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| PonyRIG #1198484 3 months ago |
but he is not techinically a bad guy... |
| Anonymous #1198496 3 months ago |
>(Not a monster)
Dohoho oh wow. |
| Glord #1198506 3 months ago |
only because he accepted his being outwitted.
Everyone would agree that the antagonists so far are Trixie, Gilda, The Diamond Dogs, Discord, and the Flim Flam Brothers? And NMM. And whoever is going to make the clones. |
| B2C #1198526 3 months ago |
Flim Flam aren't villians. Trixie might not be. |
| sargesprinkles #1198533 3 months ago |
he's still not a bad guy. all he did was his job and the customer was unsatisfied. he held up his end of the bargain like a good business man and left on even terms. |
| Glord #1198539 3 months ago |
I said antagonists.
Just because someone is an antagonist doesn't mean they are a villain. For an example, there's the 3 generals from Fire Emblem The Sacred Stones, Miciah and Ike in Radiant Dawn. I could go on for a while with Fire Emblem examples. |
| Glord #1198542 3 months ago |
@sarge
Exactly, but he'd be an antagonist if he hadn't been a good business man about it. And the show was more cynical. |
| PonyRIG #1198543 3 months ago |
Gilda, Trixie and the flim brothers aren't villains, they are jerks, but Iron Will is not a jerk. |
| Glord #1198550 3 months ago |
ANTAGONISTS!!!!
God damnit! There's a fucking difference!! |
| Scumbag_Crowley #1198553 3 months ago |
I'd say the Teenage Dragons deserve a spot; they were dicks and they knew it. |
| PonyRIG #1198562 3 months ago |
Jerks: Trixie, Flim brothers, Gilda, teen dragons, diamond tiara and silver spoon
designate villain (tv troper it): iron will villains: NNM and Discord |
| Glord #1198571 3 months ago |
Well I really can't think of a GBA Fire Emblem class sprite to fit the..... Gargoyles from Sacred Stones maybe?
And can no one see a difference between labeling one a villain and an antagonist?  |
| PonyRIG #1198580 3 months ago |
@glord:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DesignatedVillain |
| Glord #1198587 3 months ago |
Yes I've read the page before.
antagonist is shorter to type though. |
| sargesprinkles #1198600 3 months ago |
Rarity and Pinkie made him into an antagonist but he himself showed that he was a fair, albeit disappointed, businessman. |
| Shad0will #1198606 3 months ago |
they chosen the wrong guy: Iron Will is not technically a villain. |
| Glord #1198611 3 months ago |
which is why I didn't include him in my list. |
| Anonymous #1198621 3 months ago |
antagonist is too general everyone could be an antagonist |
| KennyMan666 #1198622 3 months ago |
Let's see here. If you ask me, for roughly lining up with the originals, I'd go with Trixie for Matthew Patel, Iron Will for Lucas Lee (since he wasn't evil in the comic, just a sellout), Gilda for Roxie Richter, Flim & Flam for Ken & Kyle Katayanagi and Discord for Gideon Graves. ...got nothing for Todd Ingram, though. |
| KennyMan666 #1198637 3 months ago |
Also, really like these pictures. |
| Glord #1198643 3 months ago |
antagonist means someone who is opposing the protagonists. Both the Protagonist and their antagonist could have noble, heroic goals, but are for some reason pitted against one another.
villain means they are evil, what they want can in no way be considered noble to anyone but themselves and anyone who willingly follows them. At least that's the best I can explain the difference. |
| BigMax #1198689 3 months ago |
Glord@1198539 said: Antagonists are against someone for a reason. The Wiki explains it. Iron Will is not an antagonist: he just wanted what he thought he deserved and actually played fair. He was a nice guy in the end. Flim & Flam weren't against the Apple family, they just wanted to win the business. That wasn't personal. Trixie wasn't against Twilight Sparkle at all. She held a show, and the great part of her job was playing the role. Gilda is just a jerk. She fights everyone that stands in front of her. She couldn't care a feather of what other ponies do as long as they haven't anything to do with her. PonyRIG@1198562 said: Nope: Iron Will can't even be a designated villain, because he's not evil. |
| Super_Writer #1198693 3 months ago |
The antagonist is the person against the protagonist, good or evil. In case of Putting your Hoof Down, everyone that interacted with Fluttershy was an antagonist at one point. The residence of Ponyville were jerks to her, Pinkie and rarity were against her new attitude, and Iron Will wanted his money. All three went against the protagonist, all three were antagonists, and none of them were villains. |
| Glord #1198717 3 months ago |
I AM NOT FUCKING TALKING ABOUT IRON WILL!!!
I didn't even list him in my first comment asking about the antagonists!! God damnit will you internet people read! |
| Glord #1198733 3 months ago |
@Super_Writer
Oh thank god someone who knows what they're talking about. |
| PonyRIG #1198745 3 months ago |
@BigMax: you didn't readed the troper? designate villain is when another character says someone is evil even if it's not (points Rarity and Pinkie Pie) |
| MysteryEzekude #1198746 3 months ago |
@All of above
Where's this coming from? I didn't ask for it! |
| Glord #1198758 3 months ago |
Probably my comment asking about the antagonists so far.
Which devolved into an argument about antagonist/villain and if Iron Will is an antagonist. Should have asked on one of the others. |
| BigMax #1198763 3 months ago |
Super_Writer@1198693 said: None of them were antagonists. You can't consider someone an antagonist only because of an argument that lasted just one scene. Antagonists represent long lasting struggles. That's what literature teaches. |
| BigMax #1198782 3 months ago |
Glord@1198717 said: Would you please calm the fuck down? PonyRIG@1198745 said: I read it. Just confirms what I thought: Iron Will can't be seen as any kind of villain, because you can't picture him as evil in any way. You could if, for example, he smashed Fluttershy's door, but he gently knocked instead. |
| Super_Writer #1198791 3 months ago |
@BigMax:
And for that one scene, a character can be an antagonist, not the main antagonist, but an antagonist indeed. |
| PonyRIG #1198798 3 months ago |
what i had done?! SERIOUS BUSINESS! SERIOUS BUSINESS EVERYWHERE! |
| BigMax #1198807 3 months ago |
Super_Writer@1198791 said: Only if the scene covers the whole play. Not the case, so they weren't antagonists. |
| Glord #1198814 3 months ago |
I honestly can't think of any example that would sway your opinion.
I concede! May someone else take up my sword! |
| Super_Writer #1198840 3 months ago |
@BigMax:
A character's alignment can change over the course of a story. It is quite common for early villains to become protagonists, and vice versa. This never changes the fact that at one time they were with or against the protagonist. |
| Glord #1198841 3 months ago |
Not your opinion of Iron Will not being an antagonist, your opinion on the meaning. |
| Glord #1198843 3 months ago |
Look at Act 3 of Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn. |
| Anonymous #1199343 3 months ago |
@PonyRIG: A Designated Villain is a non-villain treated as a villain by the story, Iron Will doesn't count because Rarity and Pinkie Pie were shown to be wrong about him. |
| Erroneous #1200175 3 months ago |
The point is that Iron Will isn't the antagonistic force in the episode. He doesn't get in the protagonists way of achieving what it is they want to achieve. Fluttershy herself was the Antagonist in that episode, taking her training in assertiveness too far to the point where she hurts peoples feelings. Iron Will, if anything was just a support. It wasn't his fault that she went too far. |