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Anonymous
#823771
6 months ago
Daww
WatermelonRat
#823778
6 months ago
Out of all of John Joseco's work, I think this is my favorite.
HeinousActsZX
#823806
6 months ago
There's just something so beautiful about pregnant women.
I can't explain it, but I think it has to do with the wonder of giving birth and creating a new life.
LucasGAN
#823819
6 months ago
there is nothing beautiful about pregnancy. A fetus is like a tumor, a cancer, a parasite, growing inside a woman's body and absorbing nutrients from the food she eats
Anonymous
#823830
6 months ago
@LucasGAN
And that's what we all were before we were born! :D
Anonymous
#823833
6 months ago
^ Wow, your life must be really miserable to be THIS cynical.
Anonymous
#823837
6 months ago
^ Ninja'd
HotFuzz
#823840
6 months ago
@LucasGAN: Many women learn to embrace this parasite. They name it, dress it up in tiny clothes, arrange playdates with other parasites...
Anonymous
#823841
6 months ago
Ew, humans.
Anonymous
#823842
6 months ago
I don't care what Lucas says, this is beautiful.
SenatorSufficient
#823845
6 months ago
I agree with 842.
LucasGAN
#823873
6 months ago
LOL I actually joke with my mom about being a parasite
Anonymous
#823916
6 months ago
^
Thats a terrible joke, jerk.
Anonymous
#823919
6 months ago
Parasites provide nothing to their hosts. Your kid provides, oh, I don't know, the genetic continuity that the rest of your body is aimed at.

People who refer to fetuses as parasites disturb me. There's something bizarre about thinking of your own child so denigratingly.
dudemang
#823976
6 months ago
I do have to wonder what's "beautiful" about creating a new life. It's not like we're the only animal that does it. Standard reproduction's just a thing. What's so amazing or beautiful about anything if a human can do it? :/

Any anti-natalist sentiments that come from me that aren't thick with misanthropy usually stem from the fact that the person in question being born never asked for life. Yet they're conscripted into an existence and have so much burden placed onto them by those who exist in parallel and prior to themselves.

It almost seems like a violation of the right to live or die when it's not in the as-of-yet-undeveloped hands of the person being born. It seems ridiculous, but there's also the argument about circumcision (a topic that I have no actual position on and I'm ONLY using as an approximating example) where it's in violation of the right of the circumcised to be circumcised at birth. If one can't make that kind of decision on behalf of a newborn, what makes giving them a life in the first place an action that's immune to scrutiny?

Willfully inflicting pain on a human being is "a bad thing", correct? As is allowing any circumstance to exist in which such a possibility is realized (i.e., if you didn't do anything to prevent someone from suffering and you did so knowingly, you're just as guilty as directly hurting them in the first place). Being born and existing is the natural prelude to any and all suffering. There's an argument in some form about God being at fault for our suffering since he's our creator - well, why single out God? Humans, in a consensual circumstance (I realize this is merely a subset), would be at just as much fault for propagating the human race and therefore bringing those in existence to inevitably suffer. If you've brought a human into the world, you're, in some part, responsible for any and all pain they endure.

There's also the idea that a human's good experiences outweigh the bad. I don't buy that for a minute. What guarantee is there that a human will even have good experiences in the first place? For some people, the capacity for a good life is taken from them, like those who get "locked-in" syndrome or have a disease in which they're not expected to live to adulthood (so much for living a full life). And even given that, suffering for a human is invariable. People are going to suffer, no matter what. And moral philosophies have rendered that completely unconscionable - you're evil, no question, if you cause people to suffer. Right?

There's no real clear-cut, objective answer in these matters. Being right or wrong has never stopped humans from doing either, and all the moralizing in the world all depends on if you can persuade a human, assuming they'll put themselves in a position to be persuaded in the first place. My sentiments are company to completely opposite feelings amongst the rest of humanity. I, personally, can't think of why you would want to subject a human to the horror of existence, but others think the terror of non-being just as bad.

In the end, it's pointless. All so very pointless.

</nihilistic diatribe>

...All that said, I'm glad we have Twilight Sparkle.
dudemang
#823992
6 months ago
Anonymous said:
Parasites provide nothing to their hosts. Your kid provides, oh, I don't know, the genetic continuity that the rest of your body is aimed at.

How do you know if that's a good thing?
Anonymous
#824069
6 months ago
@Dudemang; You're comment somehow is at once tl;dr and uselessly short. You seem to write around the point you're trying to make and still expect us to understand it. It is extremely unclear what you're even arguing about, or how you came up with it. Basically, I'm asking you to make some goddamned sense when you try to play philosopher.
HotFuzz
#824089
6 months ago
Anonymous
#824100
6 months ago
I agree with anon069, Dudemang is a insufferable, pretentious imbecile who probably skimmed through one of Nietzsche's books and thinks himself in possession of some divine truth. If the little bastard believed in what he says for even one second he would have committed suicide instead of smearing his shit in the comment box.
Anonymous
#824116
6 months ago
And livestreamed it, so the rest of us may derive pleasure from his cessation of suffering.

When it comes to abortion, I follow Captain Falcon's philosophy.
mindcannon
#824138
6 months ago
@116
Falcon punch?
Anonymous
#824148
6 months ago
There is beauty in art, and every sentient being can create some abstract work of emotion, that does not diminish the works beauty. Pregnancy is beautiful because of the end result, a pure and innocent being who you can raise, can nurture, can love and be loved by. You create a person, and that person creates a bigger and more connected family. Life has suffering, but with pain comes a deeper appreciation of the pleasures life brings. Some are born bad or raised wrong, but if that was the rule we would have murdured each other back in ancient times. We live to bring more life into the world. The cycle goes on until it comes time to end, and at the end of time we will all find the second answer to the meaning of life.
mindcannon
#824177
6 months ago
@Dudemang
[img]You have earned the Emo Badge
http://images.wikia.com/mspaintadventures/images/b/b5/Blood.png[/img]
Now kill yourself
mindcannon
#824180
6 months ago
mindcannon
#824186
6 months ago
hey. -114.
PonyRIG
#824199
6 months ago
too long, didn't read
sigh
#824247
6 months ago
Mindcannon why did you post the Hero of Blood's sign?
HeinousActsZX
#824345
6 months ago
Oddly enough, reading these comments doesn't ruin the picture for me.
It makes me love it even more.
mindcannon
#824531
6 months ago
@sigh
Cause when i think emo ( which is what i called Dudemang) , i think of the Hero of blood symbol.
dudemang
#824787
6 months ago
I don't think what I've posted is the "truth". :/ I've only posted why I pretty much have doubts.

Anonymous said:
I agree with anon069, Dudemang is a insufferable, pretentious imbecile who probably skimmed through one of Nietzsche's books and thinks himself in possession of some divine truth. If the little bastard believed in what he says for even one second he would have committed suicide instead of smearing his shit in the comment box.

Ya got me. I don't believe it (thought I'm not sure doing so would entail or necessitate suicide). And, in fact, the rhetoric I've posted is probably closer to Schopenhauer than Nietzsche.

I'm completely, absolutely value-agnostic about everything.

I didn't post what I did under the pretense that I was right. I did so hoping I was wrong and people would give me an alternative

.

Anonymous said:
There is beauty in art, and every sentient being can create some abstract work of emotion, that does not diminish the works beauty. Pregnancy is beautiful because of the end result, a pure and innocent being who you can raise, can nurture, can love and be loved by. You create a person, and that person creates a bigger and more connected family. Life has suffering, but with pain comes a deeper appreciation of the pleasures life brings. Some are born bad or raised wrong, but if that was the rule we would have murdured each other back in ancient times. We live to bring more life into the world. The cycle goes on until it comes time to end, and at the end of time we will all find the second answer to the meaning of life.

HeinousActsZX said:
Oddly enough, reading these comments doesn't ruin the picture for me.
It makes me love it even more.

Comments like these are what I was looking for. It doesn't answer my question completely, but they give me something to work off of in face of the existential doubts I've faced.

Why not ask plainly? Because most of you would just give facetious answers. So, by posing rhetoric under the guise of attacking the notion of life being good and sacred (or whatever), many of you would then be perhaps somewhat obligated (if by nothing else than personal values and worldviews) to give a half-way serious response.

That's probably dishonest, and I'm sorry. I guess I just really want answers.
Anonymous
#824934
6 months ago
@Dudemang:
TL:DR
Holy fuck; It's a goddamn picture. And you're no nietzsche
dudemang
#825021
6 months ago
No, I'm not. I hope not to be a Nietzsche.
Vree
#825993
6 months ago
Aren't you overstating the importance of suffering a bit? I keep thinking "what a pussy, can't do with a little pain". Of course wilfully not causing more problem for others than neccessary has to be a princible, because it's hirribly unproductive, but that doesn't mean that you can call quits just because you have to bear a little discomfort. That kind of glorification of the idea of comfort is what makes a person or society grow lazy and ungrateful.
Vree
#825997
6 months ago
(I wanted to say "...is a trait of decadent western societies", but there's no need to get political.)
mindcannon
#826053
6 months ago
@Dudemang
Im sorry but you sound like a huge emo.
Xuncu
#826389
6 months ago
Ah, the "Why live/try to enjoy life/ect?" question.

Best answers I've thought up of:
Optimist: "Life is worth living."
Pessimist: "Because we'll die one day."
Realist: "That's the function of life; To be. Shakespear asks such silly questions."
Snarky Realist: "You got something better to do?"
Xuncu
#826404
6 months ago
(and cue Dude's kneejerk reaction to me *faic.jpg*)
dudemang
#827820
6 months ago
^ You're mad and those platitudes are silly. Try harder, broski. :)

But for what it's worth, everyone, I'm sorry.
Anonymous
#833560
6 months ago
WHY IS EVERYPONY CRYING? JUST BE HAPPY FOR TWI'S MOMMA!
Posey
#876735
6 months ago
..Why is this comment section about discussing life? Just enjoy the cute pic.
Anonymous
#887965
6 months ago
And the granddaughter shall be named Juniper and she shall be the next tershwanzeh.
Peanutbutter
#1021545
5 months ago
LucasGAN
hi you must be new to life
Anonymous
#1098784
4 months ago
A FUCKING VAGINA FETUS
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