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| Zancrow #913188 5 months ago |
You don't want to tell me, that disabled people are offended by Derpy, now are you?
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| Anonymous #913200 5 months ago |
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| misnamed #913202 5 months ago |
I'm so very, very tired... please, no more... |
| PonyRIG #913204 5 months ago |
i don't get it, when Snails acted silly, nobody cared, when Derpy acted silly "DURRRRR! IS OFFENSIVE!" |
| Xevnest #913206 5 months ago |
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| Anonymous #913210 5 months ago |
We'll remember your comments if Hasbro cuts all future scenes involving Derpy because of you guys and your intolerance levels. |
| Anonymous #913214 5 months ago |
Derpy Hooves is a stupid name anyway. It's awkward, and doesn't work as a pun. |
| EvilHom3r #913218 5 months ago |
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| Anonymous #913223 5 months ago |
And Ditzy Doo is a better pun, how? |
| Mushi #913232 5 months ago |
fans create derpy, creators make her canon, fans get mad.
wat |
| Anonymous #913233 5 months ago |
I have a lazy eye. I have a speech impediment.
I have an officially tested IQ of 139 and I am a member of Mensa. I think that Derpy Hooves is amazing. The end. |
| gashunk #913234 5 months ago |
Question. Where were these complaints when snails showed up? And other cartoon character with some apparent form of deficiency be it mental or otherwise that got more than thirty seconds of screen time? Where were you when Ren was beating Stimpy senseless for being unable to function as a person?
If you're going to start shit be consistent. |
| Anonymous #913237 5 months ago |
but isn't it obvious right now that america houses (not only, there are good people there, its just that the dumbest are often the loudest...) the most blind-sighted people in the world?
I mean, this is the country that tried to make SOPA pass... |
| DaisyHead #913240 5 months ago |
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| Anonymous #913244 5 months ago |
@#223: Alliteration, for starts. Rolls of the tongue much nicer.
Plus, there wouldn't have been such a shitstorm if it was Ditzy Doo. People would have been a little grumpy that it wasn't Derpy, but would have shrugged it off as 'eh, Hasbro probably wanted to avoid copyright issues." |
| Zancrow #913248 5 months ago |
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| Anonymous #913261 5 months ago |
Hasn't the name Derpy Hooves always been a bit of a sore point for some fans? It wasn't an issue before, of course, since it was all just canon, but now... |
| sargesprinkles #913262 5 months ago |
Dear God,
Could you please put cockroaches into the brains of the people who are still bitches about Derpy so they have something else to worry about? -love Sarge |
| Anonymous #913267 5 months ago |
> Ed from The Lion King
> Ed from Ed, Edd n' Eddy > Cosmo > Patrick Star > Homer Simpson I don't see any complaints about these oft-simple characters. Derpy is no worse than either of the Eds. |
| FuzzyFenrir #913269 5 months ago |
While I admit that I might have felt they went a little overboard on Derpy's voice, like they did with the humor on Lesson Zero (and LZ is my most favourite EP, ever), if they really would've wanted the best, they could've just asked Hasbro to change the voice in a polite manner, one that didn't involve screaming "ABLEIST" in every sentence, or asked them to add scenes where, while she does something silly, they prove, in a way of their choosing, that she's a perfectly fine in the noggin, or that she has friends or some other BS.
Oh, and as numerous people pointed out, for example PonyRIG: PonyRIG said: |
| Zancrow #913270 5 months ago |
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
meant to post this:  |
| gashunk #913272 5 months ago |
@244
No dice. I've seen people talking about how offensive the name Ditzy is. People will throw their shit at anything if it'll stick. |
| Anonymous #913274 5 months ago |
To assume that clumsiness and vision problems are indicative of mental retardation is ableist.
OP should be ashamed. |
| Mute #913278 5 months ago |
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| Harlequin_Jester #913290 5 months ago |
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| sargesprinkles #913306 5 months ago |
^ alright, Syngenor. not a good movie, but entertaining
and 80's boobs |
| Anonymous #913313 5 months ago |
Derpy is a mere lovable klutz.
At no point in the episode did Dash directly, or even indirectly, for that matter, refer to her stupidity or make fun of her. She directly referred to the stupidity of a certain Pegasus who goes by the name "Ditzy Doo", calling her a "featherbrain". So, which is better? The pony who the show has already called an idiot or the pony who now has an effective clean slate? |
| TenchiFreak5 #913328 5 months ago |
In addition to the thing with Snails, I'm curious where these people were when Derpy dropped all that shit on Twilight's head.
Surely if clumsiness + lazy eye = retardation = offensive, then they should have had the same problem with her way back then. |
| TobiasKazama #913331 5 months ago |
Need your faith in humanity restored? go here:>>118296 |
| Anonymous #913334 5 months ago |
^ indeed. Why start complaining now about a year-old joke? |
| Anonymous #913335 5 months ago |
#274: Uh, read the first one again. |
| Anonymous #913340 5 months ago |
@ 334: meant to be ^^ |
| Anonymous #913346 5 months ago |
OP Point #1:
Cool, someone who supports my "whatever" approach to this s***storm...Wait, what's he saying now... OP Point #2: Rejects Love and Tolerance as solution to problem. OP demands that he win an arguement. My TROLLDETECTOR9001 starts pinging... OP Points #3-8: Wow, I actually thought I'd agree with this guy? Ah well, if he rejects my view that Love and Tolerance is "If you think someone is stupid, don't argue with them and just let them be", then I gotta take my own medicine... Oh, and Derpy forever. *salutes* |
| Anonymous #913364 5 months ago |
look dumbfucks do some fucking research
the problem isn't the crossed eyes or the clumsiness, the problem is the name "derpy" you've got like a million pictures of people with down syndrome, cerebral palsy, god knows what other disabilities, with the caption "derp" people use "derp" to marginalise and belittle these people this is something that happens maybe you haven't seen it or experienced it, fine, but guess what, your fucking experience is not everybody's goddamn fucking experience there are people who are hurt by it there are children who are hurt by it maybe some disabled people are okay with it, but guess what, some black people are okay with the n-word, that does not fucking make it acceptable to go throwing racial slurs around nobody's even asking you to take any fucking action if you like derpy hooves, fine, you keep on liking her, but be a fucking human being and have a little fucking compassion for the people who actually have to deal with this shit, who are treated as second-class citizens every single day of their lives, and who have the goddamn right to stand up and say "This is hurtful to us, please stop" do not dismiss their offence as invalid because oh no my fucking cartoon fan character might not show up again love and fucking tolerance my ass |
| Anonymous #913374 5 months ago |
That's why people hate America... that and pillaging oil from defenseless countries I guess, but it's mostly the first. |
| Zancrow #913378 5 months ago |
^
Nofuckingbody is offended by Derpy or derp in general. Derp isn't even a real word, goddamnit. |
| Robomorons #913381 5 months ago |
According to the profile, OP is a "Transgender, Pansexual, Asian American, Disabled, Appalachian, radical Feminist, major depressive, and eating-disordered poet from Berea, KY."
Just the kind of person you want to listen to on this issue(?) |
| Zancrow #913385 5 months ago |
@Anon364 |
| Anonymous #913386 5 months ago |
@#913364
>speaking in behalf of the downies That really suits you you know... |
| TenchiFreak5 #913398 5 months ago |
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but she was paraded around as having the name "Derpy" since fucking Episode 1 of the show by the fanbase.
Anyone who frequents the internet, has seen those "million pictures" and maintains more than a casual interest in the show (and those audiences would be basically the same) would almost certianly have known that already. So how exactly does this change anything? |
| FuzzyFenrir #913408 5 months ago |
^First off, capitalization and a more civil way of writing would be nice, but this is just a personal pet peeve, so moving on.
Second, it has already been established that the same people that protest calling our mailmare "Derpy" also protest calling her "Ditzy". It might not have been the smartest move by the creators, but they were giving us a gift. We'd been calling her that for ages. We are partially to blame for this. Hell, when they named her Ditzy waaaaaaaaaaaay back, everyone started protesting that's not her, that's somepony else. Why react now to it, why didn't they react sooner? |
| Zancrow #913410 5 months ago |
^
It's canon, now. That's it, I guess.... |
| Anonymous #913412 5 months ago |
>#913267
>implying mental disability vs clumsyness/goofyness is the subject Nope. Just butt-devastated ditzyfags with an intense inflamation in their flank that their headcanon was pawn'd. |
| Anonymous #913413 5 months ago |
People offended by Derp? Tchah, please. Only people well-versed in internet memes will know its true meaning and insult - stupidity, not mental retardation. You can have a mental disability and still be clever, and you can be clever but make stupid decisions.
So, really, what's the true insult? Either way, cleverness can be found. Somewhere. |
| FuzzyFenrir #913415 5 months ago |
Ninja'd again. Post was directed @Anon 364 |
| Zancrow #913417 5 months ago |
@Tenchi |
| Harlequin_Jester #913421 5 months ago |
Oh my god guys, OP is Ahuviya Harel! |
| CottonTales #913422 5 months ago |
OP you raise good valid points and I don't even care enough about the issue at hand to attempt to argue |
| Anonymous #913431 5 months ago |
Sometimes I hate the vocal minority. I really do.
They blow everything out of the water just to get their own frickin' ways and then fail to properly justify their actions. Congrats, guys. Great ambassadorial actions for the bronies! |
| Anonymous #913444 5 months ago |
Can someone explain to me how the word Derpy is offensive? |
| Zancrow #913449 5 months ago |
^
It isn't! |
| Anonymous #913455 5 months ago |
@Zancrow well thank fucking god you're here to tell everybody what they think
@TenchiFreak5 are you seriously asking "what is the difference some random fan dudes on the internet doing a thing and an actual company creating an actual cartoon that is broadcast to actual kids on actual public television doing a thing" are you seriously asking that @FuzzyFenrir if you are one of the people addressed by these posts then you do not deserve civility and did it occur to you that maybe nobody wanted to speak up because this is the sort of shit that happens when they do this is the response they get, a bunch of "lol u mad? u mad disabled, lol" idiots shouting them down, belittling them, subjecting them to the same crap that they're so goddamn sick of putting up with shit here's a thought, why didn't all those black slaves do something about their situation sooner, obviously it wasn't really an issue |
| Anonymous #913474 5 months ago |
@455
Did it ever occur to you that people only reply with "lol u mad?" because your argument makes no sense? Derpy isn't an offensive word, Derpy isn't an offensive character. Deal with it. |
| Anonymous #913483 5 months ago |
You raise a good point OP. You are retarded and you should feel offended. |
| Zancrow #913492 5 months ago |
@455
Just doing my job. |
| Anonymous #913496 5 months ago |
@#913455
Did you... did you just compare people with mental disabilities to black people?!  |
| Anonymous #913498 5 months ago |
@913474 shit man, I thought Zancrow was the only one who could tell people what they thought
thank god, 'cause if he/she got sick or something we'd all be fucked yeah you're right nobody finds it offensive, i guess that's why people are contacting the writers to say they were offended and a bunch of disabled people are speaking up to say "thank you guys for doing that and for making these blog posts" |
| Anonymous #913512 5 months ago |
>#913498
>implying these people trully have impaired relatives and are not just buttmad headcanonfags |
| FuzzyFenrir #913515 5 months ago |
^Proof.
Gimme now. Give me at least 20 examples of disabled people thanking ragers for making blog posts. |
| TenchiFreak5 #913518 5 months ago |
Feel free to enlighten me how it makes any difference. It was already canon well before the episode rolled around, most of the people who know the "definition" of the word are the exact same people who would have already been calling her Derpy if they watched the show anyway, and the people who don't know the "definition" of the word still won't know any other meaning for it other than it being a character's name in a TV show.
If this moral crusade was to hold any value when it really only means anything to a select group of people, the people who have a problem with it should have fucking started protesting the fandom's use of it for the character on October 10th of 2010. Not after it has become so permanently engrained in the show that the creators said "sure, why not" months before they even officially introduced her. |
| CottonTales #913519 5 months ago |
@455
Wait...the fuck? black slaves had rebellions and riots since the entire enslavement process began you dumb fuck; those that did not rebel felt essentially helpless or felt that it was better for the group if they did not rebel because...guess what? THEIR LIVES WERE ACTUALLY ON THE LINE As I said this particular argument I don't care for but seriously don't do a damn slippery slope and start comparing people getting offended to slavery |
| Nakanja #913520 5 months ago |
It doesn't look like just a vocal minority of hardcore fans who were uncomfortable with the name. Even if you disagree with them, the hostility people have been subjected to is really disheartening. The staff of the show wouldn't want this kind of "defending". :/ |
| Carcer #913530 5 months ago |
Actually calling her Derpy was fairly borderline but they went and made her apparently actually stupid, and her only characterisation is that she's incompetent. The way she is named and presented is understandably offensive to some people and she should have been handled far, far better than she was. Ever since I saw the episode I was fairly unhappy with it but initially only put it down to her voice rubbing me the wrong way; having stumbled across this drama in the wide ponysphere has helped me think about why I thought the whole thing was rather off.
Everyone posting about how all these other characters in other cartoons would also be offensive if Derpy is offensive so we shouldn't be offended can go fuck themselves; those cartoons are older and we watched them when we were younger and less aware. Now that you mention it, you know, they ARE a bit offensive! Thanks for reminding us. @496 In the context of "oppressed minorities" it's perfectly valid to compare the treatment of disabled people to the historical treatment of black people. |
| Anonymous #913536 5 months ago |
@913496 i compared their situations, yes
they are similar in that they are both marginalised by society and people need to wise the fuck up about how to treat them i did this to point out that "well you should have said something sooner" is a fucking stupid argument nice try but all you really said there was "i suck at reading comprehension" |
| Anonymous #913545 5 months ago |
OP stop samefagging your shit. The fact that you and a handful of your autistic friends got all buttmad and decided to harass the creators with your PC excuses doesn't mean that a millions-strong fanbase, that doesn't give a shit about your retard-sensitivities or spoiled headcanon, has to take your seriously.
Just shut the fuck up and GTFO. |
| Anonymous #913554 5 months ago |
@#913536
>blends his personal sensitivities with racism to gain sympathy points That's manipulative and racist! There's nothing to talk about with the such as you. Have a nice day, you ignorant piece of shit. |
| Anonymous #913558 5 months ago |
If you're trying to prove that something isn't an insult, then geysering verbal abuse at anyone who could potentially doubt you is rather counterproductive. |
| Zancrow #913560 5 months ago |
@Carcer
Fuck no. They visualized Derpy like the whole Fandom visualized her in Fanart. A cute, well-meaning Ditz. Nothing more. And nothing was retarded about her! |
| Sergiroth #913561 5 months ago |
@#913364 'lok dmbfx hurrrr'
Oh, we have got a real tough guy here. Poor soul, you must be lost and confused. First. Get off your fucking moral high horse. Head-first, possibly. Second. Don't you realize that people like you are the ones starting this goddamn shit? We love Derpy, we never said that she was retarded and she was never supposed to be a 'jab' at ableist people. She's portraited as clumsy and silly, but she's also a well-meaning and loveable character. She's NOT a NEGATIVE character. Third. Your comment makes me laugh a lot. Derp is a made up word that doesn't even make sense. When I search for "Derp" on Google, all I get is pictures of people making silly faces, nothing offensive. Also, I have never seen a person using the word "Derp" in the same way the word "Nigga" is used. The problem here is that you guys are just blowing this shit out of proportion, getting defensive for the most stupid shit. Oh, guess what? I'm a motherfucking Italian! I don't get butthurt when a silly cartoon makes fun of my people. inb4 'hurrr durr but thz diffrnt durrrrrr' No, it's not. YOU. GUYS. ARE. BLOWING. THIS. FUCKING. SHIT. OUT. OF. ITS. GODDAMN. MOTHERFUCKING. PROPORTIONS. |
| Carcer #913564 5 months ago |
@545
A finer case for tyranny-by-majority I have never heard. Just because most people are unaffected by an issue does not mean the issue is not an issue, and it still deserves consideration. Most people aren't epileptic and we still don't go around putting seizure-inducing sequences in cartoons all over the place just on the grounds that everybody loves flashing lights and comparatively few people will have problems with it. |
| Anonymous #913571 5 months ago |
@498
I didn't say nobody found it offensive, I said that it wasn't offensive. People can and will be offended by anything. |
| Anonymous #913588 5 months ago |
@#913558
Oh really?! Racists doesn't deserve respect you fucking scum of the earth. |
| Carcer #913589 5 months ago |
@560
They made her sound stupid, they made her do stupid things, and she's presented entirely as being incompetent. There's a difference between well-meaning ditz and how she's presented, and even though you can make a case that they don't explicitly say or do anything really mean, it is IMPLIED for the intended humour of the scene. |
| FuzzyFenrir #913592 5 months ago |
PB needs a "Gentleman Mode" that turns every sentence into old-timey english, so I could at least pretend this conversation is interesting. |
| Anonymous #913594 5 months ago |
@571
That's a very convenient lie. It allows people with no real morals to get away with anything because their victims "would still be upset anyway". |
| Anonymous #913618 5 months ago |
@588
Everyone deserves respect. In fact, thinking one group deserves respect more than another is in fact racist itself. |
| Anonymous #913630 5 months ago |
^That's discrimination not racism. Not that an ignorant racist motherfucker such as you would know the difference. |
| Anonymous #913636 5 months ago |
@#913594
Define "real morals". |
| Anonymous #913641 5 months ago |
Isn't "ditzy" an offensive word too? Isn't it even more wildely used than "derpy" in real life? |
| Anonymous #913643 5 months ago |
OP is the best troll ever |
| Zancrow #913646 5 months ago |
@Carcer
It's a voice which fits her. I think it's cute. And her behaviour is perfect. This is how I imagined Derpy to be. Seriously, who is offended by a wall-eyed cartoon horse? |
| Arne #913647 5 months ago |
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| Anonymous #913649 5 months ago |
@630
So you do believe that discrimination is okay? |
| Anonymous #913650 5 months ago |
You see why people hate you, liberals? |
| Carcer #913655 5 months ago |
@618
No, not everyone deserves respect. Many people do not deserve respect, and if a group is categorised by the fact that they do wilfully something objectionable, then it's entirely fair to say that group does not deserve respect. I'm not of the opinion that "respect must be earned", and the appropriate default state is to show a person some respect; but it is very much the case that respect can be lost, and you should not give respect to people who demonstrate they do not deserve it. But you're just trolling, anyway. |
| Anonymous #913670 5 months ago |
@913636
Caring about others' feelings. The people who dodge the issue by talking about how everything is offensive so they can get away with anything because it's all the same, or whatever other nonsense they've come up with nowdays... they're really just looking for excuses to be slefish, spoiled children. You can tell because of how offended they themselves act. |
| Erroneous #913671 5 months ago |
Derpy isn't a retard but I'm beginning to think the OP is. |
| Anonymous #913672 5 months ago |
@913545 ha yeah i am the op, couldn't possibly be that you're just a stagnant unflushed turdperson who completely deserves to get called out, no sir, i got my fanpony and that's all that matters, HEH
@Sergiroth do you know what "ableist" means of course she wasn't a jab at ableist people what the hell i'll assume you meant "she wasn't supposed to be a jab at disabled people" in which case, no shit nobody's accusing the creators of being hateful, but sometimes people do hurtful shit without realising it, and then you point it out so they can not do it anymore oh and great you've never personally seen it used to belittle people, once again, YOUR EXPERIENCE IS NOT EVERYONE'S EXPERIENCE there are a lot of offensive words that I've never heard used myself, but when people say "that is offensive to people" i do not immediately go "BULLSHIT THAT'S NOT EVEN A REAL WORD YOU'RE JUST BUTTHURT" because i actually have some fucking consideration for other people oh and again just because you don't find something offensive doesn't mean everyone else's offense is invalid, can you even read again nobody's asking you to stop liking the character or have her stricken from the show or whatever, just keep an open fucking mind and realise that not everyone is coming from the same place as you and maybe don't assume that people are just choosing to be offended for no reason |
| Carcer #913674 5 months ago |
@647
Fry is complaining about people just stating that they find something offensive and leaving it at that, because that is indeed a fairly useless thing to do; the people involved in this are explaining how and WHY they are offended, not simply taking offense and expecting everyone to kowtow to their whining. If you can't understand the difference then we're going to have problems. |
| Anonymous #913678 5 months ago |
@#913649
Different kinds of discrimination have different causes, different solutions, different effects on society and the groups they are targeting and different moral implications. You just blend them all together to emotionally reinforce your arguments. That's way more disrespectful to every single discriminated group than let's say making a joke about one of them. |
| Robomorons #913689 5 months ago |
Yo, OP.
http://itemsguy.tumblr.com/post/16431622015 Read it, you'll learn a thing or two. |
| Anonymous #913690 5 months ago |
Wait, "rape culture?" |
| CottonTales #913691 5 months ago |
@641
ditzy isn't actually all that offensive I know ditzy people and I can call them that it simply means scatterbrained or absentminded I've never even heard it offensively mentioned so I don't know where people are getting that it's offensive from same with derpy |
| Arne #913695 5 months ago |
@ Carcer
I posted that because it is honestly how I feel about the people complaining about Derpy. Ok, they find her offensive... I fail to see how it's anyone's problem but their own. Instead of constantly complaining about it, they should work on not being a bunch of pansies. |
| Zancrow #913697 5 months ago |
@Carcer
Nah, dude. Most of these guys are all like: "I think Derpy is offensive, because she isn't named Ditzy and like I imagined her to be." Fucking crybabies. |
| Anonymous #913700 5 months ago |
@674
>simply taking offense and expecting everyone to kowtow to their whining You just did. We all know that blanket statements like that generally aren't meant to be as specific as they literally are. They're stereotypes. And that specific example isn't even true if you take it literally; it's like throwing knives at someone and declaring his screams of pain "meaningless". |
| Anonymous #913705 5 months ago |
@695
Like I said. Selfish, spoiled children. |
| Anonymous #913713 5 months ago |
My best friend's cousin is genuinely offended by milk commercials because it "reminds him of semen" and he gets grossed out by it. Should milk commercials get to be on the air even though he is offended by them?
Yes, yes they should, because he is reading too much into it and being offended by something that isn't offensive. |
| Anonymous #913720 5 months ago |
>#913690
Yeah. "rape culture". OP does his best to exploit every sympathy point he can suck out of words and situations that aren't actually relevant. He even compared the mentally-impaired to the blacks. |
| Anonymous #913722 5 months ago |
@arne yeah shut the hell up minorities, i'm having a good time and that's all that matters |
| Anonymous #913729 5 months ago |
#713: Milk = semen is a large leap in imagination.
Wall-eyed + slurred voice + clumziness + being told to sit down and stop causing trouble = unintentionally offensive, much less so. |
| Anonymous #913730 5 months ago |
@#913705
That's ageism! |
| Mute #913737 5 months ago |
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| Anonymous #913749 5 months ago |
@729
None of those things mean Derpy is disabled in any way. People are just reading into things that aren't there and assuming that she is disabled and then getting offended by those assumptions. Same situation, really. |
| Arne #913752 5 months ago |
@722
Well... when you put it that way, it makes me sound like an asshole. What I'm saying is people really need to stop getting offend over every little thing they think is even remotely questionable. It would make a lot of things better for both them and the people that have to deal with them. |
| hombad26 #913756 5 months ago |
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| Anonymous #913760 5 months ago |
@756
I didn't know you had a picture of OP |
| Anonymous #913762 5 months ago |
@913720 i am not the op you fucking tool, and this "comparison" you're claiming i made is strawman bullshit that you are fabricating so that you can dismiss what i am saying and not have to fucking think
either you know damn well what i meant and are intentionally being obtuse or you really are that fucking dumb in which case i don't even know what to tell you @913713 there is actually a difference between "i don't like this because it's icky" and "i don't like this because it demeans and stereotypes me as a human being, in a world where i am already treated as second-class" were you really unaware of that or are you just spewing shit |
| Anonymous #913770 5 months ago |
OP is a retard that probably got molested as a kid and that's why he can't tell the difference between rape and mental-impairment.
I think he's unstable and clinically insane and not any of his arguments should be taken in consideration. The poor kid... |
| Anonymous #913771 5 months ago |
@752
And it would be great if we could stop feeling pain from surgery; then hospitals wouldn't have to waste money on anasthesia. But that's just wishful thinking; the fact is that people's feelings are hurt by things and we can't easily change that. Acknowledging this is the first step toward actually dealing with it. |
| CottonTales #913772 5 months ago |
Hey Sweetie Belle, that means change of topic right? I vote for chemmicherry vs. cherrichanga vs. pickleberrykumquats |
| Anonymous #913792 5 months ago |
@#913762
>is strawman bullshit that you are fabricating >dat irony when you are the one who equated rape, race and mental-impairment |
| Anonymous #913797 5 months ago |
@#913771
Pain builts character. Which is probably something you'd never know since you are on the internet bitching about "being discriminated" by a show for little girls. |
| Anonymous #913798 5 months ago |
Unless you can prove Derpy is mentally disabled then this whole argument is rubbish and these people are just pulling things out of their asses. I believe she is goofy, clumsy, or a klutz, and will not think otherwise without some proof. |
| Anonymous #913801 5 months ago |
@913770 dohoho that is hilarious especially since it says RIGHT ON THE FRONT FUCKING PAGE THAT THE BLOG OWNER IS A FUCKING SURVIVOR OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
while we're at it don't say the r-word, or would everyone like to argue that disabled people should shut the fuck up about that one as well |
| Anonymous #913814 5 months ago |
Y'know, I only found out about the whole tumblr arguments thing fairly recently. But was the "ableism" thing ever a problem with, say...
Ralph Wiggum? Winnie the Pooh? Goofy? Dopey? The Three Stooges? And seriously, I really want to know what the hell the "rape culture" thing has to do with anything? |
| Anonymous #913816 5 months ago |
^and on my blog's first page it is clearly stated that I AM THE SURVIVOR OF A MOTHERFUCKING ANDEAN CONDOR ATTACK AND THAT I BARELY ESCAPED WITH MY LIFE AFTER CHOPPING IT'S FREAKING HEAD OFF WITH A PLASMA RIFLE! |
| Anonymous #913819 5 months ago |
@797
Like I said. Selfish, spoiled bullies. |
| Anonymous #913820 5 months ago |
>RIGHT ON THE FRONT FUCKING PAGE THAT THE BLOG OWNER IS A FUCKING SURVIVOR OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
BOO-FUCKING HOO! |
| Anonymous #913826 5 months ago |
Hey, whineanon. It's okay if you liken the handicapped to racism, because we, the anonymous bronies from 4chan and other unsavory places, don't like niggers very much either. Zecora is the only one of those we tolerate now. Because My Little Pony has, where nothing else could, slightly warmed our misogynistic, bigoted, mean hearts.
You and your ilk should have stayed the hell away, and felt glad that we were gushing over a silly cartoon character instead of proxying up and posting seizure pics on epilepsy forums. But no. You had to go and beat that fucking hornet's nest. Maybe it's because you're retarded. |
| Robomorons #913827 5 months ago |
@913801 I just posted that a while ago.
Why no one saw it, I dunno. Although my question still stands. Should you really be listening to this person? Or should you listen to the people who know the internet inside and out? |
| Anonymous #913828 5 months ago |
@820 and @816
Ooooookaaay... |
| Robomorons #913831 5 months ago |
@913826: YOU. ARE. NOT. HELPING. |
| Anonymous #913832 5 months ago |
@913814 serious question do you actually know what rape culture is |
| Anonymous #913834 5 months ago |
I'm aware of what it is. What I am NOT aware of is what the fuck it has to do with Derpy. |
| Robomorons #913840 5 months ago |
@913832:Uh.......is it that thing in Africa where the natives believe that if they have sex with a baby then their AIDs will be cured?
Other than that, I have no idea. |
| Anonymous #913841 5 months ago |
@#913831
That's true. What we should really do is raid that's cunts blog with pedobear and lolicon. |
| hombad26 #913843 5 months ago |
As amusing as this all is, it's a bit hard to follow an argument when everyone is anonymous |
| Anonymous #913844 5 months ago |
Rape culture? Is that something you cultivate in a petri dish? (Is that where the 40-pound box of rape comes from?) |
| Anonymous #913851 5 months ago |
If you have problems with traumatic childhood I feel sorry about you, son.
I have ninety-nine problems but molestation ain't one. |
| Anonymous #913852 5 months ago |
And now we see what happens when 4chan goes up against tumblr. |
| Anonymous #913859 5 months ago |
From what I understand, rape culture refers to society's beliefs that either lead to or ultimately condone the act of rape.
I fail to see what this has to do with Derpy. |
| Anonymous #913864 5 months ago |
@#913832
It's like agri-culture. It seems like a predominantly past-time practice but there are actually huge technological advancements and sophistication of the subject up to this day. |
| Anonymous #913866 5 months ago |
Still no one has provided any proof that Derpy is mentally disabled instead of just a loveable klutz. |
| Anonymous #913868 5 months ago |
I say we raid the whiny bitch's blog with Derpy. Who's with me? |
| Anonymous #913869 5 months ago |
@913826 look at this tryhard
the idea of trolling is to be subtle dude @Robomorons time to do some reading http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html @913834 then you should "rape culture" isn't just "a culture in which rape happens" nobody's saying derpy is a rapist or whatever the hell you're getting at and it's just a trigger warning anyway so who cares, it is not the crux of the issue here's an idea, if you really want to know then go ask the blog owner |
| Anonymous #913877 5 months ago |
@#913869
>here's an idea, if you really want to know then go ask the blog owner She's raped and retarded. She's biased and can't contribute a valid argument. |
| Anonymous #913883 5 months ago |
@#913869
I see something in the OP that makes no fucking sense. That's why I'm asking. |
| Anonymous #913892 5 months ago |
869: It will slowly dawn on you that we are not, in fact, expressing opinions terribly dissimilar from what we actually believe.
It will further dawn on you that the Internet is, in fact, full of people like us. Hopefully, it will then dawn on you that, despite what life was like when you were 4, whining about things does not change anything and simply serves to make people mock you harder. The corollary of this is that all of the "rape culture", self-centered bullshit promulgated by most particularly rabid feminists is countered directly by the fact that nobody gives a fuck. Welcome to the Internet- enjoy your stay! |
| Anonymous #913899 5 months ago |
Is that the author? Did she became hideously ugly to avoid further rape? |
| AcuteAngle #913901 5 months ago |
I've always preferred the name Derpy Hooves over Ditzy Doo. I really liked her scene in "The Last Roundup", and didn't think it was demeaning to any particular group.
But the way so many pro-Derpy fans have reacted, dismissing any complaints without a thought, hurling insults and invective at anyone who dares to disagree with them, and saying anyone who doesn't like her name must be a butthurt Ditzy fan, absolutely disgusts me. To those on both sides that have tried their best to stay respectful and reasonable, thank you. To everyone else, go ahead and flame me, I no longer care what you think. |
| Anonymous #913905 5 months ago |
This person's either nuttier than a cashew farm or in it for the long troll. |
| Anonymous #913914 5 months ago |
@913892 straaaain
straaaaaaaaaaaaaain no really keep going maybe eventually you'll come up with something that isn't completely transparent |
| Anonymous #913917 5 months ago |
@#913892
>The corollary of this is that all of the "rape culture", self-centered bullshit promulgated by most particularly rabid feminists is countered directly by the fact that nobody gives a fuck. Dude. I have to disagree with you... if potential rapists were aware that rape creates self-centered attentionwhores that annoy the fuck out of everyone with their bitching I bet they would think twice before they rape. |
| Anonymous #913931 5 months ago |
I appear to have caused a minor derailment here. Not sure if that's an improvement or not.
I'll just go back to my earlier question of: Was this ever a problem with any of the other countless "good-natured bumbler" characters that have existed in cartoons and comedies? |
| Anonymous #913932 5 months ago |
@892
The fact that pointing out your bad behavior does not result in you improving your bad behavior is nothing to brag about. It is merely an indication, not a justification, of your mental and moral deficiencies. |
| Anonymous #913945 5 months ago |
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| Anonymous #913962 5 months ago |
Screaming and lying won't make the obvious less obvious. |
| Anonymous #913969 5 months ago |
@913932 it's a troll dude
seriously don't even bother @913931 even if it wasn't, so what people are speaking up about this, now. the fact that they didn't speak up about that, then doesn't mean anything also go read some more on this issue, there are quite a lot of folks explaining why this isn't the same thing as goofy or whoever @913945 it doesn't matter if the character was intended by the creators to be mentally disabled you unbelievable tool if i create a character who displays all the symptoms of, say, down syndrome and give him an offensive name and have him behave as a complete idiot who is incapable of functioning in society, the damage is done waving my hands and saying "no but he isn't ACTUALLY disabled" isn't going to un-hurt people |
| CottonTales #913973 5 months ago |
@945
They can't do that their inability to prove that is the basis of people not agreeing with them In fact they are actually being quite offensive to link slurred speech, wall-eyes, klutziness, and the word Derp to someone with a mental disability |
| Anonymous #913980 5 months ago |
@969
>Not the same as other clumsy characters with good intentions. Explain. |
| Anonymous #913987 5 months ago |
So, like, can someone link me to the blog of the person with downs syndrome that was offended by derpy? There is one isn't there? This isn't another case of white people feeling being offended for people who themselves aren't actually offended right? |
| Anonymous #913994 5 months ago |
How the hell is someone with Down's syndrome going to start a blog? |
| Anonymous #914000 5 months ago |
@#913994 How the hell can someone with down syndrome be offended in the first place? |
| Anonymous #914005 5 months ago |
@969
Wow, way to call someone who was fairly neutral in this and would possibly join your side if you gave a good argument an "unbelieveable tool." Are you always this offensive or is it just when you are explaining to people why they should be more tolerant? Anyway, since apparently there is no proof that Derpy is disabled I will continue to believe she is a loveable klutz, just as the fans and creators intended. If people want to assume that she is disabled and get mad over their own assumptions I say let them, just so long as they don't drag the rest of us down with them. |
| Anonymous #914008 5 months ago |
>This isn't another case of white people feeling being offended for people who themselves aren't actually offended right?
Bingo! |
| Anonymous #914015 5 months ago |
^^ You made it clear from the beginning what side you were taking.
The "proof" that you're question-spamming for is that she's a stereotype. |
| Anonymous #914022 5 months ago |
@913980 oh for christ's sake it's even covered on the very blog we're discussing, right there on the front page
http://fromonesurvivortoanother.tumblr.com/post/16423702161/you-mean-like-goofy-a-character-who-also-has-a-speech http://fromonesurvivortoanother.tumblr.com/post/16413367225/guess-whos-making-a-derp-face-and-guess-who at least make an effort here |
| Anonymous #914053 5 months ago |
@015
More assumptions. If there was proof that Derpy was a disabled character and promoted a negative stereotype I would have joined your side. Your insults are extremely counterproductive though, just so you know. |
| Anonymous #914056 5 months ago |
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| HeinousActsZX #914059 5 months ago |
Maybe, maybe are we all overreacting?
Juuuuuuuuuust a bit? |
| Anonymous #914069 5 months ago |
@059
NO AND BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT YOU ARE A RACIST SCUM AND SHOULD BE TIED UP AND GANGRAPED BY EVERYONE WHO IS OFFENDED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I AM A TOLERANT PERSON! |
| Anonymous #914071 5 months ago |
@914053
I just did. She sounds and acts like a stereotype. There is as much proof as there could realistically be. Your taunting isn't very convincing either. |
| WatermelonRat #914073 5 months ago |
This reminds me of that politician who used the word "niggardly" and got fired. The word of course means "stingy" or "miserly" but of course a bunch of idiots threw a hissy fit over it and caused him to lose his job. This is exactly the same. Some people don't seem to have a clue about the origins of Derpy's names and are causing harm not only to the fandom and the show, but to their own cause by arbitrarily declaring something so mundane to be 'ableist'. The fandom loves Derpy, and we're not going to abandon her because a bunch of self-righteous idiots decide she offends their delicate sensibilities. |
| Anonymous #914076 5 months ago |
@069
You like pretending that other people are you, don't you. Unfortunately, you're you. |
| Anonymous #914077 5 months ago |
^I'm am a pirate and I'm offended by your comment that promotes pirate stereotypes! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR! |
| Anonymous #914079 5 months ago |
@914005 well the fact that you're still asking for proof even after i explain that it isn't relevant pretty much shows that yeah, you are an unbelievable tool
i mean maybe i jumped the gun there but it turned out alright in the end but hey, maybe you're not a lost cause, let's try again with another analogy let's say we have a show with a bunch of white people in blackface perpetrating gang violence and speaking in ebonics basically what you're saying is that this isn't offensive because they aren't actually black people now watch the troll fleet swoop in with "hurrr op is saying black = autism" |
| Anonymous #914086 5 months ago |
@073
>exactly the same Exactly the same, except in every way. One is a misunderstanding, another is acknowledging that existence exists. I know that you find offensiveness offensive, but courtesy is not a special privelege reserved for you. |
| Anonymous #914098 5 months ago |
Heinous: It wouldn't be a problem if they weren't pestering Hasbro with this. But, if Hasbro's creatives/management takes this bullshit seriously, we might actually lose Derpy because of a bunch of morons who have made it their purpose in life to be offended.
On the bright side, this provides a stark contrast between regular feminists and screaming-meemie feminists. Lauren, a noted feminist, believes in women having strong, important roles. Screaming-meemie feminists.. well, you see what they do. If anyone wants to help fight back, start sending Hasbro fan art of Derpy- the good stuff, like her jumping on a cloud (the one with her over the manticore is awesome) and such. |
| Anonymous #914101 5 months ago |
@WatermelonRat NOBODY IS FUCKING ASKING YOU TO ABANDON HER
IF YOU LIKE THE CHARACTER, LIKE THE CHARACTER FINE JUST SHOW A LITTLE CONSIDERATION FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE UPSET YOU ARE NOT A ROBOT, THIS IS NOT A DIFFICULT THING TO DO AND IT IS NOT A LOT TO ASK |
| Anonymous #914116 5 months ago |
@098
>a bunch of morons who have made it their purpose in life to be offended. You just did. This deliberate refusal to understand what the critics are actually saying is rather irksome. |
| Anonymous #914118 5 months ago |
@079
As a man of science, I feel that proof is always relevant. If there is no proof then it is only assumptions, and people can assume pretty much anything. And that analogy doesn't really fit into this argument, it's like comparing Apples and Oranges. |
| Anonymous #914123 5 months ago |
Even if she's indeed retarded how the fuck is she promoting negative stereotypes? Don't mentally impaired people have some difficulty adapting with certain tasks? (in that case building repair, which doesn't sound like something you'd hand over to a mentally impaired person)
Even if she was mentally-impaired, even if she combined stravism and speech impairment (that wasn't really that obvious, I bet my own voice is less aesthetically pleasing than hers) with mental retardation what exactly is so negative about her depiction? |
| Anonymous #914129 5 months ago |
@#914079
>"hurrr op is saying black = autism" For someone who doesn't say that you surely use blacks a lot as an analogy. |
| Anonymous #914139 5 months ago |
#914098
That's a very telling example. Lauren herself talks about what messages a cartoon might send to children watching it, and how some things can be offensive to some people. Since you're pretty much declaring war on an entire emotion here, it's counterproductive to use someone who acknowledges its validity as an example of your side. Though it would be consistent, since you yourself display said emotion in abundance. #914118 There is proof. It has been pointed out to you. The analogy is apt because it's an example of stereotyping, just like what people are complaining about. |
| CottonTales #914145 5 months ago |
@Heinous
This is the internet overreactions are to be expected @914071 I'm going to pause right here because I have a question for you If by chance her name was Ditzy do you feel that her portrayal would still be offensive? |
| Anonymous #914151 5 months ago |
Oh please don't tell me I gave these idiots an excuse to start spamming Lauren over this. *facehoof* |
| Anonymous #914153 5 months ago |
@129
It's a clutch. If you're argument is failing, compare it to black people to garner sympathy(none in this case) or get people to stop talking out of discomfort. |
| WatermelonRat #914155 5 months ago |
I'm not going to show consideration for people who do not deserve it. These people deserve all the scorn and ridicule I can possibly give and more. Derpy Hooves is the very symbol of our unlikely fandom. By including her, the creators gave us the ultimate acknowledgement, despite being outside the target demographic. Then these assholes come in and take a shit on everyone's joy, even sending in hate mail to the creators in an attempt to make sure Derpy isn't included in any more episodes. |
| Anonymous #914160 5 months ago |
@#914101
People that got offended should fucking deal with it. Just like Italians deal with stereotypes and humor about them. Just like Greeks deal with all the stereotypes in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding". Just like Russians deal with almost every single action movie of Hollywood. The fact that you are autistic doesn't give you the right to be a self-centered faggot attentionwhorring and bitching every time you "get offended" by "stereotypes" more or less remotedly similar to your condition. |
| Anonymous #914166 5 months ago |
^
>I'm not going to show consideration for people who do not deserve it. Your credibility just hit zero. |
| Anonymous #914168 5 months ago |
@914118 as a man of caring about other people, go fuck yourself
seriously, what kind of smug, selfish fuck hears a person from a minority say "that was pretty offensive, dude" and responds with "oh yeah well let's see some PROOF, you uppity bastard" rather than just saying "oh sorry" and then maybe looking into why they felt that way @914129 if "twice" is a lot, sure crazy idea: maybe i use it because it's a clear, relatable example that gets the point across without overcomplication or maybe i use it because i am black and am intimately familiar with the shit black people have to put up with |
| Anonymous #914172 5 months ago |
166: Implying that you get to decide who is and isn't credible. |
| Anonymous #914174 5 months ago |
#914160
You're sure not dealing with it. >self-centered faggot attentionwhorring and bitching every time you "get offended" You just did. |
| Anonymous #914180 5 months ago |
HURRRR DURRRR I CALL A DEPICTION STEREOTYPICAL WITHOUT BACKING UP MY CLAIMS AND I DECLARE THAT OFFENSIVE TO MY CONDITION AND NONE CAN TALK ME OUT OF IT! |
| Anonymous #914184 5 months ago |
#914172
"I don't care about people who don't deserve it" is basically admitting to being a selfish, spoiled bully. |
| Anonymous #914185 5 months ago |
@139
When I ask for proof, I mean "beyond a reasonable doubt 99.9% sure" type of proof. There has been no proof, all of what has been pointed out all fits my theory that she is a klutz. It may also fit the theory that she is disabled, but it much better fits the fact that she is a klutz. |
| Anonymous #914187 5 months ago |
@#914174
Is it NO U time already? |
| Anonymous #914188 5 months ago |
"You're calling me out on my bullshit YOU MUST BE OFFENDED TOO WAAAAHHH"
Seriously? Just... seriously? |
| HeinousActsZX #914190 5 months ago |
Okay, that's it.
Dreavy, use Perish Song on the thread!  |
| Anonymous #914193 5 months ago |
^ That level of proof is impossible. Our claims have al possible proof.
Again, you appear to be taking sides and using badly-understood rules as an excuse. You're repeating a question in response to its answer. |
| Anonymous #914199 5 months ago |
@#914168
>argument is failing >suddenly is black |
| Anonymous #914200 5 months ago |
After reading these comments, I think Derpy would be offended to be lumped in with the Tumblr whine brigade. |
| WatermelonRat #914203 5 months ago |
@166 as opposed to the credibility of someone who apparently believes that I must bow before anyone claiming to be offended no questions asked. |
| Anonymous #914204 5 months ago |
#914188
While being called out on your hypocrisy makes you cry, I see no reason to only cater to your feelings while ignoring the ones you're trying to ignore. If it matters that you are upset, then it matters that others are upest as well. |
| Anonymous #914207 5 months ago |
199: Where do you think black people come from? Everyone is white until they lose an argument, usually on the Internet. Why do you think everyone's so desperate to win? |
| Anonymous #914209 5 months ago |
@914153 you know if someone calls your troll there's not much point in going ahead with it
are you really that starved for material @WatermelonRat yeah fuck you disabled people! this cartoon pony is a shitfuckload more important than you'll ever be! |
| Anonymous #914212 5 months ago |
#914203
Is that what you hear when we say "people other than you exist"? Because you're very consistent with those strawmen. |
| Anonymous #914218 5 months ago |
@#914204
That makes sense... it says you're a troll. |
| Anonymous #914220 5 months ago |
@193
That level of proof is not impossible, it is used everyday in court. It is used in science, in logic, in reason, in law. The sort of proof you are providing is way too ambiguous to be used. |
| Zancrow #914222 5 months ago |
Wow, this is seriously getting out of hand... |
| Anonymous #914244 5 months ago |
#914222
That's what happens when people admit that negative emotions exist. You've reasonable people saying "this might offend people", reasonable people saying "it's okay, it's not that insulting", and bullies saying "butthurt is thoughtcrime". |
| Anonymous #914246 5 months ago |
You know OP, you maybe right... I tried to see from impaired people's point of you. But that would require to drop my IQ by almost 40 points, thus I can't. |
| Anonymous #914259 5 months ago |
@#914244
Butthurt trully is a thought crime. It's the leading cause of censorship. |
| CottonTales #914261 5 months ago |
So we have to end the argument in three turns... well heres my turn
Okay whichever anon is arguing that Derpy is offensive: in general we don't want to seriously offend anyone and we are sorry if we do (at least I am I don't speak for everyone) but in whoever-argued-with-you's defense you're sort of being a dick about it which just leads to more hostility |
| Anonymous #914262 5 months ago |
@914246 oh yeah i completely understand
i mean you can't just give yourself a negative iq now can you |
| Anonymous #914268 5 months ago |
@Zancrow
Yeah. I'm about to abscond. No point in fighting either an amazing troll or the must stubborn idiot in existence. Anyone have a good out of this thread image? |
| Anonymous #914280 5 months ago |
@#914261
Off course he's a dick about it. He's black. For then loud noises, intimidation and guilt inducing is the only way to force respect.  |
| Anonymous #914283 5 months ago |
#914259
And yet, censorship is exactly what some people are trying to do to the people who admit that their feelings are hurt. So why is it okay to censor that specific group? Because it bothers you that they're bothered by things? That depends on the premise "things that upset people should be dealt with" but your actions are based solely on denying that specific premise. It's a paradox. |
| WatermelonRat #914286 5 months ago |
@209 It's more important than the egos of people claiming to speak on behalf of disabled people. Claiming to be offended does not make your opinion more valid. |
| CottonTales #914290 5 months ago |
@#914261
Dude I'm black *Perish Count has fell to 1* damn you made me lose a turn |
| Anonymous #914302 5 months ago |
#914286
But it does matter. Otherwise, there would be no problem with anything you're complaining about. |
| Anonymous #914305 5 months ago |
Cottontales, I'm 268. Run withe me before it's too late! |
| CottonTales #914306 5 months ago |
^Fuck I mean
@#914280 *Perish Count has fell to 0* *CottonTales has fainted* |
| Anonymous #914310 5 months ago |
Well, duh, of course you're black. Why else would you be called "CottonTales"? |
| Anonymous #914313 5 months ago |
Are pokemon with soundproof immune to perish song? I have soundproof because of my big ass headphones. |
| Anonymous #914315 5 months ago |
>#914283
>Because it bothers you that they're bothered by things? That's a bit too circular ain't it? The reason is simple. People that got "offended" by an innocent depiction of a clumsy stravic person want to remove said character from the franchise. That's censorship. Nobody prevents those who got offended to express their discotent, and that's the very reason this stupid thread even exists. If the mods were to delete it THAT would be censorship. |
| Anonymous #914320 5 months ago |
Can we at least agree, as a basic premise, that people's feelings are important and hurting them is legitimately a problem? |
| Anonymous #914321 5 months ago |
Damn. Shoulda just switched.
*Random anon faints* |
| Anonymous #914325 5 months ago |
320: No, no we can't. |
| Anonymous #914327 5 months ago |
@#914310
ninja'd |
| Anonymous #914330 5 months ago |
#914315
>Nobody prevents those who got offended to express their discotent Not through lack of trying, as has been demonstrated. There's no use playing the victim when all you're arguing for is your right to victimize because victims don't matter. |
| WatermelonRat #914332 5 months ago |
Within reason, but to give such excessive devotion to avoiding anything that could possibly be construed as offensive doesn't help society's problems. |
| Anonymous #914338 5 months ago |
Fun fact:
Inhabitants of the Greek island of Lesbos are offended by the use of the word "lesbian" in the context of "female homosexual". Them being offended is of course offensive towards female homosexual. |
| Anonymous #914343 5 months ago |
@#914320
No! Kill yourself! |
| Anonymous #914349 5 months ago |
@#914330
THAT'S ANTI-SEMETIC! |
| Anonymous #914350 5 months ago |
#914332
That's not what you've said every other time you've posted. It is, however, an oft-repeated strawman of yours. You seem to be polarized between "everyone's entitled but me" and "if you claim to be offended, you automatically don't matter". Seriously, your arguments have basically been dismissing the notion that this could be offensive solely because it's the notion that this could be offensive. |
| Anonymous #914360 5 months ago |
@#914350
You are trying too hard. But I can sympathize. Being black, autistic and a rape victim is enough to make a person moody. |
| Anonymous #914370 5 months ago |
@914261 if that's your best defense then wow dude
consider the context here the people i am arguing with are the people going "god what a bunch of crybabies, it's just a cartoon pony, i'll decide what you can be upset about thank you very much" why exactly should i not be a dick to them Hypothetical: Let's say I communicated like this. Let's say that instead of my big sweary post that kickstarted this whole thing, I said something like "Guys, I realise that this was an awesome moment for the community, but you need to chill out for a bit and understand these people's point of view, blah blah blah" Nothing would have changed. The same people would have made the same rebuttals, the same people would have spewed their unfunny trolls, and very little would have been accomplished. See, you don't voice your dissent to change people's minds. Not right away. That's not the point. An online argument that ends with "You know what? You're convinced me" is a one in a million thing. But you have to speak up anyway. You have to call things out when you see them. Because if you do that, and enough other people do it, it pulls people out of their little bubbles. They start to think. Maybe they seek out more discussions on the subject. They see where other people are coming from. They see how people are affected. And just maybe, months, years down the line, when they have some more life experience under their belt, one person says to themselves "Maybe that person wasn't full of shit, actually." And that's how change happens. It's slow, and it's agonising, and it's frustrating. But you gotta do it. |
| Anonymous #914373 5 months ago |
@338
thus, as I've learned, being offended is a total waste of time. |
| Anonymous #914383 5 months ago |
@
>There's no use playing the victim when all you're arguing for is your right to victimize because victims don't matter. >all you're arguing for is your right to victimize Ummm... yeah... since you mentioned strawmans... You really had to focus on the intentionally offensive troll posts did not you? |
| WatermelonRat #914386 5 months ago |
I'm not disputing the notion that a person is capable of being offended, I'm disputing that the source should reasonably be considered offensive. |
| Anonymous #914391 5 months ago |
Ah, so you think you're accomplishing something of value with this kind of crap.
You're not. You're just pissing us off. The only change likely to occur from whiny crap like this is for people to be less respectful of the disabled, laugh in the faces of those who have special needs, promote eugenic policies to prevent any of you from existing in the first place, and vote Republican. Unintended consequences, etc. |
| Anonymous #914398 5 months ago |
@969 Who was hurt by this, exactly?
I find the majority of people fighting the so-called "good fight" are the bleeding heart sorts that think someone somewhere might be offended, and so feel the need to take up arms against an imaginary foe. If I create a cartoon and there's an animation error that everyone latches on to, and I throw the fans a bone and have them show up as a proper person based off their expectations, I'm sure not going to give a flying fuck about a small group of whiny assholes who can't appreciate my acknowledgement of them. Hasbro shouldn't either. Here's a question for you. Why didn't this shitstorm arrive when people thought she was Ditzy Doo, and had gone north to collect the birds that had gone south? |
| Anonymous #914402 5 months ago |
@#914370
Nope. You are just a crybaby and an attentionwhore and most people doesn't like it. If you don't like majority opinion go somewhere without democracy. Try South Americas, I bet there must be some country there with a coup d'etat composed by mentally impaired people. |
| Anonymous #914403 5 months ago |
Oh wow, my post got ninja'd hard. |
| Anonymous #914406 5 months ago |
#914370
>why exactly should i not be a dick to them Because it's unpleasant. I sympathize with your point of view, but being rude doesn't help you make your point. Plus, I think some of them using similar logic to justify their own actions. "These people are offended, that makes them losers so they deserve to be offended!" or something along those lines. It's better to just have a point than to be That Jerk Who Maybe Has a Point But I Still Don't Like Being Around Him. |
| Anonymous #914409 5 months ago |
398: I think it's the voice that set them off the most. |
| Anonymous #914424 5 months ago |
Okey guys for the next elections let's vote someone who's a proponent of eugenics. Let's teach'em retard boys how it actually feels to be oppressed. |
| Anonymous #914425 5 months ago |
@914391 @914402 proof positive, my friend
also come on guys you really suck at this i haven't even broken one keyboard yet |
| Anonymous #914427 5 months ago |
#914383
The person two post below you just advocated the Holocaust. There's pretty much nothing but that here. |
| Anonymous #914428 5 months ago |
Oh dear lord this is still going on?
I'm running out of popcorn |
| Anonymous #914431 5 months ago |
The war between Internet Babysitters vs. Internet Babies will last until the babies grow a sense of empathy. |
| WatermelonRat #914432 5 months ago |
How the hell is
"I'm not disputing the notion that a person is capable of being offended, I'm disputing that the source should reasonably be considered offensive." ...defending the holocaust? |
| Anonymous #914434 5 months ago |
@#914427
Why do you hate the Arabs? |
| WatermelonRat #914445 5 months ago |
Ah, you said TWO posts below you! As in not referring to me. This is just the sort of situation that "derp" actually describes. I derped just now. You see how that works? |
| Anonymous #914454 5 months ago |
#914386
If you had simply said that in the beginning, it would be a reasonable premise. But you've spent most of your time here being deliberately hateful and offensive towards anyone who was offended, spouting out strawman arguments, and arguing for your own right to misbehave because they "don't matter", so it's looking more like backpedaling now. |
| Anonymous #914460 5 months ago |
@914398 here's a question for you: why does it matter
seriously i don't think the ditzy doo thing and this are equivalent at all, but let's say they are. let's see it really was as offensive as this and nobody made an issue of it so fucking what just because you don't call something out once doesn't mean you are never allowed to say anything about it ever in the future i mean if you're a minority and someone uses a slur around you, maybe you let it slide off because you don't want to start a fight, that doesn't mean you can't then turn around and say "okay dude you need to stop" when they do it a second time |
| hombad26 #914469 5 months ago |
Hey guys, this argument offends me. Stop it or else I'll write angry letters to the government and make sure SOPA passes. |
| Anonymous #914477 5 months ago |
@#914431
Nigga, if you really want to make a difference you sould spent your efforts into something more productive instead of picking up on an innocent children's show and try to troll trolls in the interbutts. And empathy over the internets is as futile as hate in the internet is. Both people that are being dicks and people that are bleedhearts are by definition priviliged when the argue IN FRONT OF A COMPUTER SCREEN! The only difference is haters/racists/bullies are funny if they try to pass their shit as serious buziness. Empathic high-horse do-gooders just seem depressingly hypocritical. |
| Anonymous #914486 5 months ago |
"Your own right to misbehave"? The fuck?
Not really used to this kind of arrogance, wherein you claim that everyone who's calling you out on your self-centered bullshit should, instead, acknowledge they should bow to your whims. I mean.. didn't you un-learn things like that in kindergarten? Are you going to tell us that you defeated an Ursa Major next? Again, since it hasn't been spelled out enough times: We do not give a fuck about you, or what you want. Nobody does. What we care about is Derpy, and Derpy's right to be Derpy without any of this stupid faggotry influencing her derpitude. |
| WatermelonRat #914495 5 months ago |
I'm not backpedaling on the fact that I have little patience for the feelings of people who take offense at things so petty, but yeah, in retrospect I was highly inelegant in my wording. It would have been more beneficial to the debate and to my own argument if I had clearly stated my feelings rather than indulge in letting out steam that had been building for a while. At this point I doubt an apology would do much to defuse the situation, but for what it's worth, I regret losing my temper. |
| HeinousActsZX #914502 5 months ago |
I'm gonna plug this because it's awesome and because I can. |
| Anonymous #914503 5 months ago |
@#914460
>i mean if you're a minority and someone uses a slur around you as if this could EVER happen  |
| Anonymous #914516 5 months ago |
#914486
>"Your own right to misbehave"? The fuck? >stupid faggotry >self-centered bullshit >We do not give a fuck about you, or what you want. We've been over this. |
| Anonymous #914521 5 months ago |
Up until about two days ago, I didn't even know there is such thing as "ableism". It turns out they have "-ism" against everything these days. |
| Anonymous #914524 5 months ago |
@914477 ah this old chestnut
"i don't deem this important enough, clearly if you really cared you'd be out doing something more productive" doubly worthless because it not only addresses none of the points, but also presumes that i don't ever do "more productive" things oh and the standard "nothing matters on the internet" bullshit which i'm not even gonna get into |
| Anonymous #914539 5 months ago |
>watermelonrat
>cottontales >anonymous negro that goes full bleeding heart towards retards There goes the neighbourhood!  |
| Anonymous #914541 5 months ago |
@914521 are you serious
like, it really never occurred to you that maybe disabled people are not treated as equals in society i know a lot of people have a blind spot about this shit but wow dude |
| HeinousActsZX #914553 5 months ago |
Now, I'm not trying to start an additional shitstorm here, but I see people flinging "@9001" or "@1337" or "@platform 9 3/4" and it seems really confusing.
Wouldn't it be easier to communicate if everyone had a username? Just saying... |
| Anonymous #914555 5 months ago |
Hey offended faggots
Get over yourselves. Not everything that exists is an attack against your "child-molestation-survivor ableist" minority. Why not go get yourself molested again or something? |
| Anonymous #914564 5 months ago |
#914495
That was almost satisfactory, except for the part about having "little patience for the overly sensetive". It sounds like you still think they deserve it or something, but it's important to take there feelings into consideration, especially in situations like that. I know from experience that being polite and understanding really is the best way to handle people who seem "easily offended". |
| Anonymous #914566 5 months ago |
@
>oh and the standard "nothing matters on the internet" bullshit which i'm not even gonna get into Nothing is not much to say. But it certainly is counter-productive unless you are very focused on your goals and methods. And no you are not, you are just pissing people off and attract negative attention towards your goals. You do the same thing vocal feminists do. |
| Anonymous #914594 5 months ago |
@#914555
>"child-molestation-survivor ableist" Don't forget he's also black and this is relevant because we all know that the ultimate goal of every child molester that points and laughs at impaired people is to have blacks work in his cornfield. |
| Anonymous #914607 5 months ago |
@#914541
>like, it really never occurred to you that maybe disabled people are not treated as equals in society You know there are aspects of society that this would be physically impossible don't you? |
| Anonymous #914615 5 months ago |
@914566 yeah fucking feminists why don't they keep their goddamn mouths shut who do they think they are being all oppressed and shit
i mean i don't mind them having opinions but GOD fucking WOMEN just keep them to yourself you do the same thing every privileged asshole does newsflash: telling a shitty person that they are a shitty person will piss them off, that doesn't mean "well fuck it just let them be shitty" |
| Anonymous #914629 5 months ago |
521: Gotta catch 'em all! Although I'm not sure how to discriminate against everyone at once. I'm sure there's a way, though. |
| Anonymous #914637 5 months ago |
>#914615
If you are calling having a lower wage oppression then I agree with you. If you are calling Wonder Woman's rack in Action Comic #163 opressive then you are a retarded feminazi. Is this so hard to grasp? |
| mindcannon #914650 5 months ago |
Okay, this thread is way too long. |
| Anonymous #914653 5 months ago |
615: You do know that the reason we have these privileges is because we deserve them, right? |
| mindcannon #914656 5 months ago |
Can we just say that derpy is cute and move on? |
| Anonymous #914661 5 months ago |
@#914629
Did not you get the memo? That's why the word "faggot" exists! FAGGOTa powerful slur of no exclusive use by homophobes anymore! |
| Anonymous #914669 5 months ago |
@#914656
No, because autistic black people will always need something to whine about. |
| Anonymous #914675 5 months ago |
You're right, 661! We have oldfags and newfags and ponyfags and furfags and now we have offendedfags. Thanks! |
| WatermelonRat #914691 5 months ago |
@564 You're right of course. Catch more flies with honey than vinegar and all that. I should have been better than to take out my frustration with the overall situation on people who I didn't need to be adversarial towards. I do still believe that given her context within the fandom and the complex origins of her namesake, Derpy shouldn't reasonably be considered offensive, but in my anger towards people harassing the show's creator's about it (this is what really drove me to the point of being willing to engage in such a lengthy debate) I neglected to consider the perspectives of others.
Understand that to a large number of bronies, Derpy isn't just a bg pony with funny eyes, she's a beloved symbol of our fandom. She's a sort of link between the fandom and creatores, in a way. The impression that her portrayal was being unfairly maligned naturally resulted in a lot of anger, and the prospect of her not appearing again due to people claiming offense made things even worse. Not an excuse for some of the things I and others have said of course, but I hope that can at least explain some of the ire. |
| Anonymous #914700 5 months ago |
not addressing anyone speficially here but here's something to consider for those who are still actually discussing this
let's say that maybe this whole thing is being blown out of proportion and it's just a cartoon pony and nobody should really care now look at some of the genuinely hateful shit that has been posted here sure, these people are "just trolling," or are actual bigots hiding behind the pretense of trolling. either way they're saying it to get a rise out of people, and when it happens they laugh because "shit, it's just the internet, BUTTHURT" now i personally don't mind. trolls are trolls, laugh 'em off, whatever. but this is what minorities have to deal with everywhere. not just on the internet. everywhere. slurs, abuse, hatred, dismissal, laughter, discriminatory comments followed by "ha ha, i'm just kidding, look at you getting all mad" once or twice maybe you could shrug it off, but when you have to live a life of this, it builds up and builds up and even the most well-intentioned joke starts to hurt, because nobody considers that maybe, just maybe, this is not funny to you but you don't dare speak up about it because this is what happens when you do so let's say the people complaining about this are being irrational can you see why, after a lifetime of this bullshit, a person might get a little irrational can you understand how that might happen |
| Anonymous #914727 5 months ago |
>#914700
>these people are "just trolling," or are actual bigots hiding behind the pretense of trolling Doing the majority of the nigger-jokes I can assure you that I have nothing against black people and it was purely trolling, of course you may disagree and know my true motives better than I do since I am white (or olive, or something like this) and everybody knows that a white person saying the n-word is automatically a klan member and a proponent of every controversial subject targeting minorities. |
| Anonymous #914729 5 months ago |
@914637 you're speaking from ignorance here and this is tangential so i'm not gonna get into it too much, but let me just say this
wonder woman having a sexed-up costume is not a problem 99.99999% of women in media having sexed-up costumes is a problem |
| Anonymous #914745 5 months ago |
@#914729
Okey. May I feel offended as a male with the musculature in tights of Superman, the latex abs of Batman and the raging crotch of Robin then? DAMN YOU DC COMICS! STOP SEXUALIZING MEN! WE ARE PEOPLE NOT OBJECTS! |
| Anonymous #914746 5 months ago |
@914727 here's what you perhaps are missing
to a black person, to me, you are not "a white person who called me a nigger", you are "one of the hundreds of white people that have directly called me a nigger, and one of millions that have indirectly done it" you are not one little problem. you are a tiny fraction of a gigantic problem |
| Anonymous #914761 5 months ago |
@914729 yeah us men have had it pretty tough haven't we
all that time being treated as silly little creatures, not allowed to work or vote or basically have any sort of voice at all, still in many ways silenced and marginalised and treated as second-class citizens OH WAIT you have every right to be offended but don't act like "But I'm offended too!" means "Therefore none of it matters", and do NOT act like sexism against men is as serious and widespread an issue as sexism against women, because it fucking isn't |
| Shockblock99 #914770 5 months ago |
[h1]ECO, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP THIS CRAZY THING.[/H1] |
| Shockblock99 #914774 5 months ago |
^Fuck.
PEOPLE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP THIS CRAZY SHIT. |
| Anonymous #914794 5 months ago |
@#914746
Off course if a black person calls me directly or indirectly a honkey regardless of context I should consider that all the black people using the word are racists and a "problem". Why do I actually don't give a fuck or feel offended if someone calls me a slur then? Maybe because the problem is not words but the fact that you are just a little bitch that will use every chance to play a victim card to win an argument? |
| Anonymous #914803 5 months ago |
@#914761
So, double standarts are okey just because of ancient history? Just wow... |
| Anonymous #914804 5 months ago |
Hey, now, 794. It's not his fault he's black. I'm sure that one day medical science will find a way to cure this debilitating condition. I just hope he can hold out until then. |
| Anonymous #914815 5 months ago |
@#914804
That raises another interesting question. If medical and genetic sciences advance enough and I choose to become a black person (with "black DNA" and all the stuff that constitute a black person), would I still be racist if I used the n-word? |
| Anonymous #914838 5 months ago |
@914794 why do you not give a fuck gee i dunno maybe because gasp not everyone is the same
maybe because white people are not an oppressed minority maybe because you hear a slur and that's just one isolated incident rather than one tiny little crumb of a giant racism cake maybe you need to fucking engage your brain @914803 it's not "ancient history" dipshit, it's still happening progress has been made, but just because we've got better about it doesn't mean it's no longer an issue women are marginalised in so many ways even today and if you really want to know why "vocal" feminists get so upset then maybe you need to get off your ass and educate yourself rather than sitting in your comfortable little man-bubble and assuming you know everything |
| Anonymous #914874 5 months ago |
Congratulations OP! You managed to invoke more hate and discontent towards anti-ableists with one post than a stormfag or an eugenist would be able to do with a 3000 pages' manifesto.
Dr. Mengele would be proud of you. |
| Anonymous #914885 5 months ago |
@#914838
>rather than sitting in your comfortable little man-bubble and assuming you know everything Says the man who "speaks in behalf of every oppressed minority ever". |
| Anonymous #914891 5 months ago |
How the heck did this got derailed into a race thread?
"Democratization" of Truth is the worst thing that could happen to this world, I tell you. *sips tea* |
| Anonymous #914896 5 months ago |
@914874 MINORITIES: DON'T COMPLAIN, EVER
'CAUSE THERE'LL BE A BACKLASH JUST SIT THERE AND DON'T ROCK THE BOAT OKAY, THAT'LL MOST DEFINITELY MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR YOU |
| Anonymous #914936 5 months ago |
@914885 i dunno why you're using quotes there because i sure as shit didn't say that
but by all means, continue trying to disarm me with "pithy" one-liners, god forbid you go out and learn something |
| Anonymous #914958 5 months ago |
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| Anonymous #914988 5 months ago |
@#914838
>maybe because white people are not an oppressed minority You know what's funny? You suppossedly fight against racism and discrimination while you feel entitled to make broad generalizations. To you I'm "white" (a grouping only assholes like white supremacists take seriously) which automatically gives you the right to group me as an accomplish to the people enslaving your ancestors while my ancestors as well as my entire ethnic group never EVER had to do anything with black's slavery, colonization or ever had a significant interaction with subsaharan Africa at all. Ironically the most recent dramatic interaction we had with Africa was being partly enslaved by the Egyptians for 400 years. And before you get any funny ideas, YES, my ancestors where too discriminated by the "real whites" in recent history of the U.S. So guess what? Role reversal out of fucking nowhere! I label you of "African descent" just like the Egyptians' ancestors and tada! YOU are the oppressor now! |
| Anonymous #915031 5 months ago |
@#914896
>MINORITIES: DON'T COMPLAIN, EVER >I HAVE A DREAM that one day on the red hills of Georgia,the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit together at the table of brotherhood. >CALLING IT BLACK SUGAR IS OFFENSIVE BECAUSE IT IMPLIES BLACK PEOPLE ARE UNREFINED! Did you notice a difference? |
| Anonymous #915044 5 months ago |
@914988 well hell maybe i pegged you as a white person because you said "I am white"
but you know, fine, maybe i made a mistake there here's the difference between you and me i am actually going to think about this and say "hmm, maybe I shouldn't have said that, I may need to re-evaluate some stuff" you're just gonna keep on being an asshole in any case none of this changes the fact that "i'm not bothered by slurs, therefore nobody else should be" is an incredibly fucking stupid thing to say, and ultimately you're still just trying to "beat" me or whatever rather than addressing the issue |
| Anonymous #915095 5 months ago |
@you're just gonna keep on being an asshole
Bet your ass I'm going to! And guess what? I'm equally asshole to people that bug me regardless of race, ethnicity and religion. You on the other hand are just a self-righteous asshole that not only abuses discriminated people's misery just to give your arguments credit but also make overgeneralizations putting all the problems in the same satchel and keep a black&white sense of morality categorizing people according to what serves better your knight-templar self-image. |
| Anonymous #915096 5 months ago |
@915031 if you think there's a good reason why something shouldn't be considered offensive, say it
do not say "shut up, you're just making people mad", of course people are getting mad, anything anyone complains about will get people mad it's just a bullshit attempt to dismiss an issue |
| Anonymous #915099 5 months ago |
#914691
Then we can officially call a truce on this matter. As for Derpy's portrayal, I think it was a bit overdone, though not worth making a big deal over. |
| Anonymous #915128 5 months ago |
@915095 haha, you know i can't even get mad about this because i used to be you
total self-absorbed fuck, didn't give a shit what i said, "words are just words man, nobody should care" i grew up. took years and a lotta "knight-templars" (you visit TVTropes don't you) yelling at me, but it happened maybe you will too happy trails, dude |
| Anonymous #915130 5 months ago |
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| Anonymous #915132 5 months ago |
>why something shouldn't be considered offensive, say it
We did. Your assumptions over Derpy's character as a "stereotype" is perceived by you and a handful of oversensitive fucks who do not even fit the suppossedly discriminated group. You just refuse to aknowledge it and claim that somehow one's irrational oversensitivity is more justified than others' irrational oversensitivity. For the whole thread you are ruminating the SAME BULLSHIT! |
| Anonymous #915139 5 months ago |
#915132
>one's irrational oversensitivity One's irrational oversensitivity via representative I must add. |
| Anonymous #915159 5 months ago |
@#915128
>you visit tvtropes Even if I did is that suppossed to reduce my credibility somehow? Do you imply I'm not educated enough to know what follows the historical stereotype of Templars? |
| Anonymous #915176 5 months ago |
i'm confused, do all you people saying "you're not even part of the offended group" think that only the victims of a thing should seek justice
like say you saw something that legitimately made you think "whoa, this is actually a horrible stereotype of a disabled person", would you then go "but shit, who cares, not my problem" |
| Anonymous #915189 5 months ago |
@#915128
On the contrary. I grew the fuck out of being a bleeding heart rebel that "fought against anything that could offend the oppressed". Nobody takes this futile form of idealism seriously not even the "oppressed" and from my personal experience the minorities and "les miserables" are equally prone to the majority to be complete discriminating assholes towards the majority, each other and ESPECIALLY those weaker than themselves. |
| Anonymous #915190 5 months ago |
@915159 HAH YOU TOTALLY DO
ever posted in a fetish fuel thread do you know chagen are you chagen |
| Anonymous #915195 5 months ago |
@176
But in this case most people think there is no legitimate reason to be offended. If it was something that I could tell people would be offended by I would seek justice but I just don't believe this is the case. |
| Anonymous #915206 5 months ago |
Knight Templar Anon: Ever heard of the mokeysphere? :P |
| Anonymous #915207 5 months ago |
@915189 whoa hold on a sec
i can kinda see the "it's just a cartoon pony, relax" side of the coin here but it looks like you literally just said that all discrimination everywhere is not a problem because sometimes discriminated people are dicks too are you kidding me |
| Anonymous #915211 5 months ago |
@#915176
Consider this: "I am a Taliban and I find women not wearing a hijab offensive." and before you try to dodge that by saying "but talibans oppress their women" I must note out that not many of them ever complained about their condition. You can't be always on someone else's shoes, especially when the reason of them taking offense seems absurd and irrational to you. |
| Anonymous #915222 5 months ago |
@#915207
>all discrimination everywhere is not a problem because sometimes discriminated people are dicks too Stop trying to perverse what I'm saying. I just point out there are not absolute morals and because one is oppressed, exploited or weak that doesn't automatically make all his claims and demands legitimate. |
| Takashi_0 #915229 5 months ago |
CONFOUND THESE IDIOTS!!
THEY DRIVE MY BLOOD PRESSURE THROUGH THE ROOF!! |
| Captain_Carnation #915245 5 months ago |
While I am not unable to see why Derpy's portrayal could be (mis?)construed as an offensive stereotype, I AM scared to death that the complaints of the vocal minority could result in her removal from the show. It's quite possible that many of the vitriolic reactions in this thread could have the same origin.
I agree the scene was somewhat overdone, but I look beyond that to see it as a win for the fandom. The creators know us. They love us. They gave us this gift. I'm afraid it may now be taken from us. If somepony that has brought so much of the community (and, if I may be permitted to be a bit selfish here, me personally) so much joy is taken away, it will, in my opinion, be a setback in fan relations. More importantly, it will make Derpy sad. Do you want a sad Derpy? DO YOU? :'( |
| Anonymous #915261 5 months ago |
@#915190
Every time I visited TV_tropes was because of some fucking link some sadistic asshole gave me to drain me out of my free time. I swear to God I've never been able to read an entire article with all these fucking tempting links! And no, knight templars is not among the articles I've encountered, though I must admit my main interest to search for info about them as a teenager was Starcraft and because my high school history books simply mentioned the Crusaders as dickwads (and especially the francish Templars as completely fucktarded zealots). |
| Anonymous #915266 5 months ago |
@915195 yeah and if you think that then fine
i'm not asking you to be offended on anyone's behalf, i'm not asking anyone to agree with anyone all i've been saying about this issue since the very beginning is show a little compassion, maybe you're not offended but the fact is that some people are, and even if you think it's totally ridiculous you need to remember that you are not seeing it through their eyes someone says "i was offended by that", a decent human being does not respond with "FUCK, JUST SHUT UP YOU CRYBABY, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO WHINE ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING" maybe you personally were not doing that but some people sure as shit do that |
| Anonymous #915294 5 months ago |
>a decent human being does not respond with "FUCK, JUST SHUT UP YOU CRYBABY, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO WHINE ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING"
In the internet yes he/she does. Except that it is part of the "culture" and a defining element it also helps people mature out of their oversensitivities in a way that does not have any consequence to their dignity and social life and seriously should have an effect on your self-respect (unless you're a face-showing camwhore, in that case you're asking for it). If there's one thing I'm glad for that I've encountered the internet is that it gave me a thicker hide and made me more acceptant to criticism. I wish I had met 4chan's dickniggery before I was enlisted, that would had saved me a lot of trouble instead of delusionally counting in people's good nature and empathy. |
| Anonymous #915299 5 months ago |
^*"and seriously shouldn't have an effect" |
| Anonymous #915301 5 months ago |
@915222 "stop trying to perverse what i'm saying"
YEAH THAT'S A LITTLE ANNOYING ISN'T IT and yeah, of course oppressed people are not always right, who the fuck said that but if someone is oppressed then you need to consider that maybe they're going to be sensitive to things that a non-oppressed person wouldn't be something doesn't bother you that doesn't bother someone else, fine, maybe they really are getting upset over nothing, or maybe it doesn't bother you because it hasn't been as much of an issue in your life and even if they are getting upset over nothing, maybe that's happening because they've been upset by so many other things that "nothing" seems like something @915211 what's your point? |
| Anonymous #915310 5 months ago |
7...Fucking...Hours...good God, y'all |
| Anonymous #915333 5 months ago |
@915294 "in the internet yes he/she does"
no, they do not you think they do, because that's what you're used to, but "The Internet" is not 4chan and ponibooru there are many places where people are actually expected to show some decorum "it's just the internet" doesn't make racism not racist. it doesn't make homophobia not homophobic. it does not make any "ism" not an "ism", it does not mean that there aren't people on the other side of those screens, and it does not mean their offence is invalid and if you're seriously using fucking 4chan as a metric for how people should behave then fuck, i'm done, i literally do not even know where to start |
| Anonymous #915337 5 months ago |
@#915301
Okey, I must admit that though repeative and stubborn as fuck you are pretty strong with words and can firmly defend a weak point FOR 7 FUCKING HOURS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!. Should you consider using your trolling skills in something more productive than inducing guilt to fanbase already obsessed with "love and tolerance" for a [s1]minor[/s1] offense? May I suggest 4chan's /int/ that they regularly brag about how being "white" is a merit and treat the less influential ethnicities/countries/races as scum? You are not gonna change their mind but I'd love to see nationalistfags foam with rage when a black person more verbose than themselves will be able to defend his position without giving in to their unwarantedly elitistic bullshit. |
| HeinousActsZX #915343 5 months ago |
>>118451
Everyone come to this thread. It's way more fun. |
| Anonymous #915353 5 months ago |
@915333
You're not even in the same plane of existence this arguement started at. Why are you offended? Not why I should be offended, not why people with whatever mental condition are/should be offended. Why are you offended? |
| Anonymous #915363 5 months ago |
@and if you're seriously using fucking 4chan as a metric for how people should behave then fuck, i'm done
Actually 4chan is very good model of how internet forums should function. The internet's main merit is to promote raw free speech since this serves better at facing the problems and people's views as they trully are and not how social ettiquette dictates. The main problem with 4chan being unbearably obnoxious is because it has fell in a vicious circle of repulsing more rational and considerate users and attracting actually hateful people that rarely face any rational opposition to their claims. If people were willing to overcome their own sensitivities and try associate with and confront people they don't agree with then 4chan would be an oasis from the politenaziing and complimetary pokes in the ass moderated circle-jerking forums are. 7chan is a good example of a how 4chan could be, if it wasn't for the forced newfaggotry of teens trying to be edgy because they saw the exploding yellow van in Fox News. |
| AkatsukiKaizoku #915408 5 months ago |
Okay...
I agree with something, true, t.v should really calm the fuck up with these constant insults, but... If people allow it what you can do? I mean, true, it IS offensive, but well, tagging is something humans do best/worse, it is a sad fact. I've been on a school for people who have "slow mind", disabillities, and other things, and you know what? Most of these kids are aware of these insults... They don't care, they live their lives and walk away to succed, they're strong, and the greater the struggle, the greater the wonder. Derpy, is NOT an insult to those people, she easily could passed away from the people as LOL CROSSED EYES, but no, bronies adopted her, gave her a personality, many made her possible to at least in fanon, be a mother, to be someone lovable, to be cherised by many, enough to the point the Studio B also loves her as what people poured into her. She cheers up with her clumsyness, and we love her for that, I guarantee, there are many people like Derpy, who, yes, maybe they get insulted, spit on the face about those "abnormalities", but... They do not backlash, they show the cheek and are slapped just to give the other one... Why? Because they know they will be probably giants. So your statement is wrong, Derpy is not a common cartoon character, many seems to forget a characteristic Derpy got, and that's she is a fighter, she tries, she shows what she can do, even if it's silly at it. So yeah, to those ALL that think Ditzy/Derpy is an insult or not lovely now that is canon... 
So well...  |
| Anonymous #915422 5 months ago |
@915353 why do you care
why does it even matter if i'm offended or not why do i have to personally be offended about something to speak out about it if it'll satisfy your curiosity, i am not personally offended by the existence of this cartoon character that does not have any bearing on anything i have said. if it's bullshit, it's bullshit. if it's not, it doesn't magically become bullshit just because i have no personal stake you're also kind of missing the point because my issue was never with the pony or Hasbro to begin with, my issue was with the "YOU'RE A BUNCH OF WHINERS" crowd @915363 how is anyone supposed to know who is a "rational and considerate" user seriously, i am new person, i show up on 4chan, a hundred people call me a nigger how am i supposed to know who's serious and who isn't, great people say they're joking, so fucking what, i don't know if that's true or not all this "hilarious" ironic bigotry does is provide a smokescreen for actual bigots and reinforce the idea that it's okay to treat people like shit there is absolutely no reason why you cannot have an enlightened and productive discussion with someone without hurling racial slurs at them it's not about "confronting people you don't agree with", it's about confronting people flinging around slurs that they don't realise the gravity of because they think it's funny. it is not funny, and the way to "confront" them is to say "hey, words mean shit, you're being an asshole, knock it off" also why does this only apply over the internet do you advocate bullying children as they're growing up because "it'll toughen their skin" |
| MaroonBunyip #915440 5 months ago |
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| gashunk #915453 5 months ago |
Why can't more internet fights involve zombie chimps? |
| Anonymous #915465 5 months ago |
@915422
There's a reason why some people cry whiner. Because it comes off as it. Just like the kid who cries because he tripped and scuffed his knee and his friends will say stop crying. This is essentially what this situation is. A minor scrape that everyone is being loud about for no reason. And by the way. Nigger is a pointless word. It only has power when you give it that power to hurt you. There were worse images for black people in old cartoons. I laughed at them then and now because I refused to let them offend me. Don't let words and pointless images hurt you. |
| Anonymous #915468 5 months ago |
@Gashunk
Because they flinging zombie poop at this is a pointless endeavor. |
| Anonymous #915481 5 months ago |
^
>do you advocate bullying children as they're growing up because "it'll toughen their skin" For better of for worse it nevertheless builts character. >a hundred people call me a nigger >how am i supposed to know who's serious and who isn't, great people say they're joking, so fucking what, i don't know if that's true or not >all this "hilarious" ironic bigotry does is provide a smokescreen for actual bigots and it personally effects you... how? >how is anyone supposed to know who is a "rational and considerate" You don't. That's the whole point. You face arguments not noted individuals that you have a preposition formed on. And "enlightened discussion" is bullshit and you know it. There must be tension, competition and conflict to make a worthy and challenging dialogue that will help you develope your views. And judging from your persistence to a single point you are not really used to people actually disagreeing with you. |
| Anonymous #915490 5 months ago |
@915465 IT IS NOT YOUR FUCKING PLACE TO DECIDE WHO SHOULD BE OFFENDED BY WHAT
this is the same "i'm not bothered therefore nobody should be" bullshit that everyone falls back on when they have no actual points to make do you think people like being hurt do you think you can just switch off emotional distress do you think a person who cries themself to sleep every night because of the abuse they're going through is sad because they want to be YOUR EXPERIENCE IS NOT EVERYONE'S EXPERIENCE |
| Anonymous #915496 5 months ago |
But we don't really care what your experience is, and we have no reason to. |
| Anonymous #915507 5 months ago |
I don't like being hurt either. But I put up with it. And so should you. Why? Because its good for you. It shows you can't be brought down and makes people more inclined to agree with/not harass you. Not imagine a screaming prepubescent child behind the other computer. |
| Anonymous #915516 5 months ago |
@915481 hey, maybe i wouldn't form "prepositions" about people if they weren't calling me a nigger! crazy, i know!
"and it personally effects you... how?" let me turn this around how would it affect you to stop using slurs how would it affect you to say "i disagree with you" instead of "i disagree with you you ignorant nigger" it wouldn't it doesn't you are literally arguing for your right to say horrible racist shit and emotionally wound people for no reason other than cause you feel like it that is the mark of a sociopath, not a considerate human "enlightened discussion is bullshit and you know it" no i do not know it actually, i've had plenty of discussions where i've learned a lot of stuff and surprise surprise, nobody used a single slur WOW how did they do that |
| Anonymous #915524 5 months ago |
Has ANYONE that is actually trying to discuss with you that wasn't an obvious troll called you nigger? No! Not even close! You're just dragging your personal 'woe is I' attitude onto us. Thinking we're abusing you when we just disagree. |
| Anonymous #915528 5 months ago |
@915507 even if that is true it does not change the fact that people shouldn't be harassing me in the first place
there should not be anything to "put up with" you're literally saying "minorities should just shut up and deal rather than trying to change anything" and it's really sad that you can't see how horrible that is deal with the disease, not the symptoms |
| Anonymous #915549 5 months ago |
@915524 who the fuck are you
was i talking to you have you actually followed the discussion no, apparently not, so shut the fuck up |
| Anonymous #915554 5 months ago |
@915524 also i realise you find this confusing but just because someone's "obviously trolling" doesn't actually make it okay |
| Anonymous #915558 5 months ago |
There's that broad swing again. "Don't let petty insults and caricatures bother you" turns into "minorities should deal with abuse". There is stupid shit that needs to be handled in the world yes. But being called a word that used to mean stupid people in general and someone joking about what food you like are so minor it's hilarious. You remind me of the guy that gets a sport banned in school because he just had to play it his way only. |
| Anonymous #915563 5 months ago |
Dude, you went to fucking 4chan and bitched that a hundred people called you a nigger. IT'S FUCKING 4CHAN! What were you expecting?! They consider racial slurs their solemn duty!
Listen, hopefully this will bring this crap to an end: We *are* sociopaths. Isn't that obvious by now? Half the posts are obvious trolls and most of the other half are more subtle trolls. And that post earlier about My Little Pony being what slightly warms our cold, bigoted hearts? That was, in fact, not a troll. That's actually how most of us really are. And by going after Derpy, you and your supporters tried to take away one of the very few things that connect us to humanity. That was a singularly bad idea. We don't care about you, and feel lucky that we don't, because if we start caring about you, you'll be portrayed as the next Chris-Chan. You really want us to deal with the disease? Are you sure? Because there was someone who dealt with the disease, a bit more than 70 years ago. Short mustache, loud voice... |
| AppleDash #915578 5 months ago |
Really this has gone on too long, you guys are making Pinkie sad. |
| Anonymous #915581 5 months ago |
@915558 "But being called a word that used to mean stupid people in general and someone joking about what food you like are so minor it's hilarious."
to you do you even understand this "people are different and have lived different lives" concept it's really not that complex @915563 i've never been to 4chan that was a hypothetical example you incredible dumbfuck rest of that post isn't even worth addressing |
| Anonymous #915584 5 months ago |
Whatever, nigger. |
| Anonymous #915589 5 months ago |
I'm sorry. This kind of idiocy draws me like a fly into a bug zapper. I thought I could help. This person is beyond help. I'm done. Someone please post an outta here picture for me since this thing is being a dick to me tonight. |
| Anonymous #915590 5 months ago |
OOH DAMN HE GOT ME THERE |
| Anonymous #915597 5 months ago |
@#915490
Every person has to deal with his sensitivities eventually. I was beaten by my bigger brother as a small kid. I was laughed at for feeling sorry for bugs and not wanting to torture and kill them. In grade school I was mocked by my classmates for being a good student and my teachers' favourite. My father was drunkard and a fiend well... not really... he was a doctor and a repsectable member of society yet he was quite irresponsible and occationaly abusive as a parent. I was bullied and ostracized in high school. I was bullied and forced to sleep deprivation and stressed to perform my pointless duties flawlessly as a conscript. I was stigmatised as "disfunctional" for my whole life because after two months of sleeping 2 hours a day and spend all my waking hours in chores I broke when I learned that my father broke his hip and I should I had to postpone my service to get a job and provide fro my family. They took my gun and my "official" dignity with it. I was kick out of the university because my depression got away my motivation to study. I have to deal with the fact that I live as a parental parasite and a whitetrash without a steady job in the age of 27. And I was oversensitive as fuck ALL ALONG! Yet I still feel I am privileged and I feel glad with my life for having a house over my head and food in my plate, parents and siblings that love me and tolerate my fuckups, that I'm healthy, that I had a chance to a proper education, I feel glad that I'm so fucking privileged to have the internet as a window to a much wider world than my socioeconomic status would normally allow me to experience and nothing coming out of it, no matter how deprived or insensitive or fucked up or shocking or personal, would ever make me forget that my problems in real life are more important and even those are nowhere near at being real problems other people, maybe more sensitive than me, have to suffer. Problems like starvation, contaminated water, diseazes, wars etc... Now tell me with a straight face that the emo kid, whining how sad internet-bullying makes him, isn't a "spoiled selfish privileged kid" and that we should really try putting ourselves in his shoes. |
| Anonymous #915621 5 months ago |
@915597 ah yes the old "there are worse problems therefore this problem is meaningless" argument
retreading a lot of familiar ground today look you should already be able to see why that's bullshit, so let's focus on the first thing you said there you were beaten by your brother do you think it is okay that this happened if a kid came to you covered in bruises and said "my brother is beating me", would you say "tough shit, life sucks, deal with it", or do you think steps should be taken to make sure it doesn't happen anymore if he were upset about it, would you accuse him of being oversensitive it's great if he's able to cope with it, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't fucking be happening in the first place |
| MaroonBunyip #915626 5 months ago |
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| Anonymous #915632 5 months ago |
also telling the kid "sure you're being beaten up but COME ON, you've got food and internet and shit" is so fucking idiotic |
| Anonymous #915639 5 months ago |
oh but there are SO MANY worse problems than being beaten up, that kid could be an orphaned cancer patient with no legs starving to death in the sewer, he doesn't even know what he HAS, man |
| Southern_Hospitality #915640 5 months ago |
Back into your hugboxes, Ass-pies. It's over. You're all just beating a dead horse.
Also, I call Godwin's Law due to #915563. |
| Anonymous #915644 5 months ago |
640: Is it bad that I read that in I. M. Meen's voice? |
| Anonymous #915645 5 months ago |
OP Mentioned Mitch Hedberg...
*remembers he passed on years ago* *has a sad* |
| Anonymous #915646 5 months ago |
It's like a car crash involving a slow bus. It's awful and I feel terrible but I can't look away. |
| Anonymous #915651 5 months ago |
@Southern_Hospitality holy shit i didn't even notice that
dude, you lose i'm sorry that's it |
| Anonymous #915653 5 months ago |
@#915621
You are a stereotypical liberal douche. You will defend anything for opposition's sake. Yes, shit happens, people have to deal with this, people with the same level of sensitivity might choose different ways to deal with them or just whine about it and do nothing. Everybody deserves sympathy and support agreed to that, but that doesn't mean that all people equally deserve one's respect, their own actions is the defining factor for that, and no, not all bad things are going to change, at least not as long as douchebags like yourself hide, misdirect and don't priorize the problems for politeness' sake or just to feel morally superior according to what social ettiquette dictates. |
| Southern_Hospitality #915662 5 months ago |
@644 No, this is about the effect I was going for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=WIRI7j7jvOM |
| Anonymous #915663 5 months ago |
@915653 what am i defending exactly
from what i can tell i'm on the attack and you're the one defending people being dicks to one another on the grounds that "they should just deal with it" also, do you know why bad things don't change because lazy, fatalist fucks like you sit there and go "we can't change it, why bother" |
| Anonymous #915669 5 months ago |
@#915663
>"we can't change it, why bother" Way to totally to pervert what I said. Just fuck it, there's just no reasoning with you and your relativistic bullshit. |
| Anonymous #915672 5 months ago |
holy shit time for bed
hey guys, go find a disabled person today and mock them to their face, i'm sure they'll understand when they say "no no the problem is YOU" |
| Anonymous #915675 5 months ago |
*when you say
fuck, you know what i mean |
| Anonymous #915686 5 months ago |
>do you know why bad things don't change ?
Of course. Because vocal extremists just like you totally miss the point of their cause and do their best to act as strawmans for the opposition and tire and missdirect those with a more rational and honestly pluralistic approach away from what is important. |
| Anonymous #915706 5 months ago |
WOW! Someone should really install a threadlock function on this board... |
| Anonymous #915937 5 months ago |
This entire thread in one image.
And a reflection. Is it really that important to yell at each other via posts for hours? Have you ever looked in google graphic for "internet fight"? You defend your position. Sure, that's important. But the other side does it too.The original point was Derpy. Then it spiralled into racist thread and random anon childhood experience. This was going on, and NOTHING really happened. Except one thing. People look at this thread and feel bad, or don't care. They post tl;dr , "make it stop", you made X cry, etc. Congratulations. You all made Ponibooru imageboard a better place. Have fun. Good day to you all. |
| MaroonBunyip #915940 5 months ago |
anon, mate, i love you with all my heart. |
| Anonymous #915943 5 months ago |
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| ZePassionateOne #915954 5 months ago |
So I was here, talking with Maroon and his mate on skype, and then I saw this. I started to laugh my shit off and made it contagious...thanks a lot Anon! |
| Draconequus #915960 5 months ago |
Anon, holy shit.
I love you. |
| Anonymous #915965 5 months ago |
Yes, the shitpissvomitpocalypse is very appropriate. |
| Anonymous #916114 5 months ago |
I still think everyone missed it.
Derpy is a blonde... Coming from a blonde person, it's every single blonde joke. According to humor we're ditzy, easily distracted, and clumsy. Sorry for any typos. I hit my hand on my desk while I got distracted by the sky being a beautiful shade of red. |
| Anonymous #916157 5 months ago |
IN THE GRIMDARKNESS OF THE INTERNET, THERE IS ONLY BUTTHURT! |
| Anonymous #916171 5 months ago |
THERE'S NO PEACE AMONGST THE TARDS, ONLY AN ETERNITY OF DRAMA AND PAIN, AND THE LAUGHTER OF ANON TROLLS. |
| fonypag #916535 5 months ago |
HOLY FUCK THIS THREAD IS HUGE |
| Anonymous #916946 5 months ago |
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| Fuzzy_Logic #916959 5 months ago |
LET'S ALL HOLD HAAAAAAANDS
HERE ON THE SUBWAAAAAAAAAAY |
| CKSM96 #917015 5 months ago |
Everyone in this thread:
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Make your arguments concise for fuck's sake |
| Anonymous #919003 5 months ago |
>#916114
Blond people wanted all the Jews and blacks dead so nobody gives a fuck about them. |
| Takashi_0 #919140 5 months ago |
>>118911 |
| Anonymous #920503 5 months ago |
She's called Derpy because we named her derpy, as in to derp. She was named on a forum where people reference this kind of humour.
I don't know why you think she is disabled or mentally crippled. Her only disability is eye-crossing which is probably ablest but minimally. She's clumsy, unlucky, not smart and endlessly optimistic. This is a character we've seen before, many times over. See: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheFool Also what of Snails? Does no one care about how thick he is? |
| Anonymous #926008 5 months ago |
@CKSM96 ha ha yeah okay
longest post i can find here is under 400 words, and it's "the longest" by quite a margin if that's your idea of a wall of text then you might as well have posted "I am giant baby can't read" |
| Anonymous #926013 5 months ago |
i mean damn you can't even use the excuse that you just wanted to show off your cutting edge laugh riot image macro because someone already used it right at the beginning |
| Anonymous #926017 5 months ago |
do you want to see an actual wall of text
'cause i can give you one we will hold a seance to conjure the spirits of every mason who worked on the great wall of china, and they will gaze upon yon text and say fuck me that is a giant-ass wall or whatever the chinese for that is |
| Anonymous #926045 5 months ago |
wait, isn't there usually a character limit on these things
shit, forget i said anything, SHIT, ABORT MISSION, SHIT |
| Anonymous #926046 5 months ago |
FUCK |
| pyro #962464 5 months ago |
We have arrived, and it is now that we perform our charge. In fealty of the God-Empress (our undying Lady) and by the Grace of Canterlot, I declare Exterminatus upon this thread. I hereby sign the death warrant of an entire thread and consign a million posts to oblivion. May Equestrian Justice account in all balance. The Empress Protects. |
| Niggoslav_Krawczyk #975133 5 months ago |
http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/BitingBeaver
see this? imagine it is this all over again. Lordy knows their reasoning skills sure are similar. oldfag EDers this is your plan of assault. Hammer them in the fucking shins until they quit the net forever. EXTERMINATUS!!!!! |
| Anonymous #1068339 4 months ago |
So it is more this persons fault then Yamino?
Ah well, they are both part of the reason Derpy got axed. |
| Anonymous #1068343 4 months ago |
FOSTA, your intolerance will be remembered along with Yamino's. |
| Sindaras #1388520 2 months ago |
The Fuck happened here? |