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| Anonymous #1118643 4 months ago |
Timey Wimey
Paradox Solved! |
| Anonymous #1118644 4 months ago |
oh wow, an opinion |
| Anonymous #1118654 4 months ago |
^An opinon?
more like an idea. |
| HotFuzz #1118660 4 months ago |
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| ROTHY #1118664 4 months ago |
Do you even know how time travel works? It's deliberately confusing so that we never time travel in the first place. |
| Anonymous #1118669 4 months ago |
oh look another doctor whooves fannon |
| Anonymous #1118670 4 months ago |
^another opinion |
| Anonymous #1118674 4 months ago |
^Fannon?
more like Fanon. |
| Roboshi #1118677 4 months ago |
it's a closed loop paradox, ala the song of storms in Ocarina of Time |
| ForcesWerwolf #1118681 4 months ago |
^ actually i belive when time travel would be possible, we would so often change the time line (wanted or unwanted) until we reach a time line in which we don't found a way to time travel yet and... bang. again and again. never possible. |
| D_Pony #1118684 4 months ago |
ehrrr... ever heard of Stable Time Loops? |
| Psychopomf #1118688 4 months ago |
Stable Time Loops
There are no double paradox reacharounds here MOVE ALONG IF THERE ARE ANY INSTABILITIES, THE DOCTOR WILL FIX THEM |
| ForcesWerwolf #1118689 4 months ago |
sure d_pony, but every stable time loop got an origin how it was created
and besides it was just an idea nothing else, which i thought i could share |
| Anonymous #1118692 4 months ago |
This is the kind of time paradox that creates itself, so at the same time there is no time paradox, just an event that was born from itself. |
| NightJack #1118693 4 months ago |
It's a predestination paradox, basically it has to happen the way it does just for it to happen, no Trollestia as, if it didn't happen, all realty would go kaput. |
| Anonymous #1118701 4 months ago |
This is what happens when you can't tell the difference between fanon and canon and just merge them together. |
| ForcesWerwolf #1118706 4 months ago |
just open your minds there is no stable time loop without something which created the time loop itself.
sure the first timeline was not looped, but made the second possible which is the time loop than. it's not really that hard. |
| NightJack #1118707 4 months ago |
And I think the reason it started was Twi getting worried about finding time to schedule making a schedule but ended up in the same condition as thinking there was a disaster. |
| Psychopomf #1118714 4 months ago |
@Nightjack
TH3 UN1V3RS3 34T2 P4R4DOX3S FOR BR34KF4ST >;]  |
| ForcesWerwolf #1118715 4 months ago |
@1118701 go ahead and troll somewhere else, all fanon is based on the canon at a given level |
| NightJack #1118721 4 months ago |
@ForcesWerwolf
But that is where a predestination paradox comes in, it's a form of stable time loop that doesn't need anything to create it other then it needed to happen. |
| ForcesWerwolf #1118727 4 months ago |
@nightjack: that is as well a good thought. and i guess thats the highest possible thing. and actually makes canon sense (mine was more a fanon idea) |
| Anonymous #1118728 4 months ago |
ForcesWerwolf
#1118715 How was that trolling? I could say the same about you. And the fanon is *always* wrong (although they do have some decent ideas that get shot down with every episode) Twilight did this to herself. That's all. |
| ForcesWerwolf #1118738 4 months ago |
@nightjack's 2nd post:
sure both is possible, that it happens from alone, like you said in your first post, and/or if someone helped a bit. first more canon, second more fanon |
| Anonymous #1118740 4 months ago |
Never understood time travelling... Time itself is just a measure of movement + speed. |
| Vree #1118750 4 months ago |
That's not how a closed loop works...I thought everyone understood this much about time travel. There IS no first Twilight; the Twilight that goes back IS the same Twilight.
If you want to make it so that a separate time travel event kickstarts the loop you can of course make it so, but there is nothing mysterious about the initial event that'd demand it. |
| Anonymous #1118758 4 months ago |
Vree
#1118750 This. A million times this. |
| ForcesWerwolf #1118761 4 months ago |
@1118728 fanon is something which is made from the canon. which could be possible with what we see from the show, but is not proven or any canon. like for example lyra and bon bon. they were never canon in the first place but later the animators made this fanon canon. and what i ment at a given level is: the fans take what they know from the show and create their own storys around it, which could be possible. so it's based on cannon. so what i want to say is saying that someone is unable to see what is fanon and what is canon is like saying "fuck you and your idea". which is in my eyes trolling. of course it is fanon what i did there. i do know what canon means. |
| NightJack #1118763 4 months ago |
@ForcesWerwolf
Actually the 2nd thing I said is ultimately the very reason everything in Terminator happens, basically the time travel is why John Connor is born and Skynet is made. |
| ForcesWerwolf #1118776 4 months ago |
vree: you dont know what i mean, of course there is no "other" first twilight, its just another timeline, which get's changed when you travel back, she still keeps being the same. being and in side the closed loop she is even the same twilight from the same timeline. (happened from alone = no time line change, happened with help from others = time line change and than after it the closed loop takes place) |
| Anonymous #1118779 4 months ago |
For once, the meta is not a blatant trollbait. I see the point, but there us no evidence to jump to conclusions. But I guess Celestia could have done something or perhaps Twilight embarrassed herself somehow |
| ForcesWerwolf #1118795 4 months ago |
i think a lot people just take stuff from other time travel movies / series on TV a bit to far into reality nobody knows how time travel woudl work if they would exist, and it dont matters how the fict of the movie is saying so. :) you just need to think a bit and open your mind to how can even such a time loop could begin to happen. nobody nows so nobody from us is even right at all. but i think its still one of the most interesthing things on that world to think about. |
| Anonymous #1118797 4 months ago |
Time travel theories are not agreed upon to begin with. It could be a single Twilight or infinite Twilights spurred by a totally different past. We won't know for sure |
| NightJack #1118817 4 months ago |
Anon797 is right so let's just accept that it happened and move on. |
| ForcesWerwolf #1118833 4 months ago |
i agree |
| Anonymous #1118880 4 months ago |
Blame Pinkie. She discovered the spell scroll. If you blame Pinkie, it all makes sense.
Pinkie's in her heaven; all's right with the world. |
| ForcesWerwolf #1118900 4 months ago |
@8880 yeah,
actually pinkie would be the best partner for "crimes", no wall could stop her. it was pretty smart to take Pinkie with her. |
| Dr_Action #1118999 4 months ago |
you know when I saw this episode, I looked at it like Timesplitters logic
you see her going back into the past was almost like jumping in a wormhole. So it was inevitable for her to stop what she had started. Which would explain why she looked the same and said the same things to her when she went back in time to worn herself. |
| Vree #1119020 4 months ago |
I love every excuse to discuss time travel though :)
This episode actually had another highlight of why closed loops aren't paradox free. Twilight tells herself that the spell is in the Starswirl the Bearded wing. How does she know that? Well of course she knows because Future Twilight had told her. So the information also loops, it has no origin and it goes back to feed into itself. It is easier to see why that is wrong if you imagine an object or person being sent back in time, then after arriving into the past becoming the person or object that will get sent back in time again. Such people or objects should logically age even if they keep travelling through time, so closed loops go against entropy, which says that some amount of energy or other resource is always lost in order to make something happen. |
| Zancrow #1120116 4 months ago |
If FF XIII-2 taught me one thing, then that time travel is bullshit. |
| VTWyrm #1120343 4 months ago |
Predestination paradoxes are pretty weird. |
| Vree #1127855 4 months ago |
You know if I actually wanted to make this into a story, I'd make it into an epic like this:
Starswirl and Twilight are two in a long line of pony scientists who are going to perfect the magic of time travel that'll lead to the foundation of Gallopfree in the far future. Unbenknowst to a young Doctor they are repeatedly breaking their own non intervention rule in secret to ensure Gallopfree's existence. At some point after the Doctor finds out about this, it becomes impossible for him to contact Twilight due to the Time Lords guarding all entrances to the timelines that contain her. He eventually comes up with an insane plan: to send information via a loop. It takes an insane amount of effort to pull this off as it alters not just one time period but the entire universe, but once it is done this time travelling event is now a part of Twilight's past. As a result, she is now aware that a time travel spell left behind by Starswirl exists (something she never questions how she knows in the story) allowing to escape from the Time Lords. |