers #1239369 3 months ago |
Nope, I love smoking. It's relaxing and enjoyable. It's a fallacy, however, to blame one thing that people do as being a million times worse than the problems that cause much worse damage.
I've already stated that it's ok to try to protect people be reasonable means. So, it's a fallacy to believe that I've said "oh well, just deal with it." Rather, I've demonstrated that passive or second hand smoking in limited environments (IE, not in a household where regularly breathed, etc.) is a negligible threat that will not destroy your life. So, I guess it won't get much further because the truth is that you just simply wish to limit or remove another's right to do as they wish regardless of the level of damage it causes. |
| Anonymous #1239403 3 months ago |
@Professor
I never said it was a worse. Nobody did. But it is far easier to deal with than others things, that is why it's more brought up. Which is easier: making factories install more filters or reducing smoking places? Like I said, you can't safely say it is negligible. You can't talk about each person who is outside. We should limit things that do affect others. Remember that the freedom of one ends where the freedom of another ones begins. Anyway, back to yourself: you don't mind all the poison you are putting in your body? How many cigars or ciggarettes you smoke in a week? |
| isthachakena #1239471 3 months ago |
I am aware of how asthma works. I spent my childhood taking treatments every day breathing through this tube thing as a loud machine pumped vapor medicine through it.
So no, maybe I won't get cancer or "instantly die" if someone smokes near me, but I will have to get away from them to be able to breathe. I appreciate that you're willing to compromise though. I don't care if people smoke in their homes or in bars or in whatever smoking places as long as I can avoid going there. I just can't stand it when people think just being anywhere outside automatically removes all problems. Before my college banned smoking completely, it was awful just trying to go anywhere because there were so many people smoking outside the doors of all the buildings. (Despite all the signs that said not to do that) |
| Anonymous #1239488 3 months ago |
Guys!
GUYS! butts! |