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| Anonymous #667952 8 months ago |
And just who are you anyway? We don't need to do jack shit |
| Anonymous #667953 8 months ago |
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| Anonymous #667960 8 months ago |
We shouldn't take toy information seriously. Berry Shine looks like Berry Punch, but since one is a unicorn, as such, we don't add that tag to her.
If we don't apply all toy names to each respective background pony, we shouldn't be doing it at all. None of this 'being selective' crap. |
| Anonymous #667966 8 months ago |
You know what? I say we remove this Flower Wishes bullshit from all the Daisy pics because show canon > toy canon. |
| Dachimotsu #667975 8 months ago |
I'm pretty sure Jayson Thiessen and Nayuki both told us recently that we can completely ignore the toy names. I'm honestly disappointed that arguments concerning the toys are even still going on. |
| Anonymous #667976 8 months ago |
@#667960: Not all of the toy ponies who look like background ponies look enough like them to be considered the same pony, but some of them do, and Flower Wishes/Daisy is one of those. |
| Tubifex #667988 8 months ago |
Compromise: Her full name is Daisy Flower Wishes |
| Shjips #667990 8 months ago |
DACHIMOTSU! I need source on that! |
| Dachimotsu #668003 8 months ago |
@Shjips:
>>80683 >>80923 |
| Anonymous #668011 8 months ago |
Sure, whatever you say OP. Though, this issue has already been discussed.
>>39421 |
| Anonymous #668014 8 months ago |
@7976
But that's what I'm saying. If we do it for some toys, we should do it for ALL OF THEM. It's not like Hasbro is gonna make a hornless Berry Shine. Why are we being selective about the names. It's all or nothing. |
| Icehawk #668028 8 months ago |
^We are selective about names because Toy canon is not the same as show canon, they are two independent universes and only share certain details. If the name of a character is mentioned verbally in the show and it is different from the Toy even if they look identical, you should tag with the show name only for all images that are NOT of the toy. |
| Anonymous #668058 8 months ago |
The only difference between the names of Daisy/Flower Wishes and Rose/Roseluck is that Rose/Roseluck's show name is a shortened version of her toy name. You guys seem to be fine with having the Rose/Roseluck images tagged with "rose" and "roseluck" so Daisy/Flower Wishes should be treated the same way. |
| Icehawk #668061 8 months ago |
^If it were up to me I would remove Roseluck from the images too. |
| Anonymous #668076 8 months ago |
^No, not everyone is fine with the Rose/Roseluck crap
I'd change it if I could, but alot of stupid people only know of her as 'Roseluck' now. Some even upload Rose art as just Roseluck minus Rose. We're not having that happen with Daisy. |
| Anonymous #668088 8 months ago |
Icehawk, let me clarify you're standpoint because I'm a little confused. Are you or are you not saying the pictures of Daisy from the show, SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be tagged with Flower_Wishes? |
| nemryn #668099 8 months ago |
My policy: Toy canon and show canon are separate; Daisy and Flower Wishes are different characters. If artist comments or the picture itself make it clear that a specific version of the character is being used, only use that name; otherwise, use both names. |
| Anonymous #668100 8 months ago |
@#668076: See, that's the thing. Some people prefer the show name, while others prefer the toy name. That's why we should tag with both names, so that searching for/filtering out either name finds/blocks the same images. |
| Anonymous #668117 8 months ago |
No one calls Daisy, 'Flower Wishes' |
| TinTwit #668119 8 months ago |
Gee, sorry for being "stupid" for not knowing there were actually two different names for her, 668076. :/ Ignorance is not stupidity. (Though I actually prefer the name "Roseluck"...it's got a more elegant flair to it that I feel befits the character. It's much the same feeling as I have toward the name "Lyra Heartstrings".)
That said, I agree that show canon and toy canon are two separate things. It's one big reason why the wiki is garbage. |
| Anonymous #668162 8 months ago |
Sorry for the anon's bluntness, Tin. But, they do say Daisy's name in the show. In the episode Bridle Gossip. (FYI personally I don't like the name Roseluck because it doesn't flow when I name her with the other flower girls. "Daisy, Lily, and Roseluck" just doesn't work for me")
Considering how much the fandom latches onto background characters, I'm surprised that some people only know of her as 'Roseluck'. Especially since both she and Daisy had their names stated in-show. |
| Icehawk #668166 8 months ago |
@668088
I am saying the pictures of Daisy should NOT EVER be tagged with "Flower Wishes" since that is just a toy name and the TV show has over ridden it. Toy canon is not show canon. Same goes for Rose, "Roseluck" is a TOY name, and hence should NOT be used on any images unless it is on an actual picture of the TOY. |
| Anonymous #668178 8 months ago |
^Icehawk, I love you for that.
BRB, removing Flower_Wishes from non-toy images. (after dinner, that is) |
| Tubifex #668233 8 months ago |
I don't understand this debate. The whole point of the tags is for the sake of the people. What's wrong with a character having two names? Why can't images have both tags? Is it better for images to have less tags? Is this a matter of your personal fanon or something?
Wouldn't it be better to tag both those names so people using either name but intending to search for the same character come up with the same results? |
| nemryn #668318 8 months ago |
Icehawk, 178: I don't disagree with you, but how do we know that, say, the picture here is a drawing of Daisy and not of Flower Wishes? |
| TinTwit #668327 8 months ago |
#668162
I might have missed that :/ I remember hearing Daisy's name in Bridle Gossip, but not Rose's. Oh well; if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. xD |
| Anonymous #668339 8 months ago |
@Tuby
but they're not the same character |
| Anonymous #668348 8 months ago |
Show canon overrides toy info. Deal with it. Besides, Flower Wishes is purple. |
| Tubifex #668410 8 months ago |
#668339
Oh, so toy Rarity and show Rarity are two different characters too right? This isn't about which name is right, WHY CAN'T YOU JUST TAG THEM BOTH? What? Does it cause you physical pain to allow this slight against your personal canon to exist? So much so that it overrides the convenience of everyone else? I would love nothing more than to smite Ditzy_Doo from every Derpy image since it is completely wrong, but I don't because it is for the benefit of everyone if characters are tagged with every name they are known by so I don't have to search many different tags just to ALL the pics of one character. |
| TinTwit #668431 8 months ago |
Wait a second, why is it "completely wrong"? We have a name, and we have a ditsy pony we call Derpy. We were never ever shown which pony was Ditzy Doo. |
| TinTwit #668441 8 months ago |
I agree though...best to have the tags available for everyone. Tags are for the convenience of the user, after all. |
| Tubifex #668469 8 months ago |
>>80683
Thiessen and the crew all use Derpy as her official name, so that's canon enough to me. But by all means, feel free to use whichever name you want (since technically it hasn't been set in stone by being included in the show), just tag it so I can find all the Derpy pics no matter which name I search is all I'm sayin'. |
| Ferrotter #668540 8 months ago |
Derpy is her house name. She probably started out as Incidental Pegasus 3 or something like that. And Faust said there was a possibility (POSSIBILITY!) that she would be the one identified as Ditzy Doo later in the series. So if that does happen, then her canon name will be Ditzy Doo. It's pretty much a given that if she ever does get a canonical name in the show, it can't possibly be Derpy Hooves. That name would be considered offensive to many advocates for the menally retarded, unless they were familiar with the show and its fandom. They are not uniformly familiar with the show and its fandom.
I don't find Derpy offensive, I think it's a cute name, I'm familiar with the show and its fandom, and I'm aware she's the most widely beloved background pony. But unfortunately, I don't rule the world. |
| Anonymous #668573 8 months ago |
...This all stemmed because one of the most popular background ponies got a different name from Hasbro? |
| Tubifex #668585 8 months ago |
That's another thing that's always bugged me, how is the WORD "derp" synonymous with mental retardation?
It was a term originating from Trey Parker and Matt Stone and has since become internet slang. For one, it doesn't inherently mean mental handicap, it is usually used in the context of having done something silly or stupid unintentionally (synonymous with "screwed up" as in "you screwed up") (for the case of Derpy, it would imply she is merely very clumsy, which is a character stereotype very common in children's media). For another thing, it hardly is a term commonly used outside the internet, and I've never heard it applied to anyone with a mental handicap in any use. So I don't see anyone being offended by it unless they're really, really trying very hard to be offended by everything. Then again, I suppose it's better to be cautious than to be boycotted. Personally, I've been taking "Derpy" as canon since Lauren Faust herself did those sketches for charity, and explicitly labeled "Derpy" as such. |
| Tubifex #668609 8 months ago |
#668573
Well, this whole argument apparently stems from some very selfish person/s that think that their personal preference of what this pony's true name is overrides the simple, logical and common sense notion that ponies should be tagged with ALL the names they are known by FOR THE SAKE AND CONVENIENCE OF OTHER USERS. YES I MAD, I VERY MAD |
| Icehawk #668736 8 months ago |
@Tubifex 668609
You are also very wrong as that is not "logical common sense" at all. By tagging with both names on characters that already have a name provided in the show, you are only fostering further confusion and the incorrect notion that the toys and the show are equal when it is clear that they are not. People need to learn to differentiate the two. @nemryn 668318 If it is not a photograph of a toy or a scan of a Hasbro toy info card or the artist fails to explicitly clarify a name, than it should be tagged using the name provided in the show which in the vast majority of cases should be perfectly clear. |
| nemryn #668832 8 months ago |
Really, I don't even see why this needs to be such a huge shitstorm in the first place. The Transformers fans already have this figured out! Why can't we just do what they do? |
| Tubifex #668984 8 months ago |
#668736
So... you can't accept that one character can have different names from different sources, and want to enforce that view to the detriment of others? Okay, so an artist draws a picture of Daisy as she appears on the show, but she only knows her name from the toy. So, despite the intentionally depicted character being Daisy (from the show), she credits the depicted character as Flower Wishes (from the toy). What then? Then, someone wants to find pictures of that character in toy form so they search "Daisy". By your rules, that person will not find any pictures tagged "Flower Wishes", even though that's what they're looking for. This isn't the wiki. Ponibooru is a repository for pony images and the tags are there for people to find the images they want, and it sure is frustrating to not be able to find the picture you want because someone is messing with the tags. Removing all the Flower_Wishes tags from all the pics of Daisy from the show makes about as much sense as removing Ditzy_Doo from all pictures of Derpy from the show and removing Derpy_Hooves from all fan-based depictions of her (for aforementioned reasons), or removing Lyra AND Heartstrings from all show depictions of Lyra and replacing it with Incidental_Unicorn_#2, or removing all instances of Vinyl_Scratch and only tagging DJ-P0N3. Ponibooru tags should be inclusive so they are easy to use for everyone, not exclusive to fit someone's personal canon rules. |
| Icehawk #669030 8 months ago |
^It's not to their detriment at all, they can and would learn the proper name from others and deal with it. Accepted fanon names for the other unnamed BG ponies also trump toy names given the fact that they are separate universes as previously stated.
Your scenario is also false, I specifically stated that any photos or official Hasbro graphics OF THE TOYS can and should be tagged with the Toy name, hence people looking for the TOY form WILL find what they want. |
| Anonymous #669154 8 months ago |
Chill out Icehawk. You're gonna give yourself an aneurysm at this rate. |
| Tubifex #669167 8 months ago |
#669030
No they wont, because by your rules they'll only know the name "Daisy". They know that pony, they know the name of the pony is Daisy, they want to find the toy of that pony but they can't because the toy of that pony is only tagged Flower_Wishes, and vice versa. Don't try and argue they're not meant to be the same, that's a FIBRIR argument that won't go anywhere. And who are YOU to determine what is the "proper name"? So you demand that everyone conform to your ideals of what is correct? You think the fanon is something set in stone, never changing? If you're so sure that people aren't going to get confused and go so far as to assume people will "learn the proper name from others and deal with it", then here's my own counter-assumption. Those who use the wrong name will see the other tag, and can and will learn that her show name is Daisy and that her other name came from the toy. They are now just as educated, but without the inconvenience of not finding the images they want. Everyone wins. I'm not gonna lie, you really sound like someone who is incredibly butthurt over the toy names. I'm sorry, but fanon holds less weight than the toyline (after all, Hasbro own the franchise, it's officially licenced merchandise). Despite being named once, Daisy is still just a BG pony, and despite what you believe "fanon acceptance" is not a unanimous thing. Daisy is named in the show, but that doesn't completely discredit the name given to her in the toy (especially since neither name belongs to any other entity in the series, and that each name has only been used once in any given media). You can intepret and deny however you want, that's perfectly fine, but don't mess with the tags just because that's how you feel, when all it will do is make searching for things harder. Yes, Daisy is technically the most correct name. Ponibooru isn't primarily here to discipline you into the HOLY DOCTRINE OF PONY FANDOM CONDUCT, it is here so you can get pictures. Easily, preferrably. |
| Globydorrikles #669460 8 months ago |
Why don't you people find something useful to do, like helping to clear up all the 'tagme's instead of turning the tags into your personal playgrounds? |
| Anonymous #669465 8 months ago |
Say, Icehawk?
You wanna head on back to the wiki yet? |
| Anonymous #670081 8 months ago |
ASSUMPTIONS, ASSUMPTIONS EVERYWHERE |
| Anonymous #670087 8 months ago |
@Tuby
>Daisy is named in the show, but that doesn't completely discredit the name given to her in the toy Uh, it believe it does. |
| Tubifex #671049 8 months ago |
#670087
Not necessarily. To use an outside of ponies (but still Hasbro) example, Brawl was named "Devastator" in the first Transformers movie, even though that's completely wrong and he's Brawl in everything else (of course the reason for the error is "Michael Bay" but the principle is there). But that's not the point. I too agree that Daisy is her correct name, but Flower Wishes is a name given from a secondary official source and I don't see why you can't just tag all images of her both for the sake of people finding ALL images of her. The assumption that this will foster confusion is just as wild as the assumption that it will lead to people understanding that her correct name is Daisy, but without the frustration of not finding the pictures you're looking for. Y'know, things can be referred to using two different names based on preferance. This is not an obscure or radical notion, this happens in a lot of things. #670081 I kno rite? |
| Anonymous #746984 7 months ago |
Ooh, internet fight! |