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| Anonymous #1153515 4 months ago |
Well fellow anon, They are the Sonic part of the fanbase if you know what I mean. |
| Anonymous #1153523 4 months ago |
Best episode ever, end of discussion |
| Anonymous #1153524 4 months ago |
"chan forums" does this answer your question? |
| Impious #1153529 4 months ago |
Well, dear anon, they are but silly fucktards. Just ignore them. |
| Anonymous #1153537 4 months ago |
People think that because Spike followed his moral compass and stuck true to his roots, he is a doormat that can't stand up for himself. So he should have smashed that egg to gain acceptance with a group of people that needed stunts like that to gain their friendship? |
| Anonymous #1153538 4 months ago |
to be fair OP, this is the first time i heard that |
| Anonymous #1153539 4 months ago |
@515
...i guess they are....retarded? |
| NightJack #1153541 4 months ago |
@Anon515
You mean he part of the fandom that everyone outside of the fandom thinks is the whole fandom but in reality is only the bad part of it, like that Sonic fandom? |
| jimlahey #1153545 4 months ago |
So you were on message boards/forums discussing the show and decided the best way to clear up some confusion you had was to ask over at an art archive |
| CottonTales #1153557 4 months ago |
1 chan forums just think about that
2 people have opinions I enjoyed the episode, not much feminism...wait what racism? 3 NTR is like spike watching the teenage dragons fuck rarity it's a fetish it's weird I don't care |
| TooOldForThisShow #1153560 4 months ago |
>plagued with feminism
Citation needed. |
| Anonymous #1153561 4 months ago |
@jimlahey
in comparison to the other message board and forums you guys seem a little more tame |
| EricNeoMatrix #1153570 4 months ago |
Yeah, whoever is saying this kind of stuff is completely retarded.
Worst episode of season 2? Hell no. |
| AppleDash #1153571 4 months ago |
Did anyone here think this was the worst episode? I haven't heard that at all. |
| Anonymous #1153579 4 months ago |
@cottontales
@toooldforthisshow From what i have read it seems the racism is directed towards the dragons themselves. Like spike giving his back to his own race and calling himself a pony. Its kinda weird. |
| Impious #1153593 4 months ago |
Ponibooru IS pretty low on dumbfaggotry. We don't even add "fag" to the end of our words. Well, not as much. |
| BattleGT #1153596 4 months ago |
People who say it was the worst episode are just saying that because they don't like Merriweather Williams. Now after a few episodes I still think she needs to get a slightly better grasp of the characters and tend to overwrite them kinda like she did with Rarity. But it wasn't the WORST episode ever. |
| Anonymous #1153608 4 months ago |
Don't mind them, fellow anon. They just are...they're just a chan...
As for NTR or Netorare, well... I'll just refer to TvTropes. "Netorare is essentially a genre whose goal is to project discomfort on the audience's part (much like horror flicks are intended to provoke unintended bowel movements), where the discomfort comes in the form of sexual jealousy. Typically, a heroine will be introduced as having a significant other, which may be a husband, a boyfriend, or even a partner... The story will then show the aforementioned heroine being intimate with another man (another girl just doesn't pack the same punch), thus provoking jealousy in the audience by proxy. The nature of the affair varies, and the parties involved may be willing or unwilling." And there you have it. |
| CottonTales #1153610 4 months ago |
@3579
I...could kind of see that...I guess it's just a result of over analyzing things |
| Anonymous #1153618 4 months ago |
To be fair every dragon we've seen thus far has been some degree an asshole except for Spike and Steven (and probably Crackle). |
| HeinousActsZX #1153621 4 months ago |
@Impious
We're obviously talking about two different Poniboorus here. |
| Saint_Braeburn #1153635 4 months ago |
1. what?
2. WHAT? 3. [h2] WHAT? [h2] Clearly people are just jealous of Spike and Merriweather Williams swag. In short  |
| Anonymous #1153638 4 months ago |
@608
ಠ_ಠ |
| CogWeaver #1153639 4 months ago |
@561
While I'm sure we appreciate that compliment, I think we can all agree that's often not the case, unfortunately. In answer to your questions, I think everyone else pretty much covered everything. If you're confused about what "beta male" means, though, it's basically a rung lower than "alpha-male" and is seen as the "Foreveralone and/or Okay.jpg" kind of guy. Pretty much a doormat. |
| Anonymous #1153662 4 months ago |
@CogWeaver
OHHHH. Now i get it. Why thank you everyone, this little discussion was quite enlightening. |
| Anonymous #1153664 4 months ago |
Ntr= Rage fape
Pony Ntr = Rage clop? |
| TheGrimGravy #1153668 4 months ago |
has derpy been seen in this episode? |
| Anonymous #1153676 4 months ago |
*read netorare fic with rarity*
I AM PERFECTLY CALM |
| BattleGT #1153693 4 months ago |
No Derpy Sighting |
| Anonymous #1153698 4 months ago |
I loved this episode. Spike stuck to his guns and stayed by his true friends. And since when is not acting like a jerk "beta"? I'd rather have a cool guy like Spike who loves and respects his friends. |
| Anonymous #1153700 4 months ago |
@CogWeaver
From my experience, the terms "alpha-male" and "beta male" are used by assholes in an attempt to justify their asshole behavior. This just my personal experience though. |
| TooOldForThisShow #1153707 4 months ago |
"To be fair every dragon we've seen thus far has been some degree an asshole except for Spike and Steven"
But Steven Magnet isn't a dragon, he's a serpent. |
| Anonymous #1153719 4 months ago |
This episode was fucking rad, top 10 of the whole season. People who claim it's the worst are fucked up, yo.
Maybe it's because I don't take the show so seriously and try to enjoy it mostly for A. comedic moments and good jokes (Crackle is my favorite moment in the entire series so far) and B. super rad animation. Once I had time to think it over and found a few reasonable responses towards it from others, I thought the way Rarity acted towards Spike made sense and totally worked. As for any any signs of feminism or the whole "beta male" aspect with Spike, I'm just not educated enough to know or care about any of that stuff. I'm totally ignorant regarding these issues/subjects and I intend on staying that way. ESPECIALLY concerning this show, seeing how it's still a children's show despite the wide appeal it has. I try not to think hard about most things in the first place, and I'm certainly not going to start thinking any harder over a show who's target audience is little girls, despite it being far more intelligent, well-written and made than most other children's shows out there today. this post sucks and so does anybody who's (apparently) getting really pissy about this episode. fuck you and fuck me too. ps: merriweather wiiliams has DEFINITELY improved and i look forward to future episodes written by her. |
| Anonymous #1153720 4 months ago |
>netorare fic with rarity
That's going to be a thing now? God damn it... |
| Anonymous #1153725 4 months ago |
@TOFTS
thats racist |
| Anonymous #1153733 4 months ago |
Anonymous
#1153719 I want to marry you. |
| CogWeaver #1153740 4 months ago |
@Gravy
Don't think so, unless they were counting Crackle's derped eyes and general appearance as Derpy's dragon form. |
| TheGrimGravy #1153741 4 months ago |
hmmm the absence of derpy disturbs me... |
| Anonymous #1153748 4 months ago |
I was dissapointed that they didnt really go into any depth with the dragons history and culture, instead opting with the tired "main character gets mixed up with the wrong crowd" cliche. Be that as it may I cant hosently call this the worst episode ever, just mediocre and a little disappointing. |
| BackgroundPony17 #1153761 4 months ago |
Troll post is trolling. |
| Rostam #1153762 4 months ago |
he is a fucking baby dragon. how is that beta? |
| coolgame17 #1153763 4 months ago |
@Saint_Braeburn:
Why, yes I'm jelly! Seriously, is there anyone can explain the link between feminism and the episode? What I've mostly seen in the episode is the image of a group (What people see in the dragons) VS. individuality. I mean: What I did not yet understand?Someone, enlighten me please! |
| Saint_Braeburn #1153774 4 months ago |
@Gravy
The Absence of Derpy is not the Derpy of Absence. |
| EricNeoMatrix #1153785 4 months ago |
@Anon748: I'm actually kinda glad they didn't, since it allowed a bit more space for explanation in a future episode and it didn't turn into another "fanon-canon" war. |
| Rostam #1153819 4 months ago |
^ I think Neo is on to something.... |
| Zincy #1153830 4 months ago |
I sense the moral crusaders will start another shit-storm. I fear for us all. |
| Anonymous #1153875 4 months ago |
@Coolgame17
I cant answer the feminism question for you as I dont really get that complaint either, but the racism from this episode comes from this: Every dragon with the exception of spike has been shown to be rude at best (the red dragon from dragonshy) to maliosus at worst (the green dragon form "owls well that ends well" . With this being the first episode focusing on dragons as a whole the writers had a chance to show that not all dragons are the scary evil hellbeast the ponies made them out to be. For some reason the writers not only to keep up with the stereotypes, but to exaggerate them. For example what if the "bridle gossip" episode ended with Zecora actually trying to eat Apple Bloom instead of showing that she wasn't evil. |
| Anonymous #1153876 4 months ago |
@Coolgame17
I cant answer the feminism question for you as I dont really get that complaint either, but the racism from this episode comes from this: Every dragon with the exception of spike has been shown to be rude at best (the red dragon from dragonshy) to malicious at worst (the green dragon form "owls well that ends well" . With this being the first episode focusing on dragons as a whole the writers had a chance to show that not all dragons are the scary evil hellbeast the ponies made them out to be. For some reason the writers not only to keep up with the stereotypes, but to exaggerate them. For example what if the "bridle gossip" episode ended with Zecora actually trying to eat Apple Bloom instead of showing that she wasn't evil. |
| Saint_Braeburn #1153917 4 months ago |
@Zincy
I'm scared. Hold me. |
| Zincy #1153928 4 months ago |
Forgive my Tvtropeyness, but I view the dragons as a "Planet of hats/always chaotically evil" kind of thing. Like Orcs or Trolls, they are just a giant race of one single hat. Spike is the "defector from decadence" and follows his moral compass rather then fall into the sea of hats. |
| Anonymous #1153935 4 months ago |
@zincy
@saint braeburn the only way to scare the moral crusaders is to make a giant mountain of faggotry. Everyone, get naked and start making the mountain. |
| Zincy #1153939 4 months ago |
Sorry Saint, to busy gathering my Anti-Moralfag torches. |
| Anonymous #1153944 4 months ago |
@EricNeoMatrix
I can respect that, it still bugs me how much build up they gave us for nothing. They set the story up like we were going to uncover some of the mystery behind the dragon race, and the only thing we learned is that teenage dragons are just as dickish as adult ones, a reveal I don't believe warranted this level of build up. They could of thrown us a bone and told us something about them, anything really. |
| Anonymous #1153952 4 months ago |
@zincy
its fine, but try to talk in earthling |
| EQUINE_excite #1153963 4 months ago |
Surprisingly, you guys are the most level-headed folks I've seen. The channers are moany meta-lovers with anal overanalyzing.
Also, anyone seriously using the beta/alpha measurements are complete idiots. |
| Anonymous #1153975 4 months ago |
I noticed something. These dragons were fine sharing their gems among them, even to spike. And they didnt seem too mindless, like spike.
So i believe that either: These dragons are under controlled hoarding or They matured naturally so they are more civilized than spike when he had his greed drive. |
| Zincy #1153995 4 months ago |
3952, a "Planet of Hats" is when an entire race demonstrates the same basic character trait. "Always Chaotically evil" is when said character trait is something evil or nasty. "Defector from Decadence" is when a character of a faction or race thats evil or bad decide to follow their own moral compass rather then the crowd. |
| some_zigga #1154034 4 months ago |
@Zincy
See Im not a big fan of that trope, expesslily for a kids show. Spike is part of the main cast and his race has been shown thus far to be just as sentient as the rest of the sentient creatures. This may be a bit personal but as a black man, I've had to constantly deal with condescending white people telling me about how i'm "different" from other black people because i'm educated and don't speak with an urban dialect. I'm most likely overeating to this, but I don't think the lesson that the only way for spike to be a good person is to reject his race's culture in favor of the ponies "right" one is a good moral to teach to kids. |
| Zincy #1154052 4 months ago |
Well, technically since they no longer carry an E.I. rating, they don't have to teach kids any moral or Aesop and can focus on straight entertainment. So they don't actually have to have a moral. That being said, I still stand by my theory that the dragons were being used as a sort of "moral foil" for Spike. Its just a rule of thumb in fantasy, you'll always have that one asshole race. |
| Anonymous #1154092 4 months ago |
I just wish the anti-Rarity/Spike people would quit trying to justify their squick by overanalyzing everything. Seriously, nobody cares. |
| kamazeustra #1154094 4 months ago |
I also don't see the feminism thing. At all. And I agree with #975, for a bunch of dickish teens they seemed surprisingly willing to share their hoard. |
| some_zigga #1154102 4 months ago |
@Zincy
Its not that I don't believe that that's what they were going for, I just don't agree with it being in this kind of show. Especially since they still seem to be trying to teach good morals to kids despite their rating change. |
| coolgame17 #1154116 4 months ago |
@1153876: If I understood: many were disappointed because many see the discrimination against dragons due to those seen in the episode? Who is the most racist: the one who don't like [insert names here] because they act as jerks or the one says it's racist for a dragon to be jerk? Okay, with the exception of Spike, we have not seen a dragon which is nice so far, but still it does not mean that does not exist. The interpretation that these people are doing seems to be that if one does something, all of which are from the same characteristic as the one are in the same boat and must pay the price, but no recoil to say it before any individual issue, not race. Probably they wanted the episode is about the dragons (or at least have the theme of dragons), but at first glance the episode before on Spike with the theme "Who am I VS. what I am".
In short: they want wine while it is water. |
| EQUINE_excite #1154122 4 months ago |
@some_zigga
What? Reject his culture? Those dragons were just teenage assholes, not ambassadors of Draconic culture. If you didn't want to help a group of black guys rob a bank, would you consider that "against your culture?" No that would be against your own morals. .......Unless of course, you DO rob banks. |
| coolgame17 #1154124 4 months ago |
"but at first glance the episode is before all on Spike with the theme..." |
| Zincy #1154131 4 months ago |
I don't really think its about race, as EQUINE said, those were just stupid kids doing stupid shit. Still, I will say if my entire species was doing god-awful shit...you better believe I would distance myself from it. Heritage be damned, I have my own moral compass. |
| CogWeaver #1154141 4 months ago |
@Zincy
I like that trope for this situation. I really got the feel for the dragon mentality of being simply: "Do I want to eat you, and am I able to eat you?" Spike being raised by ponies (and Twilight, no less) pretty much broke this, though it started to present itself again when he got greedy (although instead of "eat" it was "take". But it quickly could have turned to eat, had he continued being a 'greedy monster') |
| CottonTales #1154145 4 months ago |
@Zincy
...that makes me think something...that makes me give serious thought to why some people-No fuck it the second I mention that there's just going to be more to talk about |
| Zincy #1154147 4 months ago |
Its like what Søren Kierkegaard, one of my favorite philosophers(well, on this subject, not a fan of all the religious guff) said, be an individual, follow your own guides and not the will of the crowd. |
| Zincy #1154160 4 months ago |
Cotton, now you have me curious. But I imagine we don't want to throw any more fuel on the fire.... |
| coolgame17 #1154166 4 months ago |
>Søren Kierkegaard
>Don't know who is the individual >"said, be an individual, follow your own guides and not the will of the crowd." >mfw  |
| Zincy #1154177 4 months ago |
Is that a good thing or a bad thing coolgame? |
| coolgame17 #1154186 4 months ago |
@Zincy: Someone who says this is no a shame to be an individual? IT'S A FUCKING GOOD THING! :D
PS: It just means that I now have curiosity for this Søren Kierkegaard, that's all. |
| Zincy #1154199 4 months ago |
Ah, Kierkegaard was a philospher from Denmark, he is creditid as being the father of Religious Existentialism, but is well known for works in Absurdism and and Neo-theism. I avoid the religious stuff, not a christian myself, but his works on emotion and individuality are fascinating. |
| Dark_Horst #1154308 4 months ago |
those two eyes of mine, surely they must be deceiving me |
| I_Like_Your_Mane #1154998 4 months ago |
True story: The worst parts of this fandom needs a scapegoat and needs to keep saying crap about Merriweather Williams no matter how retarded the argument, no matter how short the straw, no matter how ugly the real life bullshit they want to pull into a cute cartoon about pastel ponies.
It's a cartoon. Get the fucking over it. I love all Merriweather eps including Mare Do Well. Boo fucking hoo, eh? |
| Saint_Braeburn #1155138 4 months ago |
^ If this wasn't the Internet I would hug you. |
| Zancrow #1156191 3 months ago |
It's like this with every new episode.
New episode airs---->people on the Internet go WORST.EPISODE.EVER.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |